Military aircraft being UFOs

Which is? To generate funny news reports that are passed off as weather baloons?! It seems like a waste of time then to me..no one really cares and all it does is embarrass the airforce

towns & citys are NOT ours.

[edit on 24-2-2008 by Palasheea]

What is so difficult in thinking that they might not be testing their UFOs, but rather putting them to exactly the use they were intended for?

I´m just saying.... ´cause i´m just someone...

edit: refrasement

[edit on 24-2-2008 by just_someone]

Originally posted by BionicEBE
Which is? To generate funny news reports that are passed off as weather baloons?! It seems like a waste of time then to me..no one really cares and all it does is embarrass the airforce

Well sir, I don´t think I know to much about that. But I have my suspicions where this might lead.

Some people keep joking about issues that they are really afraid of. Perhaps this logic could be applied in some way to news reports regarding UFOs!?
But isn´t it also true that media is becoming more accepting of sightings and the idea that there might be something to it. Why would they do this, one might ask?

What would you/anyone do if they perceived an U.F.O. tomorrow?
Something worth pondering for a while.

reply to post by DeltaNine


~gives bottle of wine~ Now go, GO David Hasselhoff!! and Bask in your greatness!!

In my opinion, the people are just to "brainwashed" (brain-dead?) to actualy believe that us humans could get so far, even though the evidence says WE didn't.....the evidence says we STOLE it.

The SR-71, U2, F-117..ect. have all proven some ability to keep secrtets. The F-117 is so old that they are being retired this year. The SR-71 was built back in 1971-72. Both aircraft were pretty far ahead of thier time. Seeing one early on would have been UFO experiance for most.KPBS recently had a documentary called astrospies that showed the early milatary astronaut program back in 1965. Over 40 years go by and some secrets can be kept.
UFO's as in flying balls of light and such go way back and are reported all throughout history.

But I would say that your theory that most UFO sightings are probably experamental craft is right on! On the other hand, some aerospace phemominon are yet to be fully understood.

[edit on 24-2-2008 by oROSSTAo]

reply to post by Infadel


Who had them stolen from them? If you're referring to WW2, the spoils of war go to the victors

blimp vid
i think many (not all) ufo sightings are military test craft or black projects, but one of the most overlooked type of aircraft is air ships (blimps). the US military has recently contracted both boeing and lockheed martin to make giant lighter than air vehicles for missle defense and material/troop transport.



disc shaped blimp




kind of reminds me of some triangle ufos... these craft would have no motor sounds, and would not appear like conventional aircraft or other civillian blimps (like the goodyear)

Just my two cents worth

sigh.okay

we dont know why ufo's show up in populated areas which are easily visible to folks. that to me lends credit to one of maybe 3 things.

1) those testing the aircraft dont care of a few claimed sightings of a ufo, because at the end of the day, they wont get a good clear video of it, and the mainstream media will not play it over and over all day, like they may do britney spears, and the story will just fall off the map, so to speak.
but still, where did the technology come from. i find it hard to believe that, with all the scientist in the world doing all kinds of research, the government of the u.s somehow has some super special technology they came across behind the scenes, and has been working with for over half a century now. the most likely cause it would seem, is reverse engineering from an alien space craft. plus, ufo's have been reported all through history. i would even argue to say that the aliens have always been here, and contrary to popular belief, are not coming from outer space.

2)they are alien in nature, and for whatever reason, they want to be known to an extent. this would make no sense to me. there is no logic behind partially showing yourself like they do. if you really want someone to know we are watching you, or we are here, you would just land in central park, get out and let people see you, and then hop back in, and take off. assuming that such beings do understand logic. maybe they dont, and there means of communicating with us, is by means we just dont understand why, similar to why a child acts up to get something, rather than just ask. we assume that because they have advanced technology, they are similar to us in human ways, with our rational, and logic, and well, maybe they just arent, and just because they have advanced technology, and are mentally advanced, doesnt mean they think like us, and so in turn, would not do things that we think are logical/rational.

3)its all a ploy, and bull, and we are just being manipulated in a vast conspiracy to control human beings that much more. contrary to popular belief, i would say this make the most logical sense. given the fact that we live in a world, where the only reason poverty, crime, war, religion, etc., exist, and continues to exist, is for ultimate control.

there is no reason gangs should be bullying people in our country the way they do. initiate a gang kill plan, and that problem is over. sounds harsh, but just for sake of argument, lets roll with it. war on drugs is bull crap. they can halt that, and or damn near put an end to it if the government wanted to. poverty, pfft, is money even real nowadays, its just digital numbers in a system somewhere. poverty, hmph, lets fix this, put it on my tab with the other trillion dollars that i will never pay back. basically, as you all should know, many things can easily be fixed in the u.s alone, contrary to some snot nose runt who would rant off some confusing statistics to keep you drooling in a daze of confusion.
but why fix those things, because in fixing those problems, they will be giving us to much free time to actually start thinking again, and using our mind, and realizing that, not from a supernatural point of view, but just from a regular point of view, that we are gods, a very strong army, and no longer will we let a few manipulate hundreds of millions, but the hundreds of millions will now come together and dictate how things roll in search of a greater good, and they dont want that.
aliens are the biggest thing since slice bread. what better way to continue the manipulaton, than through instilling more fear into the weak sheep. now they really can keep us preoccupied. no longer am i concerned just about thugs, the economy, money, my childs college loans, etc.., but now i also am worried about aliens. i think you would find that most people would not break down, but they would just end up giving up more of their life, and personal power over to those they think are seeking the greater good.


