Deadly Toxin found in Las Vegas Extended Stay Hotel

Seems to me that this is not getting nearly enough MSM coverage to be some typical booga booga story. Lets hope this ‘stays in Vegas’.

Guns, 'anarchist book' found with ricin

It seems terrorism was connected?

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Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
One is in a semi-residential area and I don't see anything that looks like a water treatment plant anywhere near it,

Regarding water treatment works I have a working background in the water industry and with a little basic knowledge there are many points where a toxin can be introduced very easily and effectively - and no there is no way in hell I'm gonna outline any method so your gonna have to take my word for it!

And actually getting into treatment plants in the first place could be troublesome, they may not have first rate security all the time but it's usually pretty hot - and most of the guys that work around them aint exactly shrinking violets! Also the containment may get picked up by the testing (no idea if Ricin is routinely tested for tho) Much more likely the unsecured mains side would be a target, more scope for targeting specific area also.

Collectively my husband and I have been in the hotel industry for 14 years now, and I can tell you they knew within moments exactly who has been in that room, when they came, when they left, there would be a record (required to keep for 10 yrs in my state) that is easily attainable. Al quaida has permission to kill 1 million Americans, in imagining how they might accomplish such a task, ricin would be a feasable weapon. My father was in the military for 33 years, he saw ww2 and veitnam, korean conflict and he always said that he believed the worst damage that we could ever sustain is when 'they' (enemy) build their army right here in the United States, and are ready to kill. He never heard of Al quaida, he has been gone for more than 20 years, but this is my first thought on the ricin. Also, all of the symptoms of exposure happen to match the symptoms of the 'new strain of flu' that is going around, it is debilitating, and begins with unbelievable difficulty breathing.

Well, the guy wasn't paying his rent. Maybe the hotel manager just wanted him out before the mandatory 30 day notice period?

FOX News has an update, along with a video:

www.foxnews.com...

A dead dog in the room, castor beans in the room, an anarchist's handbook tabbed to a page describing a ricin recipe, weapons in the room.

Police are not saying much, other than it might be some sort of murder plot.

Just give it awhile and they will find the guys passport, a map, orders from Vladimir or Al Qaeda, airplane tickets to different locations, cell phone calls to Al Ciada, Osama,..that's going to be their story and they're going to stick to it.

All he had to do was point a gun to his head if he wanted to die himself.

Its terrorism, alright.

Originally posted by jsobecky

A dead dog in the room, castor beans in the room, an anarchist's handbook tabbed to a page describing a ricin recipe, weapons in the room.

Police are not saying much,

this sound like an echo from th 1960s...

when the present day neo-cons were the new office-boys and interns
in the neo-nazi Nixon administration,
and the Revolutionaries , like the Weathermen, SDS, etc were hatching plots... which included zealot-anarchist handbooks to cook up crud like Ricin and Anthrax as chemical weapons against the 'establishment'.


It could be either an unfufilled dream/drama he's trying to carry forward
after a dormant 40 years, or, he has a more personnal target and the ricin
poison was a way to home manufacture the lethal substance undetected from forensic detective work...

bet the extended stay boarder is a dude in his late 50s or early 60s
with an unattained goal & he went down memory lane to resurrect his
rebellion/revolutionary days... in ultimately trying to getaway with murder,
rather than a terrorist attack

reply to post by St Udio


...or could be an attempt to cook up poison for the black market gone wrong!

well, i know many of you dont believe in al queda, but for what its worth...their training manual (the original not the one released on the net) has step by step how to make ricin.

just an FYI

now, as to the water supply...with all the steps water has to go through to be "drinkable" most biotoxins are rendered harmless either from the treatment or simple dilution. they would literally have to drive a 5ton dumptruck up to the resivoir and dump the stuff in (probably several actually but one illustrates the point) and the 500mcg that is mentioned several places is for direct injection (needle...pellet from an umbrella gun (there are some of you that get that reference i hope))

this link has a lot of good general info on ricin. but where it says that a "substantial amount" would be needed for ingestion kind of backs up what i was saying about the water supply. thats something that always annoyed me in the early days of the "war on terror" that the govt started talking about the water supply and making people paranoid...it would be a serious challenge to harm a cities water supply. i mean hell, chlorine will kill you in large doses right? how much chlorine gets dumped into a cities water supply in a day?

but yeah, ricins not something you make by accident...and as someone else posted can no way be a byproduct of meth production. if they found actual ricin...someone had bad intentions with it

[edit on 1-3-2008 by Damocles]

Originally posted by Damocles
i mean hell, chlorine will kill you in large doses right? how much chlorine gets dumped into a cities water supply in a day?

