The Gullibility of Evolutionists

Originally posted by Nohup
Nowhere near even decent theories. But I will admit that as much as I like the way evolution explains the growth and change of species, at the moment, there's no decent evolutionary mechanism or theory that even comes close to explaining how life showed up out of clumps of chemicals. Personally, I don't think any kind of "God" is necessary.

I do agree with the idea that there is likely no need to posit true 'magic' to explain abiogenesis. I'm not too hot on how you suggest that stuff will 'randomly' come together. As you mention, there is predictability in how the less complex building blocks form, and I think we'll find it is likely just as predictable that more complex biochemical systems form. It may well be more random that the conditions and required blocks were present.

It's just getting a good understanding of the mechanisms involved. Until then, we just keep trying to sneak a good peek up mother nature's petticoat. And as BK points out, there are good ideas knocking about.

I like how you pointed out the clay relationship, BK. I suppose seeing the silver lining is a good thing, heh.

I shouldn't even post to this, but it's like a reality show. Or rather a Mutt and Jeff puppet show. Better yet, watching a chimp trying to swallow a live grenade. You know something bad is going to happen, but you have to see. Who cares! Live life. Be constructive for your social circle, really it's all we have. Fight for your rights, do not impose your beliefs upon another, live in balance.

Originally posted by riley

 

Religious activists tried to get creationism into schools by calling it "ID".. trying to get around people's rights to freedom of religion by trying to call it science. Of course it's political. Maybe you should reread the guidelines and lay off insulting entire groups of people.

So evolution is a religion then?

Originally posted by Bigwhammy
So evolution is a religion then?

I don't think that's what riley said. But ID is religious philosophy masquerading as a scientific theory.

Originally posted by Bigwhammy

Originally posted by riley

 

Religious activists tried to get creationism into schools by calling it "ID".. trying to get around people's rights to freedom of religion by trying to call it science. Of course it's political. Maybe you should reread the guidelines and lay off insulting entire groups of people.

So evolution is a religion then?

What?

No. It is a science. ID [creationism] was a way to introduce the concept of god into public schools by putting it into science class.

Freedom from religion.

[cant believe I actually had to explain that one.. ]

[edit on 3-3-2008 by riley]

Umm to qoute Stephen Colbert while he was talking to Mike Huckabee (a known creationist), Huckabee says, "I don't believe in evolution because it lacks major pieces to its whole puzzle", Colbert replies, "O what about this right here(as he sticks out his thumb)". The whole thing with there even being a debate with this sort of question is laughable, Evolution has hundreds of facts backing reasons why we're related to Chimps, Religion has and has always only had "faith" and a book of interesting myths . I just don't understand why people can't get a hold on that, I agree that more then likely there is a higher power, but why do humans always have to put themselves on some kind of pedistal like we're to good to come from such an animal. One of the greatest faults of man is to think he is more important then the cosmos around him, which in scientific terms man is like a speck of sand in an infinite ocean. We are not important enough to have been created by a higher being, at the base of all creation microbes and bacteria they are the "beings" created first so why don't you all blindly prase them? People are always trying to feel like they are better then something or someone else, sorry to say but few people are great and most people are followers.

Originally posted by riley

No. It is a science. ID [creationism] was a way to introduce the concept of god into public schools by putting it into science class.

Aye, lets give ID a wedgie again...

The wedge strategy is a political and social action plan authored by the Discovery Institute, the hub of the intelligent design movement. The strategy was put forth in a Discovery Institute manifesto known as the Wedge Document,[1] which describes a broad social, political, and academic agenda whose ultimate goal is to "defeat [scientific] materialism" represented by evolution, "reverse the stifling materialist world view and replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions"[2] and to "affirm the reality of God."[3] Its goal is to "renew" American culture by shaping public policy to reflect conservative Christian, namely evangelical Protestant, values.[4]

en.wikipedia.org...

You'd have to be gullible to think this was anything to do with science.


[edit on 3-3-2008 by melatonin]

Has there ever been a person that isnt religious believe in creationism. Does creationism have a place outside of the church. I dont think the church has ever been so mainstreem. I never heard of creationism untill bush was in office. This reminds me of the couple times I went to church as a kid and couldnt figure out why the guy speaking said god had told him something or jesus told him something or gave him a sign. What is creationism any way is it the theory that earth was made by in a day or made by some one/ some thing.

Originally posted by riley

Originally posted by Bigwhammy

Originally posted by riley

 

Religious activists tried to get creationism into schools by calling it "ID".. trying to get around people's rights to freedom of religion by trying to call it science. Of course it's political. Maybe you should reread the guidelines and lay off insulting entire groups of people.

So evolution is a religion then?

What?

No. It is a science. ID [creationism] was a way to introduce the concept of god into public schools by putting it into science class.

Freedom from religion.

[cant believe I actually had to explain that one..

]

[edit on 3-3-2008 by riley]

Believe it...
you didn't really explain it.

