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Pilots at their headquarters got in the simm and downloaded the NY skyline to try to crash into the WTC buildings. Some tried 10 times and couldn't do it. G-force was too high and commercial planes are not designed to be flown by sight. If you have ever flown you know at 30,000 feet at 500+ MPH you can't really tell where you are at.
De Borchgrave: So who did Black Sept. 11?
Gul: Mossad and its accomplices. The U.S. spends $40 billion a year on its 11 intelligence agencies. That's $400 billion in 10 years. Yet the Bush Administration says it was taken by surprise. I don't believe it. Within 10 minutes of the second twin tower being hit in the World Trade Center CNN said Osama bin Laden had done it. That was a planned piece of disinformation by the real perpetrators. It created an instant mindset and put public opinion into a trance, which prevented even intelligent people from thinking for themselves.
Q: So you're already convinced bin Laden didn't do it?
A: I know bin Laden and his associates. I've been with them here, in Europe and the Middle East. They are graduates of the best universities and are highly intelligent with impressive degrees and speak impeccable English. These are people who have rediscovered fundamental Islamic values. Many come from the Gulf countries where ruling royal families have generated hatred by the way they flout divine law, wasting billions on gratifying their whims, jetting around in large private jets by themselves, and sailing the Mediterranean in big private boats for weeks on end. Osama's best recruits come from feudal areas that are U.S. protectorates and where millions of poor people are seeking human dignity. I have even visited a Christian convent school in Murree, 60 miles from here, where my 13-year-old daughter is studying. The young girls there have told me Osama is their hero. Osama's followers identify with Mujahideen freedom fighters wherever they are defending Islam and its values.
Q: So what makes you think Osama wasn't behind Sept. 11?
A: From a cave inside a mountain or a peasant's hovel? Let's be serious. Osama inspires countless millions by standing up for Islam against American and Israeli imperialism. He doesn't have the means for such a sophisticated operation.
Q: Why Mossad?
A: Mossad and its American associates are the obvious culprits. Who benefits from the crime? The attacks against the twin towers started at 8:45 a.m. and four flights are diverted from their assigned air space and no air traffic controller sounds the alarm. And no Air Force jets scramble until 10 a.m. That also smacks of a small scale Air Force rebellion, a coup against the Pentagon perhaps? Radars are jammed, transponders fail. No IFF -- friend or foe identification -- challenge. In Pakistan, if there is no response to IFF, jets are instantly scrambled and the aircraft is shot down with no further questions asked. This was clearly an inside job. Bush was afraid and rushed to the shelter of a nuclear bunker. He clearly feared a nuclear situation. Who could that have been? Will that also be hushed up in the investigation, like the Warren report after the Kennedy assassination?
In his book "Why America Slept: The Failure to Prevent 9/11," Gerald Posner makes an explosive allegation: Top figures in the Saudi and Pakistani governments had been directly assisting Osama bin Laden for years and knew al-Qaida was going to strike America on Sept. 11. Posner cites two unnamed U.S. government sources, both of whom he asserts are "in a position to know," who he said gave him separate, corroborating reports. One source is from the CIA and the other is a senior Bush administration official "inside the executive branch," he told Salon in an interview.
According to Posner's account, four Saudi princes and the head of Pakistan's air force were deeply involved with Osama bin Laden for years, some of them meeting with him well after al-Qaida began its terror attacks on U.S. targets overseas in the mid-1990s. The fact that some of the figures were so highly placed makes it hard to dismiss the possibility, if the allegations are true, that the heads of the Saudi and Pakistani governments signed off on the policy.
The Sept. 11 Commission has found troubling new evidence that Iran was closer to al-Qaida than was Iraq. More importantly, and through no fault of its own, the commission missed the biggest prize of all: Former Pakistani intelligence officers knew beforehand all about the September 11 attacks.
They even advised Osama bin Laden and his cohorts how to attack key targets in the United States with hijacked civilian aircraft. And bin Laden has been undergoing periodic dialysis treatment in a military hospital in Peshawar, capital of Pakistan's Northwest Frontier Province adjacent to the Afghan border.
