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How China Loses the Coming Space War

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posted on Feb, 18 2008 @ 07:02 PM
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A series of three fascinating articles tha show how and why China would lose any space war.


It also goes into detail of what the space encounters would be like, then likely damage assessments, and then what the winning U.S. responses would be.

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A year ago to the day, China knocked a weather satellite out of orbit, and threw the international community into panic. Some figured the satellite-killer test was the harbinger of a future war in space -- the kind of conflict that could cripple a tech-dependent United States military. Geoffrey Forden, PhD -- an MIT research associate and a former UN weapons inspector and strategic weapons analyst at the Congressional Budget Office -- examines the possibilities of an all-out Chinese assault on American satellites.


Quite interesting and also somewhat comforting to know that since China knows it could not win such a conflict, that it most likely won't happen.

[edit on 2/18/2008 by centurion1211]



posted on Feb, 18 2008 @ 07:59 PM
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Glanced over the blog, typical propaganda, nothing more.


since China knows it could not win such a conflict


They don’t have to, all they have to do is just recall the loans that keep this country running, and we’re all done for.

They are basically funding the war in Iraq, and want all those oil contracts that they so desperately need to keep their economy growth rate.

Who do you think owns all that US dept? Over 2 trillion dollars of it, and most likely much, much more.

Other then that, it’s not a coincidence that USN will be shooting down a satellite. It's a response.



posted on Feb, 18 2008 @ 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by iskander
Glanced over the blog, typical propaganda, nothing more.



Propaganda?

The source info seems at least as reasonable and believable (if not more) as the "facts" you continuously post in your campaign to promote the return of the blood thirsty (is it 10 million or 50 million dead?) soviet onion.

Anyway, the article is basically saying that the U.S. has enough redundancy in space assets to be able to keep operating militarily even after a chinese attack on our satellites. and the chinese launch facilities would likely be taken out before they could launch a 2nd round of attacks.



[edit on 2/18/2008 by centurion1211]



posted on Feb, 19 2008 @ 06:48 AM
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whilst i usually spar with iskander, in this issue i do agree - sadly bias is in the article:


This is equivalent to what the US is trying to develop in its national missile defense system and is much more sophisticated than the ASAT the Soviet Union was working in the 1980s: little more than a space mine that slowly snuck up on its target and detonated near by


im sorry but the part in bold is bollocks - Gorgon showed a hit to kill capability firstly in the original (V-1000) then in the deployed SH-11 in the 60`s and 70`s -they carry nukes to simply catch more of the warheads , which when exo atmopheric are still quite close together until the re- entry phase they are all close to the bus.



the rest of it is trying to create the illusion that intercepting in space is a HUGE and MASSIVE untaking which only the USA is capable of - the satelite once in position is a known quantity - direction and velocity are set , so other than the altitiude , the intercept is actually easier than say going after a supersonic ASM


this is highlighted quite sadly by:


The most likely method it employed to track the oncoming satellite was an on-board telescope using visible light.


and then goes on to run with that assumption with


Until China does develop better sensors, this imposes a very severe constraint on how and when it could attack other satellites: it must wait to attack low Earth orbit satellites when they are in bright sunshine.


quite simply the author is now guessing as he doesn`t actually know.


this actually ties quite well into the US needing to shoot down the `errant` satelite with its own system - china has now got a working ASAT capability - the US now has to show that SM-3 can do the same.


its all BS and politics.

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spelling

[edit on 19/2/08 by Harlequin]



posted on Feb, 19 2008 @ 08:41 PM
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as the "facts" you continuously post in your campaign to promote the return of the blood thirsty (is it 10 million or 50 million dead?) soviet onion.


Come on, stop with your feeble attempts of making a personal attack, I’m getting bored and tired of it.

And no, I don’t kidnap Christian children to drink their blood, I’m not a cross burning KKK member, I’m not an anti-semite, I’m not a bigot, I’m not a religious freak, etc.

