Bush Administration Hides More Data, Shuts Down Website Tracking U.S. Economic Indicators

Originally posted by gholland
Interesting subject "the cold war". I was stationed on a Ballistic Missile Submarine out of Bangor WA for several years... When the USSR came tumbling down, the stabilization of the world came down with it. Now we're paying for it... we have two up and coming countries to contend with.

On the subject of multiple voice being able to change things in this country... If you recall a little over 200 years ago a few voices changed history!!!

that was two hundred years ago, and they had things like guns that had to be loaded between each shot.

now, they have sound devices that can drop crowds to their knees, violently retching. they got lots o' gadgets specifically for the purpose of squeliching revolution. all that'll happen is people will get hurt/killed. and the rules will get tighter. and the problems will be more intense. and the freedoms even sparser. and so on

i know that doesn't sound very positive, but i'm nearly 50 years old and i've been watching the political scene and the world scene and it's not looking very promising.

Every single link on that website sends you to ANOTHER government website - the Census Bureau and the Bureau of Economic Analysis ... It doesn't seem to serve any purpose other than a place to go for all the links.

If you bookmark all the links on that page - you can have the same effect as if the page were still up.

I don't see this as anything to worry about, to be honest...

I have repeatedly tried to enlighten people about the lies and depradations of this criminal administration to actually in some cases being told that they didn't want to know, that it was too much to deal with.

reply to post by grover


I totally understand how you feel. ATS's motto is Deny Ignorance but oh well you know the saying... Bliss is Ignorance. People like to think that they have everything sorted out in their lives, blissfully unaware of the powers that control their world.

reply to post by dismanrc


Are you kidding me?

Bush has demonstrated SEVERAL times that he'll do whatever he wants despite Congress, or he'll find away around it, and you're sitting here saying that he doesn't have any power?

And who the hell cares about power in past presidents? Right NOW Bush is doing whatever he wants. Don't give me this crap that just because he supposedly doesn't have as much power as past presidents, he's near powerless.

Wake up and read some news.

Originally posted by grover
The last 7 years? Throughout the 35 years of my voting life I have rarely seen voters use their heads for anything more than a hat rack. Sad but true. If any politician attempts to tell the American public anything that even vaguely approaches the truth he might as well kiss his career goodbye.

For the most part we just don't want to know. Its easier to say for example that global warming is a scam than to examine how you live your life and determine how to lessen its impact upon the environment. I have repeatedly tried to enlighten people about the lies and depradations of this criminal administration to actually in some cases being told that they didn't want to know, that it was too much to deal with.

We are getting what we deserve... and thanks to that we are well on our way down. The American apex has past.

It's not just the US, the UK public is the same. As soon as politican tells the truth they are dead and yet the poublic wants their politicians to tell the truth! The press are also to blame, politicians cannot say anything to the press in case it is taken out of context which it invariably is. Thus you get interviews where the politican is vague and "does not answer the question".

And you wonder why politicans spin!

You are quite right that we get what we deserve, not just the US but the UK as well.

US: Satellite might strike Earth March 6

Geneva - The US ambassador to the United Nations warned Friday the defective US spy satellite was due to enter Earth's atmosphere on March 6 if efforts announced by the Pentagon to destroy it failed. Christina Rocca, the US permanent Representative to the UN Conference on Disarmament said it was not possible to say where the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) Satellite would strike.

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reply to post by bigbert81


Just what has he done that Congress did not ok?

I know—the war?

Wrong – Congress passed the resolution to go ahead with it. THEN later when they found it was harder then they ALL thought they began to whine and complain. So now they want to quit before the job is done.

Also they COULD have stopped the funding anytime they wanted too. Yes that would have left a lot of troops up S***creek, but if they truly wanted to stop it they could have. Have they? NO

I know—it was the Patriot Act right?

Wrong – Again Congress passed it. TWICE

The deficit and the budget?

Bush submitted it, but Congress voted on it and approved it. There was a lot of pork that they could of cut, but never do.

