UFO Appears to be Flying Behind the Moon

For what it's worth, here's a movie of an Iridium satellite transiting the moon...

www.bisque.com...

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Leo -Low Earth Orbit(er)

And the "bugs" are not insects that fly around night lights, but are known as nonts since the 70s, critters since the 50s, and elementals since antediluvian times. They gained popularity on the STS75 show.

Here's an image of the Moon as it was seen from Hurst, Tx. at 8.45pm on Feb 18. This is two days from full, so note the darkening of the lower left quadrant.
Below it is a still from the first video, which was taken during an attempt to capture the eclipse. Considering the quality of the camera and the poster's experience filming UFOs, I'm surprised this image was considered OK enough to film for 14 minutes. A simple filter of the type used in his other UFO videos would have fixed the over-exposure and given a good image.


The lighting behaviour of the 'UFO' indicates that it is back illuminated by the moon and therefore relatively close to the camera. This is confirmed by the small angle of illumination.

Devil's Advocate

[edit on 23-2-2008 by waveguide3]

[edit on 23-2-2008 by waveguide3]

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I'm sorry you can't grasp why the object would appear to disappear behind the moon, but that is what is happening here.

I almost wish that theyareoutthere had not used the filter which gives the impression that the object is going behind the moon, when it is not.

What part of "no contrast" are you having trouble understanding?

Have you ever tried writing in white ink on white paper?

Believe it or not zorgon, I'm actually on your side, and I want to find evidence of ETs... but this is not it!

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Neat vid IAP - thanks for posting.

That's a nice bright flare for sure! I think it has to be noted, that this one vid represents only a small proportion of behavior displayed by satellites. As said before, there are many other satellites besides the iridiums... some which tumble rapidly, and some which may not tumble at all. There is also space junk, which can be seen randomly glinting from time to time.

A brief flare/long glint still has the potential to cause what we are seeing here - and I do agree that it would be unusually lucky to capture an event like this... but there is a first time for everything, and sooner or later, someone was bound to get lucky.

How Fast?
There's been some discussion about how fast the ufo is moving and how 'somebody' should be able to calculate it. The truth is, nobody can calculate its speed unless they know its trajectory and its distance from the camera and that seems to be the crux to this whole thing. Imagine if the ufo were approaching the camera as it crosses the moon. How fast then?

People have commented that it moves faster than any 'normal' satellite. In fact, the apparent speed is very much in line with satellites passing across the Moon's disc. If you look at the moon in relation to the expanse of sky as a whole, it occupies a very tiny area, merely thirty seconds of arc across. The ISS for example, crosses the disc diameter in less than half a second. Off centre passes (like that in the video) take even less time. There are plenty of videos around showing Moon and Sun transits. The ISS and all other satellites in LEO (Low Earth Orbit) have a similar speed. All satellites located at a specific height have exactly the same speed.

It's easy to calculate its angular velocity, which can be done without knowing the distance to the ufo or its trajectory. We know the angular size of the moon and we could determine the time taken for the object to cross it. The number of video frames at 30fps gives you it. One divided by the other gives angular velocity. Unfortunately, we can't relate to angular velocity as a speed indictor. It's not very satisfactory and tells us very little about the speed or what the object actually is.

WG3

its a bat, bird, or that mirror that had those people from superman trapped.
the video was way over exposed and blew anything out so the dark parts of anything in it where overshadowed by the halo . there shouldn't be this much
discussion about something that no one can prove ether way there just is not
that amount of evidence here. people need to pick what they want to put there
energy into. this kind of "evidence" should not be one of them. its as useful as
taking pictures of starts and air plains with a long exposure ..

you can just look at a video and make a decision about what it is without first understanding how cameras and video cameras work .. just because there is
a orb in a photo doesn't mean its a spirit.

Deny ignorance ! as of late it seams to me that this statement has been ignored.
the amount of useless posts is getting to a point where we almost need a mod or
something ..

Hello

As i have said i do not belive this object to be close to the camera, i have also said that an object that is close to the camera will be blurred and act like a shadow.
I have been going through this video and i am going to use another anomaly in it to back it up, even though i am not an expert when it comes to camera works, or space for that matter, i do reserve the right to change my mind about this, if an expert will come and explain it to us

This anomaly in the pics below i consider to be close to the camera.
From the long video clip supplied.









This looks exactly as i've explained, a object in close range to the camera lens.
Blurred and shadowy.
Compared to this:



I still think this object is alot further away from the camera.
As it enters the halo of the moon the object get luminated, this object also change trajectory after it has past the moon.
Either it is infront of the moon or going behind it.
Going behind the moon could be one explanation of the objects illumination when it enters the halo, as the moon is not flat but is a spherical body also parts of the 'sides' of the moon gets illuminated from the sun which explains the visibility of the ojects lumination when it enters the halo.

What makes this so difficult to judge is the fact that digital zoom has been used instead of optical zoom.

