It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by LoneGunMan
LoneGunMan,
Have you flown the B757 or B767? Do you know how the control wheel feels in your hand, how much force you apply...do you know how you FEEL the response as you move the control wheel? This is the much over-used phrase 'seat of the pants'.
Originally posted by Black Flag
What I find odd about the people that would like to blame 9/11 on Bush's Presidency, is that he was only in office for about eight months when it happened.
If it was any Presidents "Fault" you would have to lay the blame at Clinton's feet, not GW's.
That excludes the "Bush did it" theories of course.
I agree with your comment about people who are more prepared to believe that we somehow "did this to ourselves" rather than some (at the time) obscure gang of rag-tag terrorists.
They would rather believe that their own "corrupt" government did this to them, than a small group of dedicated fanatics.
"Nobody can attack America...except America"
I dont know why that would be easier to live with, but hey...whatever cracks your nut.
Originally posted by jtma508
As a pilot I have to object to comparing the fly-by executed by the Cathay Airlines pilot and the alleged Pentagon 'hit'.
First, the reported airspeed of the Cathay fly-by was significantly lower than that of the Pentagon plane.
Second, the Cathay pilot was flying a structured, programmed approach course that was entirely clear of any and all obstacles. The pilot only had to fly the course and not concern himself with avoiding ground obstacles.
Third, at no point was the Cathay pilot required to execute anything but standard rate turns. The Pentagon plane executed a dramatic flight path prior to establishing the ground proximity final approach. Stabilizing that course and arresting decent (most especially in the immediate proximity of all manner of ground obstacles) is immensely difficult. Not an issue in the Cathay pilot's fly-by.
Finally, the Cathay pilot was one of the airline's most senior pilots ($500k/year?). He had just picked up the new aircraft and therefore had just completed a 777 simulator course. Not so for the Pentagon pilots.
Apples-and-wheelbarrows comparison in my opinion.
Originally posted by Caustic Logic
reply to post by MrWendal
Here's an odd factoid: The hijack of 77 happened about 8:54, it turned around, stops communicating, transponder off, and races towards the Pentagon. At 9:24 it descends past the 18,000 foot threshold and the altimeter is re-set as per FAA regulations, as the original pilot had set it on ascent at 8:28.
This is odd because it's not automatic. The pilot does it manual. Why Hani?
The thing is the terrorist was aiming at the Pentagon, the ground is not a factor except it is at the base of the Pentagon. The idiot, terrorist, was aiming at the Pentagon. He hit the Pentagon at 500 mph. The 757/767 are easy to fly and do very well at high speed. This is at the skill level of a grade school kid. Anyone could do it. Some people can't. Fling done on 9/11 was entry level bad! It takes no skill at all to get to the runway! It takes some skill to land. But 9/11 flying was too easy! Entry level. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong. Ask a pilot; the percentage should come out to about all the pilots in the world divided into the p4t membership.
Originally posted by MrWendal
Originally posted by Black Flag
What I find odd about the people that would like to blame 9/11 on Bush's Presidency, is that he was only in office for about eight months when it happened.
If it was any Presidents "Fault" you would have to lay the blame at Clinton's feet, not GW's.
That excludes the "Bush did it" theories of course.
I agree with your comment about people who are more prepared to believe that we somehow "did this to ourselves" rather than some (at the time) obscure gang of rag-tag terrorists.
They would rather believe that their own "corrupt" government did this to them, than a small group of dedicated fanatics.
"Nobody can attack America...except America"
I dont know why that would be easier to live with, but hey...whatever cracks your nut.
Sometimes I am just really slow, but can you please explain to me what any of this has to do with a commercial airliner that flew at 322mph 28 to 30 feet off the ground and it's relation to what happened at the Pentagon on Sept 11th? No where in the OP did I see any mention of "Bush did it" or "corrupt governments" or anything else you mention in your post. I should know, cause I wrote it. So please can you tell me what anything you are saying has to do with this thread or any single question I asked?