Another Misquote Regarding The Billy Meier Hoax

reply to post by Teri Uhouse

What did they witness to? UFO's? AND? What does that mean? It does not give Billy Meier much credence other than he and 15 other people saw UFO's. It does nothing to indicate that Meier had anything to do with it other than just being in the area.

Oh COME ON!!! - are you for real or what????!! - this kind of glossing over the subject just doesn't cut it at all. To the neutral objective reader - it might sound that you are being 'scientific' but in reality this attitude is entirely and hugely over-dismissive here on this point. In any case - it's not true what you are saying - its not just a matter of billy just being in the area - many of the sightings and events revolve around him i.e. he is entirely the focal or pivot point around which these phenomenal events have occured - i.e. a random example that springs to the top of my mind being that of the ufo sounds recording...witnessed by a great no. of people - and that was heard at a great distance away from its point of seeming mysterious origin i.e that being there seemed to be no visible source of the sound itself.

the eye witness factor could well be the hardest thing to fake in real terms - think about it - up to 100 or so very very ordinary rural folk - with highly bizarre encounters that serve to lend further credence to the case - ie revolving around the affairs of Billy Meier - thats not easily arrived at..in fact by all accounts - is fairly unprecedented. To sweep this away then to conclude - is nothing short of being ENTIRELY DISMISSIVE!

some interviews can be found on one of the google videos
(think its this one - but if not one of the other 2 - lenghty ufo conference split into 3 parts)

Google Video Link

I realized just about a week ago whom Billy Meier reminds me of as far as his mannerisms and expression. That would be none other than the intrinsic sociopath (psychopath), Charles Manson.

Making these kinds of HIGHLY TENUOUS!! comparisions between Billy and Charles Manson - is not only ludicrous and preposterous - but also borders on character defamation! - dude you are not really going to achieve anything by going in that direction!! - as anybody with any real discerning power can see for the certainty that it is that - billy's disposition - is in NO WAY that of the deceiving kind - and indeed this point itself - has routinely been observed - by a very very many person countless times over.
And obviously of course this point not counting for any hard fact - nonetheless on the other hand this issue not counting for absolutely nothing either - the vast majority of people are no fools are indeed are not easily fooled.

As far as the Military expert what's his verifiable name and credentials? Without that you don't have a valid scientific argument.

Also more recently billy's truthfulness was given approval by top notch nuero linguistic expert - these guys are used in the military and realy know their stuff - ie that being case in point - Michael Arndt NLP trainer Consultant to US Army Special Forces and US Corporations - details of that can be seen in the new film entitled 'The Silent Revolution of Truth'

I recommend that everyone go check it out!

MAke no mistake - Billy is for real

one of the thousand or so UNDEBUNKED photos taken by billy meier of ET spacecraft/ufos


[edit on 31-8-2008 by gib_niner]

reply to post by gib_niner



uh, i actually read the links you posted. it was hard sometimes, but i guess it's a necessary evil if you want to do something about such groups, when they're spreading the bull...


let me just adress the passage about chemicals which destroy ozone in the text: it turns out there's something to it, read on,

www.accesstoenergy.com...

But all of this is unsurprising politics. One of the several points that I did not know about and that truly shocked me was the case of Mt. Erebus on Ross Island in the Ross Sea in Antarctica. It is an active volcano that has three stunning properties:

Unlike ordinary volcanoes, which erupt from time to time, this one is active in a continuous eruption all the time;

it spews out more than 1,000 tonnes of chlorine per day¾ that's right, not per year (which would be about 370,000 tonnes), but per day, whence the antarctic jet stream carries it into the stratosphere;

it is located 15 km upwind from the observation station in the McMurdo Sound, where scientists measure the chlorine concen-tration of the antarctic atmosphere, the very chlorine that, the ozone flacks claim, provides the "link" to CFCs and the ozone hole.

Your first reaction to all this is probably the same as mine:

"I don't believe it." But the authors give good references...


A stable or downward trend in UV-B radiation reaching the earth is observed for all eight measuring stations.