If i am not making any sense, sorry but i am dead tired

This is a magic trick.
You have had your attention diverted.
That is not the moon, what makes you think it is?
You simply believe the description.
There are no lunar features perceptable.

The oldest trick in the book. Once you accept the false premise, you are forced to a false conclusion.

Originally posted by Cyberbian
This is a magic trick.
You have had your attention diverted.
That is not the moon, what makes you think it is?
You simply believe the description.
There are no lunar features perceptable.

The oldest trick in the book. Once you accept the false premise, you are forced to a false conclusion.

I agree to a large extent. Neither the first nor the 'hires' video shows any evidence that we are looking at the Moon. It could easily be a car headlamp and a ping-pong ball on a string. In fact it looks more like a headlamp than the Moon IMHO. People can propose wild pseudo-scientific theories till the cows come home, but we will never know the truth.

My opinion is it's not what everybody thinks it is.

WG3/Devil's Advocate

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Seriously now and I mean no disrespect, but do you really think that 'theyareoutthere' would have gone to all the trouble to 1) accept my invitation to join this thread 2) take the time to register and 3) take the time to download the original footage (2x) for a headlight and a ping pong ball?

anyone that has downloaded the entire hi-res video can attest to the fact that this in fact the moon. I am insulted that anyone would make the statement that this is trickery. That is not who I am or what I am about. I was going to post some pictures from the video showing the trajectory but after reading some of the latest comments here I am not. Why bother?

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I'm sorry to hear that because I know that there are many of us here who fully appreciate the time that you have given this thread and would love to see those pics. Try not to get to frustrated with comments such as those above, unfortunately they are 'par for the course' here at ATS sometimes and certainly is not the opinion of the majority of those posting in this thread.

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You putted time and efforts in order to share this video: all i can say is "thank you". I've watched the full hi res video and i'd say that i've found no reason to doubt that you actually caught the Moon.

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I do understand you theyareoutthere, this is at best times a frustrating forum
Many would say that 'ufos' are science-fiction and those who believe in them are laughable.

I do not agree to that sentiment and that many of the ufo sightings can not be explained by our standard dogmatised science.
I think that what you caught on video is a ufo, either it is a asteriod or something completely alien to us.

But it does not look like a asteriod, i dont even think it behaves like most asteriods do.

One thing that speaks both for it and against it being a asteriod is that it seems to be spinning.

I'm interested to see the pictures you have

I have sent theyareoutthere a message asking him to return to this thread and encouraging him to not let comments such as those by waveguide3 and cyberbian discourage him.

Originally posted by hsur2112
- - - and encouraging him to not let comments such as those by waveguide3 and cyberbian discourage him.

I'd like to apologise to the original poster if my comments caused him offence, that wasn't my intention. I realise he was invited here and didn't expect to be grilled. However, he did ask for an explanation of what he captured on video and I'd like to know too. In the interests of a proper investigation I believe it's vital that all possiblities and alternative explanations are examined. I suggested that the video looks more like a car headlamp than the Moon. I stick by that comment and I really don't believe anyone could argue with it. I'd therefore like to see visual confirmation that we are indeed seeing the Moon. The hires video was said to provide that confirmation, but it doesn't. I asked if we could see the movie or stills from the video he took later, when the eclipse actually happened. Those shots haven't been posted. I think it's important that we see evidence that the camera used for the first video is capable of producing clear unequivocal images of the full Moon's surface. I'd like to examine its resolution and that's the only practical method. This is why I'd like to see a still or two from the eclipse video taken two days later. I think if the poster was prepared to set up his camera and take 15 minutes of Moon video, then the results would show exactly that. In fact all I see is an extremely over-exposed light, which doesn't resemble the Moon as I know it. I would therefore ask questions about that. When this thread started I felt many contributers were already convinced they were seeing something extraordinary without considering any mundane explanations. I can see several down to Earth possiblities and would like to examine them. However, if such probings are not acceptable, then I too will drop out of the thread. However, I also hope the poster will rejoin the discussion and tough it out. We're all looking for the truth after all.

WG3

Well, if he protests too much it will be telling...

I certainly think it is a LEO, and I have not attacked the the author, just sayin' all the same....

Originally posted by waveguide3

In the interests of a proper investigation I believe it's vital that all possiblities and alternative explanations are examined.

100% agreed, and I thought that this thread was doing just that. Look, ATS is all about diverse opinions and abundant knowledge, hopefully with some common sense and logic thrown in as well. A lot of videos come through here, but it is rare that we can get the oringinal video posters to join in and I think that there are ways to voice our opinions without being disrespectful, especially when the utube poster was doing all that was asked of him without reservation.

So, hopefully 'theyareoutthere' will be back as I felt strongly that this video deserved the discussion that it was getting.

I am working on a video that will show the ufo going by the moon with some minutes cut out afterwards to reduce the size of the video that will then show the moon closer up without the overexposure. Also a video made from snapshots of most of the frames as the ufo flies by the moon so you can see that the trajectory of it makes changes. Also a vid of the moon during the eclipse. Links will be on www.ebesarehere.com