The Big Bang Cycle?

Every minute action in all of the universe would be exactly the same within each cycle.

The entire afterlife concept would be destroyed because we would know that we will definatly live again - in this universe, in our bodies.

You must have an odd definition of "live" if you consider having every thought, action, decision, emotion, feeling, and thing we will ever say, do, or have, to be "living".

Also, not just religions and governments will be upset.

Just think how the people you love will feel when they discover that you don't actually love them, that it's just the way the universe arranged itself.
There would be no sacrifice, no acts of kindness, no reason to struggle or stand up for what you love or what you believe in.
There would be no reason to do anything, and anything you did do wouldn't even be your choice.

You call that life?

when I said live, i meant it in the clinical term, as in have a heart beat, breath air ect.

but what you said is exactly my point! It would undermind our entire existance wouldn't it? It is a frightening thought, but to assume that we are more significant then that is very arogant. We are so very small in the grand scheme of things.

Also someone mentioned particals passing through a mirroror something to that extent to illustrate how there are "random" events in our universe. My idea is based on a unified theory. In this all physics would be explained and related. It would explain EVERYTHING in our universe, and so would also explain why anything that seems random to us actually happened.

Been saying this around here for awhile now. The universe is a massive cycle, one of countless before? and countless more in future.

The real question is this? What survives that cycle?

must be some sort of information that survives, and btw when light get sucked into a black hole,(goes past event horizen), it wouldnt add to the black holes mass would it??? unless the black hole is a giant energy to matter conversion factory? converting all energy into matter to reignite the big bang? and btw once the neutrons repulsive force fails and collapses to a black hole, shouldnt it collapse more?? i mean there is then Quarks.(1 up and 2 down quarks giving 3)

According to the standard model of particle physics, the fundamental forces (strong, weak, electromagnetic and gravity) are predicted to occur as a result of an exchange between particles via "force carrying particles".

if this is so then there must be some sort of exchange to and from the black hole right???:puzfor the gravity: predicted graviton does not exist then?)

random theory below:

and the quarks are constantly reforming when being pushed together to create nucleons and giving off energy(mass defect?:
The mass defect is simply the amount of mass (or energy) that is released when protons and neutrons come together to form a nucleus. Generally, the greater the amount of mass defect per nucleon, the more stable the nucleus.) is this giving of energy? could explain hawking radiation?

im not to sure what im talking about about the mass defect stuff lol.


[Edited on 18-2-2004 by quiksilver]

Originally posted by THENEO
The real question is this? What survives that cycle?

If humans survive and evolve until the time when this becomes an issue then don't be surprised if we stop the universe from ending.

Originally posted by MrJingles
This cannot be true since infinity can be measure by time. Of course this theory only holds true if the universe is infinite (thats another discussion)

Isn't infinity timeless, hence infinity. It's can't be measured by time or anything else.

do you really think infinity actually exists in the real world, apart from mathematical viewpoint we have of nature, which it often doesnt follow anyway? i mean you just cant have infinity of somthing, just think about it.

Originally posted by quiksilver
do you really think infinity actually exists in the real world, apart from mathematical viewpoint we have of nature, which it often doesnt follow anyway? i mean you just cant have infinity of somthing, just think about it.

infinity is another one of those concepts that the human brain cant deal with. u can have infinity very easily, as long as u allow for a sufficient a.k.a. infinte amount of time to ellapse. its tuff, but without it some freaky # must be goin on

infinity is easy enough to understand, but much more difficult to except. I don't know what to think of the concept - I think we are all much to primitive to think think that we have a grasp on something of that magnitude. If there is an end to everything, it may not be what we except. for instance, with the big bang cycle and our universe, the universe may have an end, but it could be the farthest point you could get from the 2 black holes merging that have been assumed in this thread, before you were sucked back in.

like if you could freeze time at any one moment. the universe would be a finite size wouldnt it? but since time is going on for infinity then the size of the universe is classified as infinity right?, because it will keep on growing, i meann when u think of a line of numbers going on to infinity, its a potential infinity but its not a actual infinity yet because u havent thought to that much yet but yet it has the potential to do so. if u get my drift...