Just as another person posted the end of the Cold War started a whole lot of problems. The power structure of the world collapsed and has still not stabilized. Bush senior got the first of this when Saddam thought he could use this power vacuum to take over more of the Middle East. Clinton was able to ride out the building pressure and growth of terrorist attacks by sweeping it under the carpet and doing the least required to keep the pot from boiling over. Bush junior got into office and the pot finally got to the point it blew up.

I don’t agree with every action the Bush Whitehouse has taking. They have made mistakes. Its not the first time a President in a time of change has made mistakes. Truman made many and we ended up with 50 years of Cold War, but in the end we survived it and even prospered. But if you read reports of him in the 40’s and early 50’s it sound very much like what people are saying about Bush now.

All in all I think Bush has done a good job, not perfect, but show me someone that is.

reply to post by dismanrc


No, wrong, Bush is the first fascist president that is catering to corporate power at the expenses of the American public, laws, legislation, control all in the name of for the American good and security that is taking advantage of 9/11 to sell and root centralized power while selling our nations sovereignty to foreign nations many of them the same that funded the terrorist of 9/11.

Wake up and smell the stench of what a corrupted government is all about in the land of opportunity and the free.

He has bankrupted our nation for corporate benefits.

Marg as far as your comment about bush being worse president I agree and everything but this has been going on way before bush. Bush just doesnt hide it as much. The Clinton's wiretapped phone under code name Eschlon and who knows what else they did. This has been a slow drift into a dictatorship for years now its just so obvious now.

On a side not people keep talking about wire tapping and cameras and patriot act taking away freedoms I never hear anyone mention eminent domain. That in itself is HUGE and I cant believe that never gets thrown in the dictatorship cry.

reply to post by mybigunit


The bankrupting and selling of our nation started with the Reagan administration, remember that the Republicans is a party that is control by a few wealthy families and they have not regards when it comes to the American people their sole existence is to profit from this nation while bringing the citizens to its knees.

And to make things worst the second elite party the Democrats are just starting to cash out on the give away and they are just as much into it as the Republican elite.

reply to post by marg6043


I dont know wasnt woodrow wilson a democrat? I think he started this all by creating the FED

BTW im not a republican Im not defending them my point is that this has been going on long before Bush. I just think bush has taken it to another level and makes it so obvious.

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reply to post by mybigunit


You are right my friend and I give credit for that one but after the ww2 we became a nation of wealth producers and we held this status just right after Reagan when the decline on the wealth builders in the nation started to decline in the last 8 years we have become a nation of spenders that produces barely nothing anymore.

Originally posted by bigbert81
Here, I think this says it all:

Wow. An unsourced newslink from an obviously biased source. Yeah, that pretty much says it all ... about your research.

Your pal,
Meat.

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reply to post by mmmeat


mmeat if you dont think that the government is fessing up to how bad things are you are seriously mistaken. They come out yesterday and say we arent going in to a recession everything is fine but yet we need to keep lowering rates, printing more money we dont have, keep spending money we dont have all for a problem that doesnt exist...hmmmmm

reply to post by mybigunit


A yes Eminent Domain. The art of destroying your home and prosperity for that of Wal-Mart. Such is the American way. How on Earth did we allow that to happen? first our freedoms, then our homes and businesses, what next? Life span regulation?

As usual, this seems to have spawned itself into the regular Democrat vs. Republican "who is to blame" battle and the real battle is lost in it.

Only when people realize that there is no longer a difference between those two parties, will the American people be able to join together to oust both of them. This isn't a Republican president, it is a Globalist president operating within the Repubican party. Just Clinton was a Globalist president operating within the Democratic party. The goals between the two are the same, they just have a few differences on how to acheive that goal.

Ronald Reagan was a puppet that was not supposed to have won the election. But he did, and he was surrounded by CFR appointees to try and keep the globalist ship on track, get whatever legislation passed that they could, and just basically ride out his presidency.

If people think that this is an issue only going back to the 80's (Reagan), then they're not paying attention. The largest problem is that the two most important generations of voters that could have had a chance to stop this ship were asleep at the wheel. Those generations being 1) those who are now in approaching or are in their 60's and 2) the previous generation who are approaching or are now in their 80's. By the time you get to "Gen-X" those hitting their 40's now, the establishment was thoroughly entrenched and will not be able to be removed.