excuse the long post. i would say, that given the current state of manipulation of humans that goes on worldwide, than it does sound more logical that this is all a great plan, played by god knows who behind the scenes for longer than we know. religion, the creation of the money system, etc.., it just seems like a well orchestrated game, but for what. who knows. i think occams razor should not be applied here, which is, an alien ship crashed, we reversed engineered it, and we by flyin thangs.

random thoughts

sometimes this life just seems like a big video game. lets create religion and see how they act. cool. how about some internet and wars. cool. hmmm, aliens, now that would be interesting. lets also make another planet that the aliens come from. nice. hate to be so joking, but even if there was some big huge conspiracy going on, would you really ever find the source of it, and if you did, who the hell cares. life is a big game, you either walk through it normally and die, and hopefully resurrect for a new experience, or maybe try to find a few hacks so you can play longer, and harder, but in the end, nothing more than a game. no big reason behind it all, but thats cool. so many different variations can hypothetically exist, so many different ways to play. i for one am entertained. now all i need to do is find the dimension where it is normal to be a super powered ninja. how cake would that be.

you can only blame reptillians, demons, the government, illuminati, etc.., but for so long. how long do you think peace could last on this planet, hell, how long do you think that peace could last in the u.s? point being, a perfect world wont exist, times change, people change, the world changes, and it will never all be good, and it will never all be bad, to much of anything will cause a ripple in the tides to shift the balance. why? who knows. my simplest answer would be to keep the game going. life is a big on going analogy of the world around us, and so i compare life to a video game, in the sense that, how long could you play with one character, on the same easy level setting? not very long im sure, before you up the difficulty, and or create a whole new game with more characters, more complex puzzles, and higher levels of difficulty. no shocker that we as human beings, hell, as conscious entities, do the same got darn thing. our biggest enemy is ourselves, but also our best friend.
good day

i hope someone read my reply. i think its entertaining. all in all, thats my hippy outlook on things. ill save the other stuff for other folks. thats not my game to play. we all play our own games. someones might be to expose reptillians and the nwo. others to bring poverty to an end. others to create a better and booming economy with more happier people. me, i just want to play, and metaphorically speaking, be that ufo in the sky that looks down on everyone, while i whip around through the skies enjoying myself.

we all cant be the same, but to play this alien conspiracy game. my personal opinion is that there are beings who have been here for a while, and so has the technology, and that they may be alien to us, but they may not necessarily be from another planet light years away, but also on top of that, there may or may not also be a grander plan (nwo) of using the fear of et life, as a means to continue to manipulate people. oh, and that we have reverse engineered some crashed craft, and have the technology to build flying saucers or whatever. i guess contrary to maybe my previous typings, im more of a mixture of all three of my thoughts posted in the above reply i made. huh, aint that a b. whatev. i typed so much. did i contradict myself? :/

lets talk about necessary evils. i mean, if there were a master creator trying to maintain the game, as to not have it shutdown from his players realizing there is no point, you must create peace at times, and also create chaos. a necessary evil beyond the average thinking of a human being. random thought. wouldnt you do it to as a creator. if you sat down and made a video game, you would put in chaos and destruction, and also creation and peace. you ever asked yourself why you would do that? because you would, trust me. its the same reason we love dramas. there is a reason behind the great feeling we have of falling, and then rising once again. its epic, and it keeps us entertained, and searching for more experiences in life.

ooops, im ranting

A few thoughts on UFO stories and military response -

1) At least some reports of UFO's are from credible sources. They saw something extraordinary in the sky. ex. Stephenville TX, credible witnesses and some involvement by the military. Phoenix AZ too.

2) The pursuit by our military means to me that there was some threat perceived by our military and that was their response. Why pursue your own people over populated areas? If it was our own - just deny it or put out a lame excuse like usual. Pursuit by jets, and searches by helicopter indicate a serious escalation of concern by military folks.

3) I believe that the source of these flights might be other countries spying or testing our response. Some sort of probing, listening, watching, filming, testing our abilities, etc.

4) The source might be something more exotic too. Thats the most interesting thought of course.

The pursuit factor is definitely something I hadn't considered. I'll think on it and come back to this thread I think.

Originally posted by jimmyx
reply to post by DeltaNine

 

why would the government, if it is so highly classified, fly over places with civilians?. they have thousands of square miles in nevada all sealed off and desolete to test these craft. thats why one would get the idea that they are not from this earth. and that is just the (1) obvious reason.

They do that to create this. People saying its UFO's, look it looks like a tombola hat, its a ufo!!