If I missed anything and you care to accuse me of anything else, in order to keep this forum clean from such nonsense, do us all a favor and feel free to forward all such crap to me personally via U2U.



posted on Feb, 19 2008 @ 08:44 PM
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whilst i usually spar with iskander, in this issue i do agree - sadly bias is in the article:


Harlequin, that was spoken in the true spirit of ATS and I applaud you.

It is true that we often disagree, but that’s the very point of a forum, and I’m only glad that we can do so constructively.

To say the least, I’m looking forward to sparring with you in the future!



posted on Feb, 19 2008 @ 11:04 PM
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going back to the topic, i think that the us would be capable of winning a space war... with the possibility of something like aurora as well as the satellites we dont know about i'd put the money on our satellites. their was a really interesting article in either popular science, popular mechanics, or scientific america a while back about a whole series of dark satellites which the satellite tracking community simply can't find. i'll try and find the article and post a new thread on it if anyones interested (or maybe its already posted if anyone can tell me i'd appreciate it) but yea i think are capabilities are pretty sound.

raptor1



posted on Feb, 20 2008 @ 12:32 AM
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going back to the topic, i think that the us would be capable of winning a space war...


Really, you’re looking forward to space wars? How about if we behave our selves and don’t have space wars? Can we do that or is it just out of the question because the same old guys are set on raking in the money from war profiteering?

Business of war makes you feel safe and cozy?


with the possibility of something like aurora as well as the satellites we dont know about i'd put the money on our satellites.


How about adding the Death Star and USS Enterprise to the list of those possibilities?

How convenient all those “dark” wars really are, It’s happening there somewhere, out of sight, but it dangerous and scary, so keep toiling away and paying all those taxes right into our pockets, because if you stop, the war will be right on your door step!

Give me a break, this crap is so old it’s not funny.


their was a really interesting article in either popular science, popular mechanics, or scientific america a while back about a whole series of dark satellites which the satellite tracking community simply can't find.


Oh how true, just like all those “dark” bank accounts that nobody can find, because that’s where they hide the money fleeced form entire countries.

Hooray for space wars! Give us war, give us war, we as a people demand more war from our government, and it better deliver because war is what makes us safe, financially secure and healthy!

War by the pound here, step right up and own a piece of the new frontier, the new and improved space war just for you! This is a limited time offer, and since you already missed out on buying the moon, don’t be the last one out! Invest in Space Wars, or the terrorists will get you!

Does that sound about right?



posted on Feb, 20 2008 @ 03:44 AM
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I don't see a "war war war" message in his post. Perhaps you're making an assumption...and we all know what happens when people make assumptions. I also feel you're drawing a context out of his post that isn't there.



posted on Feb, 20 2008 @ 12:33 PM
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i'm in no way pushing war, especially not a space war, i'm saying IF, i repeat IF, it were to happen we would win. and the "black satellites" i'm talking about are real. satellite trackers spotted them when they were first put into orbit -like when they were first launched- but have not been able to find them since. so i'd advice you to calm down a little, i'm not talking about the death start, or even weaponized space for that matter -most people think they are advanced spy satellites, that are used so other militaries can't track their orbit. so take this for what it is if you don't believe if then don't i'm just passing on what i read.

raptor1



posted on Feb, 20 2008 @ 12:33 PM
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i'm in no way pushing war, especially not a space war, i'm saying IF, i repeat IF, it were to happen we would win. and the "black satellites" i'm talking about are real. satellite trackers spotted them when they were first put into orbit -like when they were first launched- but have not been able to find them since. so i'd advice you to calm down a little, i'm not talking about the death start, or even weaponized space for that matter -most people think they are advanced spy satellites, that are used so other militaries can't track their orbit. so take this for what it is if you don't believe if then don't i'm just passing on what i read.

raptor1



posted on Feb, 20 2008 @ 03:08 PM
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[quoet] I don't see a "war war war" message in his post.