It was shut down in 1985-6, that's what. Too expensive, went the official explanation by the government that is spending $7.5 billion on the Supercollider. More likely, the data brought in by the pro-gram were too embarrassing. Although the Greens rarely pay attention to facts, these data did disturb them, and they attributed the decrease to pollution in the cities, where the data were taken (Bis-marck N.D., Tallahassee, Fla., and Albuquerque, N.M. polluted?) J. Scotto, a widely respected researcher at the National Cancer In-stitute, refuted this in Science of 11/25/89, pointing to the Mauna Loa observatory in Hawaii which is hardly in a polluted area, yet registered no increase in UV-B from 1974 to 1985.

don't get me wrong, why use CFCs when there are alternatives? chlorine and fluorine don't sound too good (healthy) to me, no matter how stable a compound actually is, so the ban is OK, but:

www.futureofmankind.co.uk...

For many tens of years we have been studying all phases of your world. The ceaseless change goes on, and too there are very dangerous developments. For many years a dangerous change has been taking place in your stratosphere that has a deadly portent for all earthly life. An increasing decay in the ozone belt of the stratosphere is being caused by the continuous production of ozone destroying chemical substances that rise as gas into the stratosphere and damage the ozone belt. Especially destructive is the brom gas that rises into the ionosphere and slowly disintegrates it. Up to now the average loss is 6.38 percent.

bromide gas i must admit i've never heard of in the context of ozone depletion, still more puzzling is the notion that it afects the so - called ionosphere, which is located beyond a shuttle's orbit, at altitudes of ~900km


therefore, the ozone depletion passage is pure bunkum anyway, because O3 has a half life of 21 minutes (iirc) and has to be constantly renewed under UV radiation.

tell me why an interstellar traveller wouldn't know that?


i don't know who wrote all this, it's a lot and has many leads into various other fringe areas, which i am not going to elaborate, because i've seen certain things 'change' after pointing them out. what seems obvious is that it's a concerted effort by people who actually do a lot of broad and relatively diligent research. why they're doing it remains a mystery to me, but they're deceiving their readers without a doubt. might be for 'good' reasons, might be for kicks, the strange thing is that people who wish to believe in big lies cannot be possibly dissuaded by either reason or bad experience or both. they just go on. brainwash appears to work, unfortunately.


these other UFO photos, similar to Meier's but at longer range prove there's a common element, it would be a piece of cake to introduce a few fakes into UFOlogy and claim precedence. something this group in particular is well known for, i might add.

0,02

[edit on 2008.9.2 by Long Lance]

reply to post by Long Lance


you could well be in the wrong....I think some of that theory in relation to bromine did indeed receive some scientific backing from some quarters - can't recall where that was - If i find it I'll post it... anyway in the mean-time...here is more info...for you to digest...



The environment according to the P's

The Ozone Problem

For many years the Pleiadians have controlled the dangerous effects we cause by our irresponsibility toward nature. Many different chemicals are let loose into the atmosphere, including Bromine gas, which slowly dissolves the ozone layer. In the first contacts in 1975 they told Billy that the ozone layer is 6.38 % affected and destroyed. This began 60 years ago!! It allows ultraviolet radiation into the atmosphere affecting all creatures. There are currently three different areas where the danger exists. Bromine gas is not the only source of the problem. Our scientists are aware that explosion motors and matter destroying processes of other sorts, including atom splitting devices also contribute to the problem.

Since 1945 the problem has increased greatly due to the splitting of the atom. Some governments have designed missiles that release bromine gas into the atmosphere as a weapon stupidly thinking that such an action would be harmless to their own country. To close these ozone holes may take hundreds of years. The problem looks worse than we realize. The holes can wander. Billy has contacted Mr. McElroy at Harvard University with this information but has received no reply. The splitting of the atom is a far greater danger than we realize.

Setting atomic energies free creates radiations of electrical energy at very high frequencies. This is not to be contused with what we think of as electricity but of a different kind of electrical energy around the ultra violet radiation field which our scientists are not aware of yet. Normally, this energy mingles with oxygen to generate huge quantities of ozone. Normally there is 1 part ozone to 500,000 parts air. When an explosion occurs due to atom splitting, the ozone value increases to 28 parts. These dangerous energies then destroy many varieties of microorganisms important to the preservation of all earthly life.