The information came to the commission's attention in a confidential report from Pakistan as the commission's own report was coming off the presses. The information was supplied with the understanding that the unimpeachable source would remain anonymous.
Pakistan still denies that President Pervez Musharraf knew anything about the activities of A.Q. Khan, the country's top nuclear engineer who spent the last 10 years building and running a one-stop global Wal-Mart for "rogue" nations. North Korea, Iran and Libya shopped for nuclear weapons at Mr. Khan's underground black market. Pakistan has also denied the allegations by a leading Pakistani in the confidential addendum to the September 11 Commission report.
Originally posted by biggie smalls
The ISI General blames Mossad, while other sources say ISI was involved. I really don't know what to tell you other than its all smoke and mirrors.
Originally posted by Infoman
reply to post by biggie smalls
As someone used to dealing with evidence, I fail to see any proof. I see a lot of innuendo, hearsay and circumstantial evidence but nothing convincing. I say that as a "Devil's advocate" because if no one looks at these things without a critical eye, it just gets rubber stamped as credible by those who desire it to be true.
In any court, you would get laughed out with this kind of evidence. There's no sworn statements, no clear mots operandi, no credible witnesses and no provable connections. I'm not saying you're right or wrong. I'm just saying you're not making a clear case.
Silverstein Properties, Larry Silverstein’s company which took over the lease of the WTC weeks earlier (see July 24, 2001), has a meeting planned for the morning of 9/11 in it’s temporary offices on the 88th floor of the WTC North Tower, along with Port Authority officials. It is to discuss what to do in the event of a terrorist attack. However, this evening the meeting is canceled because one participant cannot attend.
WTC leaseholder Larry Silverstein is supposed to be working today in the temporary offices of his company, Silverstein Properties, on the 88th floor of the North Tower. However, at his Park Avenue apartment, Silverstein’s wife reportedly “laid down the law: The developer could not cancel an appointment with his dermatologist, even to meet with tenants at his most important property.” [NEW YORK OBSERVER, 3/17/2003; NEW YORK MAGAZINE, 4/18/2005] He is therefore not at the WTC when it is hit, and first hears of the attacks when an associate calls him from the lobby of one of the WTC buildings. [REAL DEAL, 1/2004] Two of Silverstein’s children—his son, Roger, and daughter, Lisa—work for his company and have been regularly attending meetings with WTC tenants at Windows on the World (the restaurant at the top of the North Tower). Yet this morning they are running late. According to the New York Observer, “If the attack had happened just a little later, Mr. Silverstein’s children would likely have been trapped at Windows.”
Larry Silverstein, the owner of the WTC complex, admitted on a September 2002 PBS documentary, 'America Rebuilds' that he and the NYFD decided to 'pull' WTC 7 on the day of the attack. The word 'pull' is industry jargon for taking a building down with explosives.
We have attempted to call Larry Silverstein's office on several occasions. Silverstein has never issued a retraction for his comments.
Photos taken moments before the collapse of WTC 7 show small office fires on just two floors.
Firefighters were told to move away from the building moments before it collapsed.
In February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7. Silverstein Properties' estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. So: This building's collapse resulted in a profit of about $500 million!
Here is a picture of building 7 at 3pm on September 11, two and a half hours before it collapsed. The lower portion of the building is darkened from the reflection of the other smaller building across the street. The only fires are on the 7th and 12th floors and are so small they could have been put out by the office sprinkler system. Why did Silverstein and the government make the decision to 'pull' the building when debris from it's collapse would hit the other buildings and start fires in them too?
Many people have claimed that the diesel fuel and emergency generators exploded within building 7 but even the FEMA report admitted that these remained fully intact. The FEMA report sought to explain how the building collapsed but could only conclude, “The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time.”
The report is available at www.fema.gov...
Why did FEMA commission a report into how the building collapsed if it was already known that the government made the decision to destroy it on the evening of 9/11?
One anonymous phone call to the authorities actually led them to close down all of New York's bridges and tunnels. The mystery caller told the 9-1-1 dispatcher that a group of Palestinians were mixing a bomb inside of a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel. Here's the transcript from NBC News:
Dispatcher: Jersey City police.
Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building.
Caller: There's a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform.
Dispatcher: He has what?
Caller: He's dressed like an Arab. (8)
(*Writer's note: Why would this mystery caller specifically say that these "Arabs" were Palestinians? How would he know that? Palestinians usually dress in western style clothes, not "sheikh uniforms")
Based on that phone call, police then issued a "Be-on-the-Lookout" alert for a white mini-van heading for the city's bridges and tunnels from New Jersey.
White, 2000 Chevrolet van with 'Urban Moving Systems' sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals.
"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information."
US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the Israeli spy ring.
The pictures being posted so rapidly of the 911 hijackers. They already had them.
The rogue flight that ended up in Ohio. Remote control could of failed
The confiscation of the Pentagon videos. Again, more scrutiny would probably reveal an "inhuman" capability to control an aircraft that big that low, that fast.
The flight training of the hijackers in simulators, to a degree.
The fact that he is an ex head of state with an excellent reputation, and directly took part in Operation Gladio speaks volumes. He can't be called just another conspiracy theorist crackpot.
Marvin Bush was director of SecuraCom/Kroll which provided electronic security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles airport - all three of which were involved in the 9/11 attacks.
Then on Sept. 6th, there were 4 times the normal amount of put-options (bets to go down) placed on United Airlines stock. The next day more than 5 times the usual put volume was placed on Boeing stock. And on Sept. 10th, American Airlines had nearly 11 times its daily put average. No other airlines showed such anomalies
Newsweek twice reported that top Pentagon officials had got a warning of the impending attack on September 10th and cancelled their flights for the next day
September 11th 1990 Bush Sr. mentioned for the first time to congress about an idea for a new world order
I was told that the Pentagon has cameras all over the largest building in the world but it also has defence missiles and if a plane doesn't have a code telling that they are a friendly craft the missiles woulde have shot it down.
Also that morning Bush was reading about a goat when he learned that a second plane hit in NY. But the SS didn't usher him out. If I told you your house was on fire would you just sit there and do nothing?
TextBush said twice after 911 that he saw the first plane hit the building which was impossible because the film of the first plane wasn't shown until that evening unless he had a special camera beaming the event to a TV at the school
How could people in caves in the middle east learn how to fly jumbo jets over new york city and crash them into 2 buildings?
Notice how small the fires are
One of the early reports from Qatar said that on the day the World Trade Center and Pentagon buildings came down, as many as 4,000 Jewish workers had gone on leave.
Where such a report originated was not made clear. It just became a “given” in ensuing Middle East interpretations. From the moment this bizarre suggestion surfaced that American and Israeli Jews got a special warning, most Americans discredited anything else coming from Middle East sources. People who heard the story, carefully quoted by my visiting friend, just tuned out the idea.
Meanwhile, things were moving rapidly in the United States. Within hours after the four hijacked aircraft had crashed, many people were seized on the basis of suspicious activities or appearances. Five young men from Israel attracted the interest of their neighbors when they were seen photographing each other near the now burning World Trade Center.
Now, however, things begin to get a little murkier. Events may not be quite as clear as a straightforward narrative would demand. For example, despite attempts by the U.S. government to hush it up, a very large number of Israelis were caught up in the roundup of suspicious characters. While people had assumed that most of those rounded up were Arabs, it turned out that quite a number were Jewish Israelis, not Arab Israelis. And it seemed that some of them had no valid explanations of what they were doing when Sept. 11 stopped everyone in their tracks.
One of the first things that surprised government officials was that apparently some Israeli operatives in the U.S. had advance warning that terrorists were planning a major event in the United States. Whatever the warnings were, however, they were not shared with American authorities.
There were plenty of opportunities to speak out. Some Israelis, for example, had been watching a group of Arabs in California for some time. When the Israelis inadvertently realized that something big was about to happen, either the specifics were not shared with U.S. authorities or the latter simply ignored the warning. It may well be that Israel’s Mossad operatives were afraid to explain their activities, as that might divulge the extent of Israeli penetration. The end result, however, is that the catastrophic events on the East Coast transpired, when they might have been averted.