Where is Al Sharptons Rage against Racism for this?

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I have to say I am sick and tired of double standard racism. This is a hate crime pure and simple. Now I do know this was a argument about aisle space, but I am a white male, who lived in the projects in Harlem at one point and know all to well about racism. If this was anyone but a white male I bet my life there would be no incident. But I have seen this all too many times and is a real issue in America. A hidden and less spoke about form of hate crime? And anyone arguing that this is not racism, think if a group of White males did this to a black man. Would it be any different. But damm right we would hear about it.

Why is this?

I hate racism, I am tired of people distinguishing others or themselves by the color of their skin. Is it lack of education, Poor Urban areas, and poor White areas come to mind when you ratio lack of education to racism. Any thoughts on this? It seems more educated people (and I could be very wrong here) look at a person for their personal values.

reply to post by ShiftTrio

This is a hate crime pure and simple.

Uh, not to sure about that one. You never provided any audio or transcripts from the video you linked to so we have no idea what was said between the parties involved.

If this was anyone but a white male I bet my life there would be no incident.

Your life? What if he was arab, asian, black or spanish? This still wouldn't have happened?

And anyone arguing that this is not racism, think if a group of White males did this to a black man. Would it be any different. But damm right we would hear about it.

Maybe so, but you're no different that Al Sharpton in claiming this a HATE CRIME when you provide NO evidence that this attack was provoked by race.

I hate racism, I am tired of people distinguishing others or themselves by the color of their skin.

Just as you did when you claimed that a black man punched a white man in the face because of race?



Are you right about this? Maybe, but you shouldn't use this video to promote an agenda you may have regarding racially motivated violence without having any proof.

If you can find evidence that this event took place because of race than I'll be the first to agree with you and discuss it, otherwise this thread could easily turn into a screaming match.

One last note: Who's to say that the guy with the blurred face isn't some rich,white, drunk, spoiled brat? He could've been shooting his mouth off at someone prior to him paying for his 6-pack, bumping into people as he stumbled through the small aisles.

The guy may have had it coming.

You can bet its racist in nature. All those i saw on the vid are black. If your white and know what this stuff is like in cities, you know what i mean.

Sahrpton is the biggest racist on tv.

At least the police may have to do something because it got on the news, but usually the police would not even bother.

reply to post by andy1033

You can bet its racist in nature. All those i saw on the vid are black. If your white and know what this stuff is like in cities, you know what i mean.

So you're judging this because of the color of one groups skin?

Sahrpton is the biggest racist on tv.

Sharpton is an opportunist who uses race to advance his own agenda and social/political standing. I believe he holds no allegiance to the people who he claims to be helping.

reply to post by Comma8Comma1


I really think you have an extra "m" in your screen name.

Coma seems more appropriate based on your responses.

Here's a little tidbit for ya'.

Blacks are much more territorial than whites. Put a white person in an all black area and his chances for gettin' lit up are very high as evident in this video. Say nothing of the nice lady taunting him after the cheap shot.

Conversely, put a black person in a convienece store in an all white area and he pays and moves on.

Perhaps you could come up to northern Idaho with me and explain to my friends your point of view. Ah skip it, you'd never get past the gate.

Becker


No personal attacks what so ever.
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reply to post by Becker44


You could put a white in a black convenience store and they'd be able to pay and move on just as easily.

These sorts of things usually happen in the streets or in the trailer park.

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reply to post by Comma8Comma1


You're killing this thread. I appreciate the balanced perspective on which you see this situation from on both sides. Not too many people can distinguish racism from any other sort of motive if there's a difference in color of those involved. I find you speaking for me on this particular thread, asking all the right questions to those who "think" they know. And some say you can't be concise if you think in the "grey" area, but looks like there's some of us who are waiting for the rest of the world to catch up.



And I wouldn't be outraged by Beckers award winning explanation for why this happened. I'm sure he's drummed up some pretty conclusive evidence on why blacks are so inherently territorial over their neighborhood bodega aisles. Sounds pretty bulletproof to me.

reply to post by Comma8Comma1


I was merely trying to engage you in a discussion about the problems we all face in society.

I'm not sure why you pulled a nutty but I'm really not trying to get you that fired up. Look passion is a great thing. We all are passionate in our beliefs.

I hope your next post addresses the issue.

btw: The Live Free or Die comment was funny. I do believe it is a great motto.

Becker

[edit on 20-2-2008 by Becker44]

This thread will get back on track immediately.

Comma: Not a closed minded racist. Period. You could have argued Becker in a courteous respectful manner by providing your opinion of the subject, rather than your less than flattering opinion of him.

And now, back to your regularly scheduled, respectful discussion...

reply to post by Becker44


Awww, I hope my next post addresses the issue as well.
Thanks for your concern, and I will watch what I say so as to not upset anyone with my forward thinking.

It seems there are a LOT of people that only use the ATS motto when they see fit.

reply to post by DeadFlagBlues


Hey DeadFlag,

I always enjoy your posts! I remember you were thinking of joining the military. Any updates?

Now on point: This thread was about the double standard of the Sharptons of the world. Sure I digressed a little. Just trying to make a point.

I agree with the OP this whole subject has little chance of being discussed before it falls into the abyss. It just seems to me anytime something like this is brought up for discussion. Someone will invariably indict the victim.

A few posts above someone decided the victim was drunk, rich, spoiled, and bumping people. And you say I was stretching?