Voting in this country is a scam. The Gore vs. Bush election not only proved that if the wrong guy wins, it'll be corrected, but it also served the purpose of pushing more polling stations to electronic voting. Now there's a trustworthy method, eh?

And for those that think there is still an America, think again. This group of politicians (BOTH Republicans and Democrats) have ensure that what we are is a North American Union. The SPP says it all folks, so keep banging the "We're Proud Americans" all you want. There is no America any longer. The drum that needs to be banged is the "We're Proud Constitutionalists" drum and start gearing your lives for the isolationism and hardships that such a belief will bring in this day of extreme globalistic movement.

Get your food and heirloom seed stockpiles going folks, you're going to need them. If you don't think you will, then you're already mentally theirs and you're silently saying that you beleive that this Government will keep you safe and protected so much so that your own self-sufficiency is not required.

We're in for a very rough ride folks. I wish you all the best with whatever is heading down the pike at us.

Originally posted by mybigunit
mmeat if you dont think that the government is fessing up to how bad things are you are seriously mistaken. They come out yesterday and say we arent going in to a recession everything is fine but yet we need to keep lowering rates, printing more money we dont have, keep spending money we dont have all for a problem that doesnt exist...hmmmmm

If you believe that things are as bad as you're saying ... you're seriously mistaken.

The rates have dropped for a reason. A reason that is readily apparent if you look up the word 'foreclosure' on any non-biased and reality-based news source.

Your pal,
Meat.

Originally posted by Apsaroke
Voting in this country is a scam. The Gore vs. Bush election not only proved that if the wrong guy wins, it'll be corrected, but it also served the purpose of pushing more polling stations to electronic voting. Now there's a trustworthy method, eh?

The Gore Debacle only proved that Gore doesn't understand how the voting process works, and that people are willing to blindly follow the ignorant by saying things like 'voting in this country is a scam.'

Any 5th grader knows about the Electoral College.

And for those that think there is still an America, think again.

No, we don't need to think again. Because those of us - the proud Americans - already know our heritage, understand our country, and recognize that it's the best place on earth.

There's a reason that people come here. There's a reason that people escape the tyranny of their home countries and request asylum here. It's because we're a country of the people, by the people, and for the people.

Anyone can say the sky is falling in America ... and that isn't true elsewhere in the world.

We're not in for a rough ride. We're the United States of America.

Your pal,
Meat.

reply to post by mmmeat


Umm meat I urge you to check out my thread posted in December before the market tanked the way it has
www.abovetopsecret.com...'

Ive been calling this for awhile and a lot of people told me I was full of it. This is what I do for a living I live and breath the economy. If you think things are good you can continue to feel that way.

As far is this country being the best it is the best thing out there right now...but we have gone way downhill since the early 1900s and we just want to KEEP this country great (By keeping it the way our founding fathers intended it to be)

Originally posted by mybigunit
Umm meat I urge you to check out my thread posted in December before the market tanked the way it has
www.abovetopsecret.com...'

No.

Ive been calling this for awhile and a lot of people told me I was full of it. This is what I do for a living I live and breath the economy. If you think things are good you can continue to feel that way.

...and I will, as will most of the rest of the country. Maybe there are those out there that bought a home they shouldn't have because they ultimately couldn't afford it, but there are far more people out there who are doing well and live within their means.

If what you've been 'calling' is as inaccurate as what you 'called' here, then I have to say that I'm more inclined to be on the side of the people who were telling you you were 'full of it.'

As far is this country being the best it is the best thing out there right now...but we have gone way downhill since the early 1900s and we just want to KEEP this country great (By keeping it the way our founding fathers intended it to be)

We haven't gone downhill at all, by any stretch. Our country continues to evolve - exactly as our founding fathers intended it - and we will continue to be the best country in the world to live in. Regardless of what you and other naysayers continue to spew. America is a most excellent country, and I'm proud to be an American.

Your pal,
Meat.