Kent Hovind EVOLUTION booklet

Hovind is popular because their is a demand for proof of religious beliefs for which he is the supply. Simple economics. If there is a demand then someone will provide a supply.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

Originally posted by Clearskies
I love Dr. Hovind.
Evolutionists hate him.

you shouldn't love him... i mean, he was outwitted by ali g...

in fact, here's a thorough rebuttal of pretty much anything and everything he's said
www.kent-hovind.com...


and he uses that term "Doctor" so loosely
he's a "Doctor" of evangelism...

Aren't ministries supposed to be tax exempt?

it isn't recognized as such. he either didn't apply or couldn't meet the requirements.

and...well...
here's the full story

Kent Hovind.com does have the supposed 'everything to discredit Hovind, but have you really read it?

His name is unimportant call him dude, hey, sir, etc. His name is irrelevant.

Hovind is a liar, making money from lies he sells to gullible people who want to hear his lies.

He begins his series of several hundred lies on page for of the Acrobat document: "Some people believe in the evolution theory, which teaches that we all came from a rock 4.6 billion years ago." Great big lie.

Isn’t that what Evolution teaches? Hovind isn’t a liar, he states his opinion, if that is lying then I guess everybody is wrong.

Hovind has several conspiracy theories about the U.S. government. He believes that Laetrile actually works as a "cancer cure" and teaches that the US government is conspiring to suppress a cure for cancer.[22] On his radio program he has said that the U.S. government was behind the 9/11 attacks and that a "lot of folks were told not to come to work."[67] He also believes the Oklahoma City bombing was carried out by the government. "Did you know the Federal Government blew up their own building to blame it on the militias and to get rid of some people that weren't cooperating with the system?"[68] He also alleges that "UFOs are apparitions of Satan" and that the US government possesses UFOs.[68] Additionally, Hovind believes that the Federal Reserve, the Council on Foreign Relations, the United Nations, and various other groups are actively planning to create a one world government and that the 1993 World Trade Center attack was staged by the US Government in order to pass "anti-terrorism" legislation that restricts civil liberties. He says, "I love my country, but fear my government. And you should too."[69]

As part of his "one world government" conspiracy theory, Hovind also believes that HIV, West Nile Fever, Gulf war syndrome, chronic fatigue syndrome, multiple sclerosis, Wegener's disease, Parkinson's disease, Crohn's colitis, Type I diabetes, and collagen-vascular diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis and Alzheimer's were all engineered by "the money masters and governments of the world" for the purpose of global economic domination.

Thanks for the post but we are talking about Hovind’s evolution theories. Bringing up other stuff only increases the moving away from the original subject.

It would benefit you to read the articles again. The authors DO NOT propose that life evolved FROM rocks.

Are you engaged in spreading lies as well?

Spreading lies? Actually they said that : A naturally occurring organophilic zeolite--called mutinaite--was recently discovered in Antarctica, and Smith thinks that this
mineral could provide the key to the chemical evolution that led to the origin of life

To me that is called proposing (putting it out there) that life may have started from that thing.

So is Hovind really that stupid or does does he just do it for a joke?

It's really a case of spot the fact amongst the lies, out of date information, missing information, general non sequiters and other misleading nonsense .......




And I love the way he claims something didn't happen, fails to provide the information that shows it did happen, and then offers an alternative explanation with no evidence whatsoever to support it other than the word of the Almighty Ken Hovind (just see his imaginary lake which suddenly drained in a matter of weeks to form the Grand Canyon as a good example! )

Could you list the lies. And give an example of how he claims something that didn’t happen. With the Grand Canyon he says correctly that people believe that the river cut through it and then he says I believe that is wrong and gives his explanation.

You are as wrong as Hovind and either are unable to comprehend the material or are purposefully attempting to deceive.

The method proposed in the articles is not suggesting "life came from rocks" period. By claiming the material say otherwise, you're promoting falsehoods.

Looking at the article you should see that they propose that in fact life came from something mineral like. So what is the article proposing?

Regarding the apparent irreducible complexity o

apparent irreducible complexity of the bacterial flagellum, he is wrong. Bacterial mutations exist which retain movement so in this case, we have to reject Hovind's and Behe's argument.

I don’t quite understand what you said. Could you elaborate?

(emphasis mine)

The statement "on the surfaces of" that I emphasized above should be a sufficient statement for anyone with a rudimentary reading comprehension to understand.

(emphasis mine)

Again, a clearly expressed statement, "could have been facilitated", is of sufficient clarity for those with basic reading comprehension skills.