The topic of this thread – “How China Loses the Coming Space War”


Perhaps you're making an assumption...and we all know what happens when people make assumptions.


Well yes we do, they disappear. How about a bonus question?


I also feel you're drawing a context out of his post that isn't there.


I have to disagree with you there, mainly because this is so plain and clear;


going back to the topic, i think that the us would be capable of winning a space war...


How exactly would you describe the context of those words?



posted on Feb, 20 2008 @ 03:35 PM
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i'm in no way pushing war, especially not a space war, i'm saying IF, i repeat IF, it were to happen we would win.


Well naturally the phrase “the drums of war” came out of nowhere.

There are only two ways of approach here, the way of war or the way of peace, that’s it.

A week ago both China and Russia officially proposed for a mutual disarmament of space, open orbit policy, etc, the same old story, and just as before, American administration flat out refused to even review the proposal.

As usual, the American public is kept completely in the dark and not even a hint of the proposal leaked through the mass media wall, and as usual, when other countries will respond to clearly hostile actions, only then they’ll scream that we must defend our selves form aggressors.

I’m sick and tired of this nonsense.

Here it is;


Russia proposes space arms treaty

Mr Lavrov warned of a "chain reaction"

Russia and China have proposed a new international treaty to ban the use of weapons in outer space.


news.bbc.co.uk...

And this is how it officially started this time around;

“Space wars have officially begun - Bush signs new "National Space Policy".


President Bush has signed a new National Space Policy that rejects future arms-control agreements that might limit U.S. flexibility in space and asserts a right to deny access to space to anyone "hostile to U.S. interests."


www.abovetopsecret.com...


so i'd advice you to calm down a little, i'm not talking about the death start, or even weaponized space for that matter -most people think they are advanced spy satellites, that are used so other militaries can't track their orbit.


Well thank you very much for the advice, I’m glad to know you’ve been around long enough to know what’s going on, because that’s exactly what makes me feel all safe and cozy inside.



posted on Feb, 21 2008 @ 01:59 AM
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Originally posted by iskander
Well thank you very much for the advice, I’m glad to know you’ve been around long enough to know what’s going on, because that’s exactly what makes me feel all safe and cozy inside.


condescending much?

its adds nothing to the discussion and it makes you look like a prick



posted on Feb, 21 2008 @ 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by DeltaNine
I don't see a "war war war" message in his post. Perhaps you're making an assumption...and we all know what happens when people make assumptions. I also feel you're drawing a context out of his post that isn't there.



No, iskander is obviously not getting your joke based on the word "assume".

If you take the word apart, you get "ass" "u" "me" - so assuming often makes an ass out of you and me. Hope that helps.


[edit on 2/21/2008 by centurion1211]



posted on Feb, 21 2008 @ 05:48 PM
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No, iskander is obviously not getting your joke based on the word "assume".


I’m at awe, what mastery of sarcastic humor. To think of all the time I wasted on reading the onion.



posted on Mar, 2 2008 @ 09:56 PM
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Don't imagine any war between US and China!Cause that will be the end of the world! Unless you have found another habitat in universe.So,keep clear—headed!



posted on Mar, 2 2008 @ 10:15 PM
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I've noticed the only thing that parallels China's power is their hype. China is the equivalent to the boy in the 3rd grade who has everything you have and more but he can't bring it to school to show you. He probably has some of it, but he sure as hell is lying about some of it.



posted on Mar, 2 2008 @ 10:42 PM
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I don't know about the space war. But they are going to lose internally the land war.
5.9 million people in China do not have potable drinking water.
They are up for the Olympics and the air is only semi breathable.
Theiri industrial juggernaut is like ours times 20 in the 70's.
It will bite them on the heini sooner than later.
In my humble opinion.



posted on Mar, 3 2008 @ 12:00 AM
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i think people r just scared of chinas military capabilities but will bever actually do anything

like the middle east thinking Americans military will have war with them becuase of their capabilities

wait, they did go into the middle east to prove their military capabities




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