Retired Battalion Chief Arthur Scheuerman Does HardFire With Mark Roberts

reply to post by gottago


Gottago....

In between your napping, did you happen to hear anything the Chief or Mr. Roberts got wrong.

Please be specific.

Thank you,
C.O.

Originally posted by jthomas
And who cares?

Obviously YOU do. Or why would you spend hours trying to defend him?

This isn't rocket science, Griff, it is normal human behavior. Can you not imagine the turmoil in Silverstein's office (actually, I think he had to evacuate it), when WTC 1 and 2 have been attacked and fallen, thousands of people are missing and it's unknown about their condition, WTC 7 is damaged and on fire, and you want him to recount exactly what he and others said in a few sentences of just a moment in time months before?

This isn't rocket science jthomas, it is normal human behavior. Can you imagine the termoil William Rodriguez actually went through? Unlike Silverstein, Willie was actually there, saved people's lives and is a hero and not sitting on his ass watching it from his penthouse (when he actually should have been in his office anyway). But, yet Willie is called a liar by you and your ilk.

The hipocrasy is so overwelming that all I see are pots calling someone black.

As far as a retractment of my statements. Respect is given only to those who have earned it. So far, even CO has earned a million times more respect than you have.

The ignore button is looking very nice right about now.

[edit on 3/5/2008 by Griff]

Originally posted by billybob


thet are people in real life who have nothing to do with internet forums or conspiracy theory for that matter. i'm not talking about this site. in varying degrees, people smell a rat.
who can trust an administration that lies to start a war to tell the truth about ANYTHING?
WHY should proven liars be believed?

I hate George Bush... he did start a war with lies. That we can pretty much prove. Been 6 years I'm still waiting for the proof of his involvement with 911. And please show me one truther that has not got at least SOME of his/her information from a Truther website.

Originally posted by billybob

i suppose you will say JFK was killed by oswald, alone, too, and call the other 80% of americans 'social outcasts' who don't believe it?

Start a thread on it.... lay out what you got.

Originally posted by billybob
not very cool to call 'forum conspiracy theorists' 'social outcasts' on the 'internet's number one conspiracy forum', LOL!

I did not say that. I stated that Silverstein does not have to answer to them. I was speaking of anyone that still holds onto his statement as incriminating.

Originally posted by billybob
dude, there are pilots, engineers, doctors, rock stars, businessmen, politicos, police, military.....

labels to meant to degrade and demean are a low tactic.

Well, hmmmm
Pilots: Rob Balsmo
Engineers: Judy Woods
Doctors: Of what? I have found a dermatologist and a theologian
Rock Stars: um .. ok and that means ??
Businessmen: so?
Politicians: Liars everywhere
Militiary: your point?

Your point I guess is that people of all walks of life can be misguided.

reply to post by CaptainObvious


So basically, your insulting a great number of members here on ATS. Does that sum it for ya?

reply to post by talisman


I am not going to personally attack anyone. Stop trying to bait me. I stand by my opinion that those that honestly think a BUILDING OWNER can instruct a FIRE DEPARTMENT ...to bring his building down VIA a controlled demolition.... well.... Think about it.

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
Well, hmmmm
Pilots: Rob Balsmo

Please prove Rob is not a pilot.

Engineers: Judy Woods

Please prove DR. Woods is not an engineer.

Doctors: Of what? I have found a dermatologist and a theologian

So blatantly a lie and you know it CO. Steven Jones is a Dr. of Physics. Judy Woods is a Dr. of engineering. That's two that you conveniently left out. Why is that. Picking and choosing again? What you claim we do?

Politicians: Liars everywhere

And yet you lick their boots when it comes to 9/11?

You guys make me laugh sometimes. If it wasn't for that fact that thousands of my people were killed that day, you guys would be jokesters.

"You're nearly a laugh.....
You're nearly a laugh,
But, you're really a cry"

Pink Floyd. "Pigs"

Just a reminder lets not let this thread go personal.

Retired Battalion Chief Arthur Scheuerman Does HardFire With Mark Roberts

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reply to post by CaptainObvious

I am not going to personally attack anyone. Stop trying to bait me. I stand by my opinion that those that honestly think a BUILDING OWNER can instruct a FIRE DEPARTMENT ...to bring his building down VIA a controlled demolition.... well.... Think about it.

#1. You did attack people personally, but lumping those on ATS with anyone who thinks or might suspect Silverstein. You called them "SOCIAL OUTCASTS". There is no need to bait.

YOU are the insulter.

Now, since this board has a certain set of rules that we are supposed to abide by, I am at a loss how you constantly get away with 'snide' remarks and wide ranging insults.

It seems the moderators show up after you instigate the anger of a few then tell everyone to stay on topic. But I am wondering what your real motives here are, if you think people who might think a certain way are "SOCIAL OUTCASTS".

Here on ATS, I presume we are to respect as much as possible each others opinion and argue minus the ad ad hominem. Which you do hardly of.

I suppose people might think it unbelievable that soldiers would kill puppies or dogs for fun, but the news is all over the net about that.

People might find it unbelievable to believe that the Gov was involved in Gladio, or human Radiation experiments or MkULTRA, but it happened.

So let us save what is or isn't believable and go by the circumstantial, since in this case there are circumstances that are pretty self-evident.

Such as...Emergency workers telling people that the building was "ABout to blow up" and Silverstein talking to someone who called him and we are never given the name.

Then of course the collapse of building 7 itself.



