Why do Christians always assume they're right?

reply to post by Incarnated


interesting letter of yours but it needs some corrections - within the books there are only hints at the Christs gifts and unique abilities- but he said be as i have been ,learn as i have learned and in so doing become as i have become so where are the actual teachings as to how to unlock your own gifts. Jacobs ladder is all about the dream time-and he cast the demons out is about using past life regression -the healing touch is the god like abilities within us all as stated we are all GOD`S CHILDREN, key word is GOD`S.- He said he`d return when we screamed for help and we did in the 50`s. contact Linda leatherdale of the Toronto sun she has his message & won`t publish it as she was asked to.the high kings guards.

I think what the original poster might be trying to get at is that while many people of a more spiritual viewpoint may have stronly held beliefs that they have crafted as being right for them, while also accepting that JoeBob next doorhas his own personal belief system that is also just right and meets his won personal spiritual needs. That some people can take the major themes from many of the worlds belief systems and see the similarities and the positive themes that run through them all and accept that maybe the journey is more important than the name of the street you choose to travel on.

reply to post by die_another_day

There were basically no live accounts of Jesus Christ and his orations.

Unless you count the books of Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John... oh, sorry those were Biblical books... oh, well, I guess everything that happened before video cameras were invented didn't happen.

I am a Christian. I believe in the Bible, and in Jesus. If you do not wish to, then don't. It's called 'freedom of religion'. The problem there, apparently, is that it applies to everyone, and that even includes Christians.

Sorry about the sarcasm, but I just don't get the whole 'hate Christianity' thing. You cannot preserve your rights by denying them to others.

TheRedneck

RedNeck, You present a view that seems to be becoming more and more scarce in the present day, moderate christians who are able to practice their own faith and deeply believe, while also affording others the right to do the same without passing judgment or damnation.

I personally have been put through the ringer by more than one god fearing christian, called all manner of names, insulted, damned to hell for my heathen ways, told I was unfit to be a mother, and also called a godless whore..to which I replied that technically Godfull or at least Goddess whore would be a better name to call me

The gospels of the new testament were written long after Jesus death, quite possibly by more than one person and after being told time and again. Ever play Telephone?

Not only that but many many books of the original bible were severly altered and many others were completely tossed out as heretical or untrue. Many of these books contained the more esoteric spiritual side of things while the books pertaining to history, moral behavior and rules were left in.

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reply to post by luxor311


Christians are right.

Well, provided you buy into the whole "Woe is me I'm a sinful being that cannot fix my own problems"

Their methods are often questionable, but as the 12-steppers say, the first step is admiting you have a problem

The christian religion has been hijacked. We now have way more to fear from the religious right than we do the terrorist. Just take a look at this CRAP and tell me I'm wrong.
www.liveleak.com...
When the Isrealis were stumbling around in the desert for 40 years recieving intense religious conditioning, they were finally showed the 'promised land' and what were they told to do?
Kill every man woman and child they found.
Now I'm now biblical scholar but that to me sounds like 'Genocide', and we can all do without that filthy way of thinking.

reply to post by luxor311


and the beautiful thing about your response to my post is that i believe you are loved by people here on earth, and also loved by jesus. anything you have and anything you have achieved was done so by the grace of christ, whether you accept him or not. alot of people who post here about denying Jesus, saying his followers are brainwashed, etc. think that by doing this we who are saved will get up in arms and try to defend our position. however, we need not defend ourselves, we need not critisize you, and we need not justify Jesus to you. we are saved, we believe this to be true, because of our faith. god bless you and yours

in buddhism no one told they are right, but buddha came a step closer to the real truth.. and what he did was to show others how to get there.

the majority of religions do not say what one can do to find the answer,
instead they give us answers, stating that there is one real answer
that is worng: you can look at something from different positions, and the same "truth" to us will be different from other points of views..

I think this can be explained by saying:

"Christianity is good, Christians are bad."

Try it. It works with any religion, because religion itself is not a fault, human beings are. Which is also why some religious texts can be confusing, incoherent, and contradicting... because people wrote them.

But that's just what this Atheist thinks.

Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by die_another_day

 

There were basically no live accounts of Jesus Christ and his orations.

Unless you count the books of Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John... oh, sorry those were Biblical books... oh, well, I guess everything that happened before video cameras were invented didn't happen.