In the original statement you said,

trying to get around people's rights to freedom of religion

So if ID it violates your freedom of religion. Your religion must me evolution.



edit-->I notice you went back and tried to edit it out
but you forgot the original

[edit on 3/3/2008 by Bigwhammy]

reply to post by melatonin


Really? That's what you believe; there's no science there? Where do you search for your science? I'm hoping it's not wikipedia.

Originally posted by AshleyD
Sorry I've been away all afternoon. Will reply to this one first:

Ashley, Grrrrrr After All I have tried to tell you!


ha ha Ashley let me explain something to you,, You see,, all those threads we have seen attacking Christianity, we got ticked off about. and throughout history,, you start dissin someone’s religion, people start talking about Jihad and get angry and all that.

Now, having said that if you were to, oh say,, make a thread about

"The Gullibility of Life Insurance” or "Of Chemistry"

I am certain you wouldn't have anyone crying, BUT YOU MADE THIS THREAD ABOUT EVOLUTION AND THAT IS RELIGION HIDING QUITE STEALTHY BEHIND,,,,

Pssssst,,,


C'mere,,


Shhhhh atheism

Get it? Now since the thread title can't be insulting anyone’s intelligence unless Of course they have some,,, oh I don’t know some sacred damn cow to protect, the only people I see get angry at this well named thread are,

Psssssst


C'mere

atheist’s


So Just tell THEM, what They tell US when we have got ticked off about that crap Dave came in here doing then fox had to point it out. Well she fingered me but, not her buddy Dave. I understand that’s the way sorority's stick together.

Just tell them that it isn't "them" or "THEY" who are gullible it is the belief in it, that is. See how that works?

You see,, Atheism by and large is Evolution and they see themselves as scientists JG You see evolution is THEIR BABY! and God haters will naturally say things like "I think evolution is better then dumb creations ism. " Think about it this way,,while they think we are talking to flying men in the sky calling us dumb usng angst innuendo and typical Atheist Vitriolic comments the same ones they all say,, Think about this,,


THEY DON'T EVEN SEE GOD!!!


( you know what I NT I am talking about?)

Don't change the title,,

it doesn't offend me.

- Con


[edit on 3-3-2008 by Conspiriology]

Originally posted by Beachcoma

Originally posted by Bigwhammy
So evolution is a religion then?

I don't think that's what riley said. But ID is religious philosophy masquerading as a scientific theory.

Hey where ya think they got the idea from??


Atheists use evolution to infuse humanism and Atheism into schools so If Atheism can het there religion in schools why not us?

same things and they sure proved it today because If i didn't know better Id say people got a little over the top about a dumb science,, it aint like we were crapin on your RELIGION WERE WE!?

Yes Evolution is Atheism dressed up like science and you got all these people defending a science as if they were all scientists!

NONE OF YA ARE! But it is your religious doctrine and THAT I understand

- Con

Hence the reason for the title of the thread!

[edit on 3-3-2008 by Conspiriology]

Originally posted by Bigwhammy

So if ID it violates your freedom of religion. Your religion must me evolution.

Science class is there is teach science.. not religion. ToE is a science which is why it gets taught in science classes.

[last time I'm explaining this..]

Originally posted by riley
You just called EVERYONE who accepts evololution gullable. Do you have no respect for other members and guidelines or are you deliberately out to pick fights?

You're right. Maybe I should refer to them as 'victims' if they are indeed being lied to if the covering up information unfavorable to evolution is indeed occurring. Or maybe they are gullible for believing the hoaxes and cases of mistaken identity offered at the beginning of this post for so long. Or turning a total blind eye to the information that could call aspects of their science into question. Or totally ignoring the opposing view.

Trying to get people to think that all 'evolutionists are gullable IS propoganda.

See, I'm not trying to get anyone to think anything. If I posted a photo of a UFO would I then have the right to tell anyone they must admit aliens exist? No. Use your own brain. And there have been some examples provided in this thread so I wouldn't say it is 'propaganda.'

The guy was found guilty of a number of crimes.. including tax evasion. Whats your point?

A stickie though? And if you don't get 'the point' then I'm not sure how much I can help you. Let's see, first of all, I would hardly say it is stickie worthy but that simply isn't my decision to make. Also, since he is sent to prison, it looks like 'propaganda' (your word- I could care less) that all of his research must be incorrect because anyone in prison (on tax evasion ) must be a total deviant. It's like an ad hominen against creationism by pointing the faults in one of their scientist's personal lives.

As you can see the forum is ABOUT the conspiracy against evolutionary science. Your posting biggoted statments about 'evolutionists' just makes you part of the conspiracy.

Hey, I'm into questioning things. But that alone sounds bigoted don't you think? That only evolution can be the victim while all those mean little creationists are out to get it. No, you won't see it that way. Again, I don't really care what ATS does in its forum title or description. They didn't ask me and I'm enjoying the free membership.

Religious activists tried to get creationism into schools by calling it "ID".. trying to get around people's rights to freedom of religion by trying to call it science. Of course it's political. Maybe you should reread the guidelines and lay off insulting entire groups of people.

