N. American Army created without OK by Congress U.S., Canada military ink deal to fight domestic eme

Originally posted by Damocles
well, i wont insult you by telling you i think your theories make no sense.

Ditto as to your disagreement.

i also wont waste my time by asking if you have any proof of your very specific claims (planning on under half a billion huh?)

Yes, this is the number has been bandied around on the internet and in print for some time now and you should find sources enough to figure out that joe next door didn't come up with it.

but i would be interested to know how exactly they are going to manage all of this?
you expect us to believe that a small group of, presumably, old white guys are going to get the military to hunt down innocent people for no pay just on their say so?

Nazi Germany anyone? The USSR?

cuz even at half a billion thats a lot of people if they all come marching towards your front door with pointy sticks unless you have the military on your side.

Well the current Six and a half billion isn't having all that much luck with that strategy so i see no reason why a carefully selected half a billion ( Including a 150 million Japanese) wont be relatively easily managed with the luxury that can be afforded them while they do exactly what their told. What some people don't seem to realise is that fascism does not have to go along with grinding poverty or starvation and that a few hundred million people can easily live comfortable lives while operating the machinery that would the current rulers to expand their power here or further into our solar system.

im going to guess you were never in the military cuz every millitary person knows that somethigns you dont mess with. first is a soldiers pay.

Right and draft armies consists of people who happily march off to war for half the reward they got working in safe factory jobs. Do you study history at all?

i could see it now:
cheney: "general, i need you to send your ranger batts up to south dakota and go hunt them all down"
general: "yeah about that, im afraid im going to have to just go ahead and ask you to go fornicate yourself with a large foreign object"

As if you become a general by not knowing how to follow orders. If you think natural selection is efficient you should really check out what kind of 'products' normally comes from the military stable.

what would be in it for the military? sure they may share with the generals but the generals typically arent the ones out there doing the fighting.

Authority and control over lower ranks? Which organization all over the world is normally responsible for staging coup's in their countries when they believe the population is getting's it's way? Since when is the military of most countries not elitist?

you going to get me to believe that once you cut off the pay to a battalion of infantry that they arent going to just figure out that "hey, we have guns. the old white guys dont. few of their guards do but lemme call my buddies over in the 1st armored division. OWG's guards have 9mms, lets get some abrams on the streets of DC"yeah, shortest dictatorship in history.

Well the GOP has stolen the last two elections and the military didn't elect march on Washington and instead followed orders and invaded two sovereign nations on the other side of the planet. Sure you can argue the GOP had to send them away cause they were planning a coup ( 9-11 being the opening shots trying to destroy the GOP financial center) but why did they follow orders and go? You tell me...

for any NWO to take and hold power they need the millitary. for the most part the military is made up of guys like you and me. little nuts but generally good people.

If the military were in fact made up of guys like you and me drafts wouldn't be a problem and everyone would do it for a civilian salary. Since that's not the case it's clear that the military does not consist of guys like you and me and in fact consists of a small percentage of west point 'royal's and a host of unhappy people who didn't have all that many other options with unemployment rates above ten percent.

so, im not going to go blow the kids college fund in vegas just to have one last fun weekend before "they" come and haul me off to a concentration camp. just dont see it happening

Well if Vegas is your idea of 'fun' that may best explain why you have such a problem with distinguishing possibilities from impossibilities; anyone who believes they can beat the house on it's own ground is obviously deluded.

Stellar

With the state of disarray of American freedoms, and Canada still holding to the freedoms we've held so dear for so long... I don't think American enforcement in Canada would be compatible. The citizens of Canada would still expect and demand they be treated as they always have been, with their rights and freedoms in tact.

If American forces were to be used up here, the Canadian citizens would see every minor infringement (and major ones) of our rights and freedoms as evidence of wrongdoing, and will undoubtedly take matters into their own hands.

In short, US military units in Canada in a policing role can only end in shots being fired between both sides.

It's a really stupid decision.

Another thing... did parliament even get to vote on this? Under who's authority was this passed? Last I checked, matters of this type have to be ratified by parliament, if not, they're simply not legal.

On these grounds we need to start speaking with our MP's. Find out if it is ratified by parliament, and if it isn't, get the supreme court involved to find out exactly who made promises the rest of Canada didn't agree on.


Neither side wants either sides military units on their soil.

Canadian forces are designed for peacekeeping... not policing.
They take an aggressive-defensive role, placing themselves between two warring groups, and firing back at anything that attempts an offensive move. Forcing a settlement between two groups.
Not exactly the tactics one would expect in a Civilian environment.

US Forces are designed for offensive operations... basically, kill until they give up. Quite frankly, they'd make for the worst imaginable police I can think of.

Both countries have systems in place intended to defend the citizens at home... it's called the police and national guard (In extreme cases).

Clearly whoever agreed to these terms have forgotten what the existing security groups are for.

I would be all for police departments being allowed to call upon each other in times of an emergency, same with fire departments (I think that one is already agreed on), but military?!

This is a really bad decision.

And it very well could end up biting both countries in the behind.

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you people crack me up
first of all no troops from any country would be deployed to enforce the law of that or another country. and if that ever occured it would be by government request. as for canadian soldiers turning their weapons on our american cousins is straight up laughable. now americans (civilians or troops) shooting at canadians.... thats more likely to happen.
and to all the british folk in here talking # about coming to save either country from anything.... stop making us laugh.

this agreement is for the good of both countries and people who didn't realize that this type of cooperation has been going on for decades you need to wake up. you only need to remember back as far as 9 11 to find an example. but if you need more then keep digging its all well documented.
you go ddamn hillbillies.

as for bringing mexico in the mix......thats a tough call.
they can't even administer their own country which is probably why they weren't invited into this partnership. but if all they are doing is filling sand bags then they might serve a purpose.

Is it bad that I am not intimidated by either the Canadian or Mexican military?

I was talking with a friend last week. We were debating the ultimate control issues like NWO, NAU, Fascism and such. He mentioned Bush and I said something to the effect of, "oh you mean how he has more than once circumvented congress to push his own agenda in line with the powers that be?"
Well, that was of course met with, "name one instance that Bush has side stepped congress."

Thanks for the link to not one, but two examples of Bush "Decider"ing to do what he wants, rule of law bed@mned. I sent my friend the link. Perhaps some people will open their eyes. Hopefully before it is too late to see.

To all you Canucks...I got nothing against any of you, only the manner in which our respective governments handled this situation.

If I am on the roof of my house in a torrential flood, I am not going to care which flag is on the tail of the helicopter swooping in to pick me up. But if I am protecting my home from illegal invaders, again, I am not going to care what flag is on that helicopter coming in to take me away.