The ozone value then decreases very rapidly. The effects of these energies can continue for hundreds of years. Atomic explosions also effect the van Allen girdle by disturbing the electrons and photons important to the function of Earth life. The girdle exists at the height of 1000 kilometers and consists of charged particles in constant motion traveling in a spiral-like course from pole to pole. Billy sent letters to many universities and governments about this problem but did not receive one reply. ( The problem is worse today, just as predicted.)

The atom bomb tests are very dangerous. There is a SECRET - Doomsday Device, more dangerous the atom bomb. If used it would cause a chain reaction that would take seven-eight minutes to cause a firestorm and destroy the planet.

The Earth is 646 billion years old, the sun is 1 trillion 730 billion. The Oil reserves will be exploited in 27 and one half years. Oil is a lifeform, like a germ to the Earth.

We have used 65 billion tons of oil so far. 20 billion tons have been damaged by atom bomb testing. A planet like Earth produce 1 billion tons of oil every billion years. We have exploited 1/10 of our oil. It would take 118 billion years to replace it naturally. We have destroyed too many elements in the ground. 35 Years ago there was 86.1% fertile ground - today 39.7%

The five most important things we can do for the planet:

1. Reduce the population to under 1 billion

2. Stop robbing the Earth of oil, gas, ores, etc..

3. Stop the atom testing, under ground explosions

4. Tear down all dams

5. Tear down the nuclear power stations

I really don't think all of these threads on Meier are necessary anymore, if they ever were. There is a pic of the wedding cake photo sitting near Billy's house. To the top left, lying on the hull of the ship is a spike that fell out of place. You see the spike. You see the hole from which it fell. You see that whoever took the picture of this model didn't catch the problem.

It took me 20+ emails with Michael Horn to finally get his comment on this (because, as Derek points out, all he does in the face of facts is deflect). This is the direct quote from Horn:

"MIsperceptions, i.e. ASSUMPTIONS are as follows:

spikes
hole
spike lying on the hull

HOW do you know that those are what you think they are?

You don't know what you're looking at and your prejudices are causing you to make unsubstantiated assumptions..."

THAT is undeniably wrongheaded. Delusional? I'm guessing, yeah. But at least irrational. Beyond that, it's actually the question he needs to ask himself because Meier is the one making extraordinary claims with photographic evidence:

How do you know those are what you think they are, Michael? You don't know what you're looking at and your prejudices are causing you to make unsubstantiated assumptions.

This means that for all his huffing and puffing and posing as a man of facts ready to do serious intellectual battle with anyone who dares challenge the Meier myth, he's actually just a zealous guy who will say anything to not have to look in the mirror and realize he's wasted his life defending a liar.

That's it.

The end.

That this photo shows what I report here is not in contention but for the fundamentalist true believer posing as an open-minded, fair spokesman who would gladly give it up if it were proven false.

Michael: It's proven false and you can't give it up. Seriously, take a look at yourself, man. This is insane.

If you want the full story & photo go here and scroll down:

cultureofcontact.squarespace.com...

Odds are, you know exactly which photo I'm talking about without going there and now that you've read Michael Horn's response, you can see that no amount of rational discourse is going to change his mind, for it is one-track.


[edit on 4-9-2008 by Jeremy_Vaeni]

Dear Lord I promise I'll be super good this year if you would please just make these Billy Meier threads disappear along with all their believers and debunkers. Please forgive them for they know not what they do. I know its hard look upon your human creations when they act so childishly, but they are good people inside...I think.

Amen.

P.S. Teri Uhouse and David Biedny need some ice water. Its pretty hot where they are right now. Oh, and please forgive Jeremy Vaeni's attempts at humor.






[edit on 4-9-2008 by NightVision]

Originally posted by NightVision
Dear Lord I promise I'll be super good this year if you would please just make these Billy Meier threads disappear along with all their believers and debunkers. Please forgive them for they know not what they do. I know its hard look upon your human creations when they act so childishly, but they are good people inside...I think.