Becker

All you are doing with your post is trying to fuel more racism. This was a minor incident, and no one knows what words were exchanged previous to the attack. Physical violence is never justified, but you don't know the whole story.

What I see is some thugs assaulting a man & then robbing him. Whether or not it has anything to do with skin color - I don't know there was not enough information presented yet. While some may assume that the guy was picked on because he was white and those blacks don't like White's is just pure speculation.

Racist would be commenting with something like "now we know why it's dangerous to shop in black neighborhoods, if you not black". Thereby accusing all blacks of this type of behavior. I believe this behavior is more closely related to ones educational level & financial status rather than genetics. Therefore you would be more accurate to state "Now we all know why it's dangerous to shop in poor downtrodden neighborhoods where poor thugs with an attitude hang out".

People all seem to get territorial around cash register lanes these days, if they think you cut in front of them. That could be what prompted the argument and maybe the guy was smug about it & got popped - even though the follow through was wrong by the thug & his friends, the guy may have indeed deserved it because he was out of pocket with something he said or did and he was not in a physical position to do so - regardless of law.

Some people think that as long as they follow the law - it's okay to be a dick head and sometimes they find themselves knocked back to reality that the law often trails far behind & if they value their life they're better off not popping off when they are not in the best position to do so. Whining about the legality after the fact that you got your teeth knocked out doesn't change the fact that, no matter what happens your going to be living the rest of your life without your natural teeth just because of your smugness. What I call stupidity of not being aware of your surroundings.

Even at gas lanes you can be waiting to go in and some guy will cut you off from the pump thinking he's slick and completely oblivious to common courtesy of waiting your turn.

Criminals yes, racist criminals that's a stretch.


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reply to post by verylowfrequency


Great post.

There is a definite civility problem in our country. Common courtesy and common sense seems to have eroded in recent times.

As you pointed out, none of us will know what happened in the store unless this goes to trail and we watch the preceedings.

Regardless of race, I think we all agree common sense and courtesy go a long way in avoiding incidents like this.

Becker

reply to post by ShiftTrio


Imagine being born into the world a slave, for hundreds of years your race has been oppressed, as the help, working and dying on a sugar plantation to satisfy the man as white as the sugar. After receiving what obviously was the first human rights they are thrust into a world that their broken backs help create with a lot of people angry that they are free.

I am not trying to justify what they are doing but if you can understand the mentality white America gave them. Here in Australia the white folk classified Indigenous Australians as part of Australia's fauna until 1969 - that was less than 40 years ago and we just expected them to fit in to our society like we didn't just call them wild animals.

If I were a free slave I would be very confused, the so called 'master/slave' mentality I grew up with causes immense social problems for me, I find a woman just like me we have children but I only knew how to be a slave so I am no good as a father. My children then grow up to resent the world and their children's children ended up on video being called a racist.

But not all ended up like that some were given respect as fellow human beings and took it and created a bright future for the next generations. All white people have been given an equal opportunity in this world and we still are the most racist of all the races!

I do not believe in different races of human, we are all one race of humans with environmental factors contributing to our exterior creating different subspecies just like dogs and cats.

im not seeing any racism here. it was over a dumb beef about aisle space (aka personal space). Not sure color played such a huge factor. Seems more like you are trying to paint this as a racist event when it doesn't have to be.

Now if they had beat him over the head with a box of "crackers," it would be a different story...

reply to post by ShiftTrio

Don't jump the gun. How do you know that this was racially motivated? Or that Sharpton has been made aware of this situation? Unfortunately there are bullies everywhere. I'll bet that if the perpetrator was alone he wouldn't have done that. I've seen a crime story where two white hunters was beaten to death by a white bully because they happen to be strangers in town and had gone to the bar he was in.

First to clarify, I have seen this sort of incident several times. Can I say for sure what happened, what words were exchanged no I cannot. So Comma, no matter how he came across is correct. I judged the situation based on experience in the matter. So call it my Big Bang Theory Can't prove it but the evidence is compelling, it is based on a person who has lived in NYC and in a bad part and I can tell you the racism is more against whites, actually let me re-phrase. Violent acts based on race. There very well may be an equal amount of Racism in non-violent fashion. (ex. Some people cannot get a cab). Which is wrong, wrong wrong. No one should be judge by the color of their skin(I see the irony in my post trust me) I will look for facts of the matter, but this was not really the point of my post. The point was the double standard that is thrown out there.

Am I being hypocritical by posting this and acting just like AL.. yea I can see that. But not saying anything about the double standard is worse IMHO.

So lets just look at the evidence and lets be honest about this.
1) 5 Black youths
2) One White Guy ( you really think he started mouthing off? come one now at least be honest in your opinion)
3) Store owner says he was just trying to pay for his items and leave.
4) You can see the people yelling things at him.
5) Why should there be an issue with aisle space, maybe because of 5 people in one aisle.
Now is this evidence of racism, no. But neither was Rodney King. But yet it was all over the news. The conspiracy being? Where is the coverage. Why is one crime treated different then another.

So there are two issues here. 1) are these people in the video just thugs. Very possible, could they they have done that to another black person. Possible. Does this kinda thing happen in NYC based on race all the time YES.

But ... The point here is Where is the outrage? Shouldn't it at least get the same media coverage as if it were 5 whites kids doing this to a black man?