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[edit on 5-3-2008 by talisman]

reply to post by Sauron


If I have stepped over a line Sauron, I apologize. Let me know if anything is against the T&C's and I will remove (or you could too). Thanks.

reply to post by Griff


Animals is one of the greatest albums of all time. I enjoyed that quote.

Originally posted by jthomas

I contend you did not.

Originally posted by jthomas
And who cares? It's meaningless, unless you actually want to investigate something thoroughly. I've already been over this. And it has NOTHING to do with "English sentence structure."

Originally posted by jthomas
Obviously, he said he raised a suggestion - "maybe". It neither is taking credit nor does it address that firemen may have long since reached that conclusion, it doesn't suggest, it proves it. It absolutely does NOT indicate by any stretch of the imagination that Silverstein was lying OR taking credit! Again, it doesn't suggest it, it proves it!

Hey look! When you add words to jthomas' post, he's on your side griff!



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[edit on 5-3-2008 by Sublime620]

Originally posted by Griff

But, yet Willie is called a liar by you and your ilk.

Please demonstrate that I said anything about Rodriquez.

Then please retract your statements about Silverstein.

Thanks in advance.

reply to post by jthomas


I called Willie a liar. And I stand by that fact.

Sorry Griff.... but the boy is F.O.S.!!

I actually started a thread about him months ago.

Originally posted by talisman

#1. You did attack people personally, but lumping those on ATS with anyone who thinks or might suspect Silverstein. You called them "SOCIAL OUTCASTS". There is no need to bait.

YOU are the insulter.

I did not lump ANYONE. You need to stop putting words in my mouth. Honestly, besides a few newbies and hardcore "hologram" types...anyone with common sence can figure it out. Now Talisman, it you are one to say Silverstein ordered the destruction of his skyscraper. Please explain to me how this was done.

The comment about Social Outcasts was made because CT's feel that Larry should have to answer to them. That is a joke in it self.

Originally posted by talisman
I suppose people might think it unbelievable that soldiers would kill puppies or dogs for fun, but the news is all over the net about that.

People might find it unbelievable to believe that the Gov was involved in Gladio, or human Radiation experiments or MkULTRA, but it happened.

So let us save what is or isn't believable and go by the circumstantial, since in this case there are circumstances that are pretty self-evident.

Your kidding ...right? There is a difference between the unthinkable and the impossible.

People kill people...as inhumane as it is, it happens every day.

Never... and I will say it AGAIN...NEVER will a building owner EVER tell a FIRE DEPARTMENT to demolish his/her building.

Originally posted by Griff


So blatantly a lie and you know it CO. Steven Jones is a Dr. of Physics. Judy Woods is a Dr. of engineering. That's two that you conveniently left out. Why is that. Picking and choosing again? What you claim we do?

Politicians: Liars everywhere

And yet you lick their boots when it comes to 9/11?

You guys make me laugh sometimes. If it wasn't for that fact that thousands of my people were killed that day, you guys would be jokesters.

"You're nearly a laugh.....
You're nearly a laugh,
But, you're really a cry"

Pink Floyd. "Pigs"

I too am a HUGE fan of Pink Floyd... I saw them years ago at the old Foxboro Stadium (Patriots Home)

First of all... Licking boots?? Griff??? Come on, you know I hate this current administration. Show me some evidence that shows Bush was involved in 911 and I will file the paper work to have him convicted.


Why did you post that I didnt think Rob was a pilot? I was giving examples of the loons that represent the leaders of the truthmovement. Yes.. i should have listed Steve (i got fired) Jones as a doctor and Judy ( i didn't get tenure) Woods ... I was unaware that she was a doctor.

Trust me Griff... those are the last two you want to admit to being on your team.

reply to post by CaptainObvious


my point is, that not only 'social outcasts' are 'conspiracy theorists'.
i'm miffed about the social outcast comment, in case you didn't notice.

as to the rest....
whatever.

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
anyone with common sence can figure it out. Now Talisman, it you are one to say Silverstein ordered the destruction of his skyscraper. Please explain to me how this was done.

You really don't think too hard about this do you? Silverstein is a billionaire real estate developer who knows controlled demolition very well. No he didn't make the order, it was a joint decision, as in 'we' decided to 'pull it'. Larry would very much be involved in that decision, just like he was in all the other complexes he's purchased and had demolished. Larry new exactly what he was talking about.

To 'Pull' a building is old demolition lingo from the days when they used ropes and chains. It's just one of those words that's not 'official' but still used by old timers like Larry Silverstein. If you really think he had nothing to do with 9-11 you are naive beyond hope...

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reply to post by CaptainObvious


Completely off subject but...:

If you like Pink Floyd, I saw a great cover band of them. They were called "The Machine".

If you see them around, they do excellent lights and the vocals are great.

reply to post by CaptainObvious


The rules here whether enforced by the Mods or not, we should try and follow. You used a term to put down others and I see you utter snide remarks with infrequent moderation (perhaps the reason you continue).

That is the point here, if your serious about 'discussion' on a conspiracy forum you would leave your remarks at the door.

reply to post by CaptainObvious


If you read my post, I quite clearly stated that their contentions are hearsay. Unverifiable. I.e., made-up.

For example, how can Roberts cite the non-existent NIST report and his supposed inside info from those supposedly also preparing it as proof? What a crock. If he indeed had some sort of contact, then what in the hell are NIST investigators doing talking to him?

As for the fire guy/book peddler, his whole contention that the building was a house of cards is a crock too. The single column theory has about as much validity as the magic bullet's. Is he a structural engineer, or did he put out fires and later push NYFD paperwork for a living?