Until I say something like 'only dem crazee democrats support dat evolution delusion' I would hardly say this thread has anything to do with politics in any solid sense.

reply to post by Beachcoma


Actually no, it's a scientific theory just as much as evolution is. So if you're going to call evolution a scientific theory, you've got to call creationism a theory also. And you can leave the religion out of it. Actually lately, there's more evidence of creationism than evolution.

Originally posted by idle_rocker
Really? That's what you believe; there's no science there? Where do you search for your science? I'm hoping it's not wikipedia.

I'm not too sure the wedge document is science, so I wouldn't expect there to be any there. Indeed, just like intelligent design creationism.

The wedge document was the 'manifesto' produced by a group of theologically motivated dudes to 'renew' culture. It involved the likes of Behe, Dembski etc - the supposed 'scientific' part of the wedge.

Number of scientific articles testing the ID hypothesis = 0
Number of articles published in the ID journal, PCID, since 2005 = 0
Number of ID-based school textbooks = at least 2
Number of popular books written by IDers = lots
Number of media announcements made the IDers = too many to mention
Number of films made by IDers = 1







[edit on 3-3-2008 by melatonin]

Oh I see we're back to atheist bashing again.. :shk:

There's already a thread persecuting atheists in the religion forum.. you don't spread your hate too thin..

reply to post by AshleyD



Ash

In the original statement riley said

trying to get around people's rights to freedom of religion

So I asked

So if ID it violates your freedom of religion. Your religion must me evolution.

she then went back and edited out the part about freedom of religion

reply to post by AshleyD


I retracted some of the statements that I had made concerning you and your posts yesterday.... but you have managed to get me riled up once again. This time I must commend you on being such a cunning manipulator. You're mindlessly aggressive, then you back off..... you close your ears to the naysayers, and then find some neutral position to get everyone listening again. Only to intellectually bash anyone who disagrees with you. I do believe that you are highly intelligent individual, but you are close minded and the only creativity that you possess is the innate ability to manipulate others. You're using people as pawns seemingly for your own amusement and I won't stand for it. As I said last night your thread is conflict for the sake of conflict and I'm almost wholly surprised that no mods have said anything about your behavior at this point.

I'm sure that you will respond to this with an ever so sublimely snide remark. FYI your subtly sardonic attitude is not lost on many of us. Your ego is almost as large as the amount of time that you have to waste posting on ATS when you could be out in the community actually doing something that could be construed as CHRISTIAN. I for one have yet to see you act even remotely like a Christian should. You're behavior is as deplorable and self-righteous as the pharisees that Jesus abhorred. In fact if Jesus were here right now, he would find that many of us, in deeds and actions are much more holy in nature than you and your incessantly superior attitude. You spend way to much time on what the Bible says instead of contemplating what it means. Love, kindness, modesty, and many facets of the religion that cannot be used to describe you. It's time for you, yourself to figure out what your religion is all about before you come in here bashing others belief systems. Stop thumping your Bible, open it up, and READ IT.

You have often pointed out other people's argumentative fallacies yet the title of your thread is in fact an argumentative fallacy. It implies that all who believe in evolution are gullible and less intelligent than those who believe in creationism. If at some point you have taken either a debate class or a class on critical and creative thinking you would realize that such as statement is classified as a broad and fallacious generalization.... and should not be used to prove or disprove anything.

What has this thread proved for you.... you were obviously out to prove something. That everyone that disagrees with you is ignorant, or that you are so insecure about your own beliefs that you felt in necessary to tear down someone else's in order for you to feel like God is more than just your imaginary friend.

"Turn to the Bible if you want because it is supposedly the divinely inspired word of God. Yet is strikes me as odd that Shakespeare, a mere mortal, was so much better in terms of basic writing skill."

Oswald T. Prat

If even in the least your intention was to sway any of us to your side, it would help to have a modicum of kindness, and maybe just a tad bit more of Jesus' teachings in your heart.

I for one wish you the best of luck if judgment day ever does come.

Originally posted by Conspiriology
We have the proof, YOU DONT.

I never claimed to have proof, and like I stated above I don't really believe in either. At least not to the point to get up in arms about it.

Originally posted by Conspiriology
The proof is there but NO AMOUNT OF PROOF is going to convince a God hater / denier...

I hope you were not inferring that I am a "god" hater/denier. I am bordering on Atheist/Agnostic. Of course these are my beliefs, and I am not one to shove them onto others. But so say I deny god(s) and or hate them, well that is a bit too far in my opinion. I would say that I am "luke warm" when it comes to the idea of a god(s).

All well, judge me gullible. We all know it is within the doctrine to allow judging of others And you wonder why "we" have a hard time believing in a religion that can't even follow its own rules.

Evolution/Creation I can't say I really care about this subject. Same goes for god(s)/no god(s). If there is a god(s) ehh, if there isn't ehh. Least I now know that I am gullible Thank you for the wonderful judgmental assessment of my personality. I will be sure to add it to my future resumes.