[edit on 1-3-2008 by Damocles]

A hell of a lot of chlorine is used both in treatment and sterilizing pipes after serious work has been done on them - but a lot of this chlorine is removed in a dechlorination process so that, well no one dies! Like you say unless you got tonnes of this stuff then widespread contamination is far fetched to say the least - but smaller scale and more targeted attacks are entirely possible... Even if it's just putting the stuff in someone kettle when they are out of the kitchen - who ever empties the kettle before using it? I know 90% of people would usually just top it up to the right level 90% of the time.

Can Ricin be deactivated with heat?

reply to post by Now_Then


According to Muppett Galacticus' source on page 1, no, it doesn't seem so:

It is a stable substance. For example, it is not affected much by extreme conditions such as very hot or very cold temperatures.

There is way too much to this story that theyre leaving untold. Something big, just as with 911, will have to happen to scare the American public into giving up more rights. Something has to happen to convince the public that invading...say Iran is a good idea, or that the national id micro chip simply HAS TO be done for their safety. I wouldn't be the least bit suprised, if when the story breaks open, the owner of the ricin turned out to be an "Iraninan terrorist."
But these are just thoughts that come to mind.

There is much to tell yet about the origin of the ricin or it's intended purpose, but I can tell you the man who went to the hospital is going to wind up being the person who was either making it or had it in his possesion, finding castor beans in the room too would indicate it was made there. This was an extented stay hotel, I guantee these items would have been found had they been left by a previous tenant, the person currently in the room had to have brought it in. I really doubt that while he was out of his room, someone slipped in and made ricin, then left it there along with beans and a study book on anarchy. If the man survives and is able to tell, he will let the world know he did it. I am sure fingerprints have been made from the bottles, and the book by now, not releasing the information yet is most likely so they can get an airtight case first.

www.lasvegasnow.com...


Here is a good update. I have also seen that they are investigating a house that he shared with a relative.

Originally posted by space cadet
I really doubt that while he was out of his room, someone slipped in and made ricin, then left it there along with beans and a study book on anarchy.

particuarly when the method used by aq for example takes 12 days to make the stuff.

yeah im sure that there are faster methods but thats a pretty good benchmark for any methods youre likely to find out on the net in these types of source.

Maybe now they will get some answers.

www.startribune.com...

LAS VEGAS - A man who may have been exposed to toxic ricin in his motel room a month ago has regained consciousness and was being questioned by investigators, authorities said Friday. Roger Bergendorff, 57, remained in critical condition in a hospital, where he has been hospitalized and unable to speak since Feb. 14.

Several vials of ricin powder were found in his room two weeks later after a friend went there to remove Bergendorff's belongings.

Investigators were speaking with Bergendorff for the first time Friday, said Special Agent David Staretz, an FBI spokesman. Neither he nor Las Vegas police would provide more information.

Friends and family members describe Bergendorff as an unemployed and unmarried graphic artist, a recovering alcoholic who loved his dog and cats and struggled to pay his bills while living in Huntington Beach, Calif., Reno, the San Diego area and a pickup truck camper near Salt Lake City. He moved in recent months to an extended stay motel several blocks off the Las Vegas Strip.

We know about his poor dog but I wonder what happened to his cats?

ap.google.com...

His younger brother, Erich Bergendorff, told The Associated Press that they spoke briefly on the telephone Sunday for the first time since the ricin was found, and said Roger claimed he had never had any intention of endangering anyone with the toxin.

"He did mention that he would have never done anything to anybody," said Erich Bergendorff. "He himself is under the impression he was contaminated by it — he did mention the ricin and seemed to say something like, 'Gee, it sure worked on me.'"

Erich Bergendorff said his brother told him the ricin was easy to make. But he added that his brother, who was on a ventilator until last week, still had a hard time speaking clearly, so it was not clear whether Roger Bergendorff made it himself or watched someone else manufacture the powder.

It obviously sounds like he was really down his luck so who knows how desperate he was to generate some money. He could have been getting paid by someone to do it or perhaps he thought he could extort money out of the city on the threat of releasing it?

well i find it amusing in a sick kind of way that he claims he never wanted to hurt anyone with it.


yet....ricin isnt something you make by accident. you have to want to end up with it when you start making it and theres really only one real use for it so...