Amen.

P.S. Teri Uhouse and David Biedny need some ice water. Its pretty hot where they are right now. Oh, and please forgive Jeremy Vaeni's attempts at humor.

[edit on 4-9-2008 by NightVision]

That's a cute analysis signifying nothing and all but...where did I make a joke? Oh, right, I didn't. I actually wrote it as plainly as possible. And it is accurate.

THE END.

Originally posted by Jeremy_Vaeni


That's a cute analysis signifying nothing and all but...where did I make a joke? Oh, right, I didn't. I actually wrote it as plainly as possible. And it is accurate.

THE END.

Yeah, you pretty much just proved my point for me. Thank you. You did it more eloquently than I could have.

Originally posted by NightVision

Originally posted by Jeremy_Vaeni


That's a cute analysis signifying nothing and all but...where did I make a joke? Oh, right, I didn't. I actually wrote it as plainly as possible. And it is accurate.

THE END.

Yeah, you pretty much just proved my point for me. Thank you. You did it more eloquently than I could have.

And you've proven mine.

Oh wait. Neither are true.

My original post contained zero comedy so you're just a smarmy 'tard causing trouble. Wow, on a message board?--NO WAY! Now come back when you have a decent answer for Michael Horn's real rebuttal to a real image of a fake space ship.

Originally posted by Jeremy_Vaeni

My original post contained zero comedy so you're just a smarmy 'tard causing trouble.

Spoken like a champion. -882 isn't nearly enough. Come back when you can think of a more creative insult. Honestly, I expected more from you.

reply to post by derekcbart


Mr Bartholomaus.

Can you be completely certain that this is the same Dr that Horn is quoting from in his video?

Don't get me wrong, I thing the whole Meier situation is bunk and Mr Horn is an out and out fraud but to further that claim, it would be nice to have complete evidence.
He didn't even claim that he wasn't the Doctor.

Also, could we please see the email you sent to him? By his abrupt reply I would presume you didn't explain yourself properly, which would be a real shame.

Please let us know any proof you have that this is the same Doctor that Horn claims credited the film and also please paste the email you sent the Dr.

I would be happy to email him again, professionally and politely (that isn't to say you weren't professional and polite in your message), giving him full details and even offering him some advice about how to make a claim against Michael "Horny" Horn, if he so desires.

Cheers mate!
You are on a good crusade! It upsets me when people stumble upon Meier's work and become excited, running around, shouting that they have complete proof.

I remember seeing this crap when I was nine years old and I rumbled him immediately.

All the best
Me

Since we don't know each other you should have no expectations. (Unless you are Michael Horn, as accused, in which case this makes total sense.)

Do you have anything constructive to add to what I originally posted or are you just another "I want the truth too" kinda liar like Horn?

We can go on forever doing the oneupmanship thing but let's not. I'd be more interested to learn what you actually think about Horn's response to that photo and what you think of the photo itself.

Originally posted by jritzmann
reply to post by AGENT51

 

Tongue firmly in cheek young man.

Just a nod to my greatly overstated abilities by the fingernail art inventing, film producing, elderly aerobics instructing, water filtration engineering, published songwriter, singer, music and video producer, humorist, science researcher, and writer...Mike Horn.

He's so funny. Life's all about the people that make you smile.

[edit on 22-2-2008 by jritzmann]

Jeff. I think Agent51's tongue was certainly in cheek too. Not your cheek though, I hope... in fact, not any of your cheeks!!


Ewww. Sorry, I've lowered the tone. A51 was making a joke though, taking the piss out of the Meier wedding cake.

reply to post by derekcbart


Derek. You are doing a great job mate! Keep it up and if I can ever do anything to help, please don't hesitate to get in touch with me. NOt that there is anything specific that I could do but I would just love to see this case underwate with concrete boots, once and for all.

Good luck and all the best!

Originally posted by triplesod
taking the piss out of the Meier wedding cake.