Those who are not attempting to twist basic words into deceptive falsehoods will understand these statements to clearly indicate the hypothesis presented is not suggesting "life came from rocks".

On the surface of? So when is on the surface of a rock not considered part of the rock? What is it suggesting?

Good grief. This guys problem with evolution is that it gives him a moral crisis because if no-one is telling him how to be nice to people, he doesn't see the point?

His little list on page 7 was wonderful. Yes, each point was true. The utter, cold, uncaring truth. It is a shame the universe is like that, but what are you gonna do?

Man should be proud of the achievements he makes for himself, like the concepts of mercy, justice, charity and love. Why should we feel like we should pass the kudos for these incredible feats to someone else? We did it, we should pat ourselves on the back.

I don’t quite understand what you are getting at, please explain.

Steve, any chance you could edit your posts and use the [quote ] [/ quote] feature to indicate which are your comments and which are those of other members to whom you're responding? Only as it stands it's a bit confusing

handbook.abovetopsecret.com...

There, fixed up but I can't delete my previous posts. Any help here guys? My answers are different from the previous 2 posts.

Originally posted by arius
This has been hashed so many times I almost didn't post. People aren't reading it because they know he is an idiot. If it was on the New York Times best seller list I wouldn't waste my time on his dribble..................................

Oh, My Gosh! I just looked out my window and saw a Tyrannosaurus Rex! It was being ridden by three pygmies from the congo. They told me dyno riding is pretty common among the pygmies as the congo is full of dinosaurs.

An idiot? Why, because he posts material contradicting your opinion? Until the evolution theory is proven beyond a reasonable doubt, I will hold to my opinion and say that evolution is false.

Originally posted by arius
The burden of proof is on you. Who's to say that little green fairies don't exist?

So is the burden of proof on you if evolution is found to be false? If you want to believe little green fairies exist, that’s fine. Just don’t go around stating it as a fact unless you have proof (facts) that little green fairies exist.

Originally posted by bobafett1972
Well, I read it until I could not stop laughing.

I could not ignore the complete contradictions of the PDF file. The whole "Green Cheese" thing had me in tears. Why? Because all organized religion do the same exact thing. Let's have some supposed preposterous thing discovered and then worship it. Be it a gourd or a shoe. It is all the same.

Then there is the going on about if evolution were true then life is just about partying and passing on our genes! Yeah, okay. Another contradiction. Worship the almighty, follow the rules and get into the kingdom. I've sinned, I have really, really sinned. Hell, I was born, that is one of the biggest right there. So the only point of being born and living is to worship a so-called creator, just so I can live with said individual in the afterlife? I should just off myself now if this is the case.


It really, at least to me, was all just opinions and conjecture.

He doesn't know. I don't know. That is the fun of it: the ride.

Contradictions? Please elaborate on your point and provide information on where you believe there is contradictions. What do all organized religions do? To you God may be a preposterous thing but to me I find it quite valuable. And don’t use that “well I can’t see him so He isn’t here”. Do you use that same logic to discuss gravity? Or Air?

On that point I disagree with Hovind. Just because you don’t follow a religion doesn’t mean you’re a horrible person; although it does give wiggle room for a person to say “well there isn’t a God so I can do anything I want and I won’t get in trouble for it”.

If you have sinned God can forgive you, that is why He came down from Earth and died on the cross. Being born is not a sin, correct me on that other Christian followers. Not necessarily. Our entire life isn’t meant just to worship God, although I believe we are meant to worship every Sunday and kept the 4th commandment. Our life was meant to be the happiest experience we could ever have. I heard somewhere that Earth is the best place for those who don’t believe in a God and the worst place for those who do believe in God; compared to where we are going.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

Originally posted by Clearskies
I love Dr. Hovind.
Evolutionists hate him.

you shouldn't love him... i mean, he was outwitted by ali g...

in fact, here's a thorough rebuttal of pretty much anything and everything he's said
www.kent-hovind.com...


and he uses that term "Doctor" so loosely
he's a "Doctor" of evangelism...

Aren't ministries supposed to be tax exempt?

it isn't recognized as such. he either didn't apply or couldn't meet the requirements.

and...well...
here's the full story

KentHovind.com is nothing more than a website with opinions contrasting Mr. Hovind’s opinions. If there really was some facts behind that website I would no longer believe in Kent, although just because I don’t believe in Kent doesn’t mean I’m going to fail to keep faith in God or not believe that evolution is a lie.

His name really doesn’t matter. Once people start injecting personal items in the mix it clearly shows the other person is loosing the conversation. You can call him ‘hey dude’ or whatever you like. Just don’t stray away from the message.