You're forgetting about the part where the earliest records of those texts were written 40-100 years after Jesus' supposed death. So he's correct, no LIVE accounts. Just hearsay, legend, and stories passed down. And were most likely changed, altered, forgotten about, and forged.

Just deal with it, you'll be a happier person.

This is what drives me nuts about threads like this. It is never anything new but the same arguments over and over and over and over and over again.

The historicity of Jesus, the canonization process, the reliability of the New Testament authorship, the difference between Old and New Testament revelations, etc. etc. I'm counting down the pages until someone posts the Zeitgeist movie. That is how predictable it has all become with how these threads always turn out. It would be so nice to discuss a topic relating to Christianity without having to drag in the same stale criticisms that have been answered repeatedly.

I apologize for being brief but the same arguments are brought every single time and it gets tiresome.

[edit on 2/12/2008 by AshleyD]

hmmm.....
Why do Christians always assume they are right?

Quick answer: For the same reason anyone with beliefs assumes they are right (otherwise it would be foolish to believe something assumed to be false).

Why do people who aren't Christians always assume they are right? (see answer above)

This thread is ridiculous. If you want to debate religions, this is a prime example of how not to start a conversation. Obviously, the OP has had a few bad experiences with Christians and the way they carry themselves. I have had these as well, but I have also had good experiences with them(the same could be said for any population I have experienced).

The OP is the mirror image of those Christians that inspired this thread in the first place.

I am not going to go out and say that anyone here is anti-Christian but from the volatile comments made, it could seem that way. One needs to explain their ideas in a way that others cannot mistake it for bigotry.

Response to original Ppster:

You won't know what I am (I don't even know what I am), but I have a beliefs. You don't know what those beliefs are because you don't know me. But because I am, therefore I think. Thinking leads to belief or some version thereof.

Why does anyone believe they are right? Because they think. Do you believe you are right? Well alrighty then.

Why do Christians always assume they're right?
They don’t so much as ‘assume they’re right, they know they’re right. They have this hard headed mind set that everyone who doesn’t accepting Jesus as their savoir is misguided and has fallen short of god’s glory.
Try talking to that (…..) from the bible camp and tell her she’s wrong, try telling AshleyD her god is just humanities expression of the universe. I, on the other hand am willing to accept Jesus and god as long as I’m given some physical proof – some logical evidence

That sounds a bit like someone is afraid of Christians. Why would you be afraid of someone that just has a belief system just like you have a belief system? Because you can't change their minds? or because your feel guilty?

Why would someone think a Christian is any more hard-headed than someone else who has a different belief system and refuses to think otherwise? These explanations above do not make sense.

Originally posted by idle_rocker
Why would someone think a Christian is any more hard-headed than someone else who has a different belief system and refuses to think otherwise? These explanations above do not make sense.

We're really not any more hard headed than devout atheists. They do not believe because they haven't seen anything. Many Christians have had something happen to them to validate our beliefs. We're both stubborn but for different reasons. They're not going to budge until they "see it" and we're not going to budge because we have.

reply to post by luxor311


lux Which religon says follow us we don't know whats going on we are just guess the others are right?

Why are you asking the question?

reply to post by AshleyD
Or perhaps the devout atheists ignore the presence of what they're supposed to see when it's right in front of them.

OR..... perhaps... "Christians are the mentally ill?"

Originally posted by idle_rocker
That sounds a bit like someone is afraid of Christians. Why would you be afraid of someone that just has a belief system just like you have a belief system? Because you can't change their minds? or because your feel guilty?

????.........I'm afraid of Christians

Guilty..?

Why would someone think a Christian is any more hard-headed than someone else who has a different belief system and refuses to think otherwise? These explanations above do not make sense.

Because they're the ones who actually think they're running the world. You've got Bush sending troops into Iraq against the UN and the American people and the government doesn't seem to care what the UN think and then when North Korea start building Nukes, Bush has the audacity to point the finger at them for going against the UN.

And if Christians were not in support of bush's actions they wouldn't have voted for him in 2004, clearly they did support his "i do what i feel like" attitude. Clearly Christians think they're right and everyone else's wrong as even Muslims are against the 9/11 attacks.


[edit on 12-2-2008 by andre18]