LOL...I'm all about that too...although not much these days, as there's just better stuff to devote time to rather then beating the dead horse, shooting fish in the barrel...you get the idea.

reply to post by Springer


Springer. I see your "learn to talk British" lessons are going well
I'd already seen several "mates" in your post, it's good to see you have taken the next level now to mild British swear words, like "bloody". I'm sure your tapes will be teaching it you soon but "pillock" is another good one, as in, "did you really think you would get away with conning people that these bin tops and hub caps are alien craft, tssch, ya daft pillock!".:-)

Originally posted by Orion437

Originally posted by derekcbart

Well, I just heard back from Professor Hanley and this is what he had to say:
From: Donald Hanley
Date: February 22, 2008 9:02:02 AM PST
To: Derek Bartholomaus
Subject: RE: Forestry Quotation Question

I have no idea how you got my name nor do I wish to comment on these photos. Do not continue to use my name in this fashion.

Don Hanley
WSU Extension Forester

This answer is strange. It doesn´t make any sense as an answer.

Anyone would be interested, for example: How did my name get in that video? Where did you get it? How can i contact the maker of the video?

But..."i do not wish to comment on these photos,do not continue to use my name in this fashion"? what is that answer?

Yeah. That is why I asked Des for the email he sent. I would like to know what provoked the DR/Prof to reply in this way. I'm sure that could be answered after reading the original email.

Originally posted by Springer
The general counsel of Oregon State University should have a field day with this.

I spoke with a "legal eagle" about this and he said this could get real ugly real fast for MH and company. Especially since they are selling the DVDs.

Derek keep up the excellent work.

There's nothing like the truth is there?

Springer...

I hope so, I really do. I do not agree with the suing culture in the USA (nor do I really understand it, so my passion against it is low) but I would like to see Horn get all he deserves for this.

As far as I see it, the man is praying on the delusional, the immature, the naive and the mentally impressionable with this.

To me, this is not so dissimilar to the conman who walks into an old dears house, claiming to be a copper or gas man and goes on to take her for everything she owns.

Originally posted by lyingunderoath

Originally posted by Springer
The general counsel of Oregon State University should have a field day with this.

I spoke with a "legal eagle" about this and he said this could get real ugly real fast for MH and company. Especially since they are selling the DVDs.

Derek keep up the excellent work.

There's nothing like the truth is there?

Springer...

No doubt some many love to get a lawyer involved...and no doubt the Meier case has been beaten to death to all the real truth seekers. Give'um a good kick in the ribs.
Now lets let loose the lawyers on the silly hoxes in this site too....but that might be bad for their business...so whos really dirty, and making a living off this site every day??

Is this still English?

Originally posted by VisionQuest
I agree. This case has already been beaten to death. It almost seems like the Meier detractors are keeping it alive by continuing to give it attention when there alot more other places to focus the UFO issue on. Just my two cents, but its a free country so have at it. I always get hungry when they start talking about the wedding cake ship.

I dunno if this is the only conspiracy/unexplained website you visit but believe me, it is not the detractors that are keeping this alive. My Corn is all over the internet, promoting his "work" everywhere he can until he gets banned. The Black Vault has had to go through exactly the same thing as we had to go through with him.

No, this is alive and kicking until someone puts a stop to it and Des is trying to do just that and he deserves all out support!

Originally posted by rocksarerocks
I don't need some tree expert to tell me the guy is a thief, a liar, and a downright CRIMINAL who I'd love to meet in a dark alley.

So, why would you want to meet him down a dark alley? I don't presume it's so you can get a bit of romance. Could it be so you could kick his head in?

What is worse, a thief and a liar or a belligerent, aggressive bully who would like to release his suppressed anger on someone by way of broken bones and bloodied pavement?

What a nice person you are.

There was a serial killer in my town, in Manchester (UK) several years ago, he killed at least 250 people and up to 400 people. He killed my friends grandma. I remember my friend telling me what he was going to do when he saw the killers son.

I'll never forget that he (and others) wanted to take all their anger out on someone completely innocent, in fact, someone who was probably suffering more than they were.

Sorry. Unrelated but for whatever reason your post made me remember it.

[edit on 4-9-2008 by triplesod]