To create what exactly? You hardly make sense.

Originally posted by DeltaNine
To create what exactly? You hardly make sense.

To create CT's that the general public then dismiss as tripe and that helps keep the cover on there projects.

Originally posted by DeltaNine
I don't see how looking unusual defies logic.

Would you mind elaborating on these conclusions about UFOs not being man made?

Looking unusual does not defy logic and your absolutley right about that.
Well let us first look at what logic means.

Logic (from Classical Greek λόγος logos; meaning word, thought, idea, argument, account, reason, or principle) is the study of the principles and criteria of valid inference and demonstration.
WIKI

So in order for something to be logic it must have reason, account etc. Well we do not know what those crafts are and therefore they are defying logic. Logic to us would be something like a B2 stealth bomber, a jet, a blimp, not a spacecraft which can travel much faster then what we are used to.

If in fact those are government aircrafts then the government has witheld a mass amount of information and money from us, the people. Some will say it is a security measure that the government can't reveal these sensitive information to the people, okay I say then what is the point of having them if they are never going to be released? Why spend our taxpayer money which is needed elsewhere for useless projects which we will never even hear about?

People forget that with these items we can have much cheaper, more efficient and more environmentaly safe energy rather then oil, and gas. It could probably even allow us to hit equillibrium with many other nations. We would not need to manipulate countries for oil, we would not need to war with Iran because they would not need nuclear power. We would make so much more money with space tourism, and eventually most nations would not be under as much stress.

That is why I think it is not the governments technology but another civilization much more advanced then ours. They have a very advanced propulsion and we don't.

It is common knowledge in certain circles that UFOs are above top secret military aircraft. The reason why they fly them over populated areas is they want the population to believe the UFO theories. It is reverse psychology.

This thread is a bit old, but if anyone bothers to search the site they might find it.

In this thread I've broken down just about every classified, secret craft the US, German, Canadian, Russian, etc. have worked on and I think it's pretty conclusive that whatever people are seeing is non-human.

[edit on 1-4-2009 by Xtraeme]

reply to post by Iseek


That's exactly what I am thinking, why would regular military pilots along with the people who gave them the order to fly knew anything about the most secret government programs.

It is almost a fact that the military has secret technology that is 50 years ahead of the civilian one.
That means that they have tech that we will be seeing in 2060, and the flying triangles might be even more advanced then that.

reply to post by DeltaNine


How about the Battle of Los Angeles for example in 1942. People saw up to 25 silvery UFO’s over the city that night. One of them, either having trouble or playing Guinea Pig to test air defenses, hung in the air for an extended length of time. Balloons and dirigibles are among the easiest things in the air to destroy, so we can count that out because not only did the UFO change directions and go against the wind, but this UFO was fired upon over and over and took multiple hits while over the city. Unlike a balloon which would have been shredded, none of the hits brought it down. In fact it came back again to offer more target practice. So here we have an aircraft that can withstand antiaircraft fire and fly slow enough to take all the recon photos one could want and maybe the option to deliver pin point bombing.

Or how about Mount Rainer, 1947, where nine flying saucers were clocked doing 1,800 miles an hour. Even at Arnold’s toned down 1,200 mph that is still much faster than anything the US had flying at the time.

If these were American secret aircraft, what happened to them? If you look at saucer sightings from the 40’s you will find saucer technology that can hover in place and take off at terrific speeds, all without making much of a sound.

Have you seen a car from the 1940’s? Do you realize how old, slow and ungainly they look compared to what is driven today? Where are these military aircraft that could hover silently as well as travel at a thousand miles an hour? Where are they today? What museum are they in? What are their names and numbers? Where are the missing hot shot pilots who flew them?

Or have these saucers been updated like the B52? Would the military really put tons of money into updating a design from the 1940’s? If so, why does the military fly junk like the Nighthawk and B2 when in the 40’s they were flying saucers that were much superior to both? Why spend millions of dollars to fly a stealth fighter when a 40’s saucer could fly circles around it?

Neither the Nighthawk, the Blackbird, or the U2 have UFO flight characteristics and cannot account for UFO sightings. But like the Aurora [named after the 1897 UFO crash], the US military does have secret aircraft, but all of these aircraft are alien tech, taken from the saucer crashes of the 40’s, 50’s and 60’s. Those saucers seen flying in the skies 70 years ago were being flown by beings from another planet.

Secret military craft are not responsible for sightings such as saucers, cigars and triangles

reply to post by Equinox99


Because these aircraft utilise propulsion methods that would make all are previous transport technologies obsolete.
If countries such as China, Russia knew about them, they would start an arms race deploying similar technology.
Companies such as Boeing and the Lockheed Martin would face bankruptcy.

Also, it would render oil obsolete, and the american economy would collapse.

reply to post by spiritualarchitect


The mass sightings of ufo's in the late 40s were stolen Nazi aircraft acquired in the end of ww2.

And the military isn't flying the Nighthawk anymore, it's been retired and replaced with the f 22 raptor.