Originally posted by quiksilver
i meann when u think of a line of numbers going on to infinity, its a potential infinity but its not a actual infinity yet because u havent thought to that much yet but yet it has the potential to do so. if u get my drift...

You can't ever reach infinity by counting.

Originally posted by quiksilver
like if you could freeze time at any one moment. the universe would be a finite size wouldnt it? but since time is going on for infinity then the size of the universe is classified as infinity right?, because it will keep on growing, i meann when u think of a line of numbers going on to infinity, its a potential infinity but its not a actual infinity yet because u havent thought to that much yet but yet it has the potential to do so. if u get my drift...

well, not necessarily, its very possible that the universe isnt expanding indefinitely, and will infact crunch back together. the 'big crunch theory', im sure uve heard it. if the universe crunches, then there is no time. if it is expanding indefinitely, well then yeah, it will reach infinity. theres other factors, as always, but thats basically it.

You can't ever reach infinity by counting.

if u cud live long enuf u cud

You can't ever reach infinity by counting.

if u cud live long enuf u cud

Infinity is not a number. It's a concept.

There is no number one less than infinity.

exactly what im saying, you cant reach infinity but it is there, you cant get infinity numbers but infinity numbers exist. like time, there is a potential for infinity time, but since it is progressing at a certain rate, then it will never be infinity. you could have a infinitely dense space, but it wouldnt be because at any given moment it is progressing towards a higher number forever more, but it will never actually reach infinity, i mean 1 google could be 1 short of infinity or google x big big number away.

infinity is a concept. u will never ever reach it, or come anywhere near to reaching it.
on the scale of the universe, however, it is quite different. things still are never reaching it, yet some things will, just by the very nature of the universe.
if ur having trouble contemplating that end, think about the other. imagine, there was a time t=0, when there was nothing, nothing. there wasnt even nothing for nothing to exist in. how? that seems to me a much much harder concept to grapple with

isnt time just another concept to give like, 'motion' or 'action' to energy and or matter? so if no time?? then nothing would have started?? then the real question is, does time exist OUTSIDE the universe. if it does, then time is no more a 4d plane in OUR universe, but a universal(on a much larger scale) dimension or somthing.

think this, light = c and time = 1 and they are related right?

so time = 2 then light = c sqaured? so for 3 dimensions or somthing, light = c cubed ?? or is this just a bunch of nonsense lol.

A different description of a black hole. Let me quote:

�LOS ALAMOS, N.M., April 21, 2002 -- Researchers from the U.S. Department of Energy's Los Alamos National Laboratory and the University of South Carolina have provided a hypothesis that "black holes" in space are not holes at all, but instead are more akin to bubbles.�

Seems the matter and time the black hole consumes is probably in that "bubble".

�The Gravastar explanation for black holes helps provide answers to some of the daunting questions raised by traditional black-hole descriptions. Based on earlier-held astrophysical explanations, black holes form in space when stars reach the end of their lives and collapse in on themselves. According to black hole theory, the matter from these dying stars occupies a tiny amount of space � a mere pinpoint � and creates a mind-boggling gravitational field so powerful that nothing can escape, not even light.�

�The space trapped inside the Gravastar's shell is a similarly uncanny conceptually. The interior of the Gravastar would be totally warped space-time (the traditional three dimensions plus time). According to the researchers, this interior space would exert an outward force on the shell, adding to its durability.�

Gravastar would contain all three dimensions and time. If everything is still inside the black hole it would seem possible that it could expel this energy and time at some point.

Originally posted by kinglizard
Gravastar would contain all three dimensions and time. If everything is still inside the black hole it would seem possible that it could expel this energy and time at some point.

due to all the energy a black hole would have accumulated, i wud say one thing: ouch. major ouch.
thatd be one helluva bang. not big, but helluva, big's taken

not the big bang but the helluva bang