Originally posted by mister.old.school
Hovind is a liar, making money from lies he sells to gullible people who want to hear his lies.

He begins his series of several hundred lies on page for of the Acrobat document: "Some people believe in the evolution theory, which teaches that we all came from a rock 4.6 billion years ago." Great big lie.

Hovind is not a liar. He simply thinks that evolution is wrong and adheres to his opinion despite people saying he is a liar. If stating ones opinion is lieing then I need to have my name in the Guinness World Records book. Isn’t that what evolution teaches? If it isn’t, what does evolution teach?

Originally posted by Essan
So is Hovind really that stupid or does does he just do it for a joke?

It's really a case of spot the fact amongst the lies, out of date information, missing information, general non sequiters and other misleading nonsense .......

And I love the way he claims something didn't happen, fails to provide the information that shows it did happen, and then offers an alternative explanation with no evidence whatsoever to support it other than the word of the Almighty Ken Hovind (just see his imaginary lake which suddenly drained in a matter of weeks to form the Grand Canyon as a good example! )

Hovind is not stupid unless believing in something completely different from what you believe is stupid. What are all these lies, out of date/missing information and misleading sequences you are referring to? From what I just mentioned could you please post those things that you say there are in his material?

Actually Hovind says what the scientific community says happened, provides his input that what the scientists think happened is wrong and provides his won opinion. And with regards to no evidence he provides several charts and maps to help the viewer understand what exactly he is trying to explain.

Originally posted by Heronumber0
reply to post by SteveAndrew

 

Hovind does make a couple of good points. The first is about the evolution of the horse which was hurriedly placed in a linear order and is currently taught to this day in schools - I know because I have taught it.

Secondly, the case of the peppered moths is a strong example of natural selection and has recently been shown to be factual but only shows natural selection.

Regarding the apparent irreducible complexity of the bacterial flagellum, he is wrong. Bacterial mutations exist which retain movement so in this case, we have to reject Hovind's and Behe's argument.

I’m glad you agree with some of Hovind’s viewpoints. That picture of peppered moths has actually been found to be false.

With your last paragraph, I don’t quite understand what you are referring to, could you please provide further clarification for me?

Originally posted by C.C.Benjamin
Good grief. This guys problem with evolution is that it gives him a moral crisis because if no-one is telling him how to be nice to people, he doesn't see the point?

His little list on page 7 was wonderful. Yes, each point was true. The utter, cold, uncaring truth. It is a shame the universe is like that, but what are you gonna do?

Man should be proud of the achievements he makes for himself, like the concepts of mercy, justice, charity and love. Why should we feel like we should pass the kudos for these incredible feats to someone else? We did it, we should pat ourselves on the back.


I don’t quite understand what you were trying to convey Bejamin. Elaboration? Once man starts believing he is supreme and puts a specific brand of ‘perfect’ in the world you get people like Hitler. Yes, we humans choose to be merciful, loving, charitable, and justiciful (sp?lol). But you can’t forget how one became that way. Let me put it this way. If your parents teach you to love and never kill anyone you can’t proclaim “yes, I don’t kill anybody and I love everybody”. That’d be wrong and your parents would be angry with you because they taught you that and they cared enough about you to teach you that.

Originally posted by arius
Hovind is popular because their is a demand for proof of religious beliefs for which he is the supply. Simple economics. If there is a demand then someone will provide a supply.

The way you put that seems like you are not a believer in any particular God and find it funny that some dude is trying to prove there is a God and prove the nonbelievers wrong. Simple fact is, there is no proof for a God and there is no proof against a God.


I will not go through and show mister.old.schools/clearskies posts concerning the two articles the latter member posted since its cut and paste what the article says. I’m sure intelligent people can read the article for themselves and post what they believe the article says.

Ok, guys lets stop casting our pearls before the swine. This guy is obviously brainwashed and incapable of questioning himself. We are all on a path toward enlightenment. Some just aren't as far along as others.

Originally posted by arius
Ok, guys lets stop casting our pearls before the swine. This guy is obviously brainwashed and incapable of questioning himself. We are all on a path toward enlightenment. Some just aren't as far along as others.

I can't imagine why you would stoop to calling other people names. I believe your comment is an indication of your refusal to discuss the topic and failure to even fight for what you believe in.

Brainwashed and incapable of questioning myself? How so? You throw around insults and refuse to clarify your reasoning.

You're right, we are all on a path of enlightenment. Some people just haven't found it yet. Let's get back on the subject of Evolution v. Creation and not detour any further