Police set to search for guns at homes

Police set to search for guns at homes

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As Boston police prepare to go into some of the city's most dangerous neighborhoods, knock on doors of private houses, and ask if they can search for illegal guns without a warrant, officials are trying to pitch the idea of the plan as friendly cooperation to residents who still see it as a threatening intrusion.

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So, what happens if you don't "volunteer"? Will they consider it probable cause that you are hiding something. I hate when things try to get passed off as a cooperation between communities and police.

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Doesnt sound right to me, people have anxiety disorders with that kinda thing, not to mention that probable cause would need to be more then someone not wanting you to come in, thats insane, could be a number of issues why they dont want you to enter their home,

Not to mention they seem to be trying to get people to ignore their Bill of rights

* Fourth Amendment – Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

bill of right wiki

Is there a reason that they are doing this first in boston?

Anyone know why this is the first place.

I dunno, i think its funny seeing how its boston, and I live in Baltimore maryland, otherwise known as Bodymore Murderland.

But they wont try that jazz here, theyd walk into a trap or something, theyre cunning around here, Watch " the Wire " lol

Nothing to really laugh at as these are young kids alot of times gettin hit with strays but yes there are more so gang battles. an such. Corner Wars.

This is the foot in the door. First, it's illegal guns. This is a test to see how it goes, how it is tolerated by the citizenry. And no doubt, it will be-- the logic being: oh, they're doing it in "bad" neighborhoods and only searching for illegal guns. It's a good thing. Where is the NRA on this one?

And if someone consents to a search of their home, how in depth is this search? Plain view, or are they going to search closets and under beds, etc.? And if an officer finds pot in a closet, then what? These people consenting to searches most likely won't have the time or the knowledge of their rights to consider the ramifications.

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Sorry to question you further, but i do not know anything about boston or any other cities bad areas, as i live in england.

Do the police do things first in boston?
Also are you saying boston is not that bad, compared to your city, and is thisall over your news nationwide, or just on the internet?

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That's a good question, "Where's the NRA?" Are they in support of this search and have they been bought? I find this search to be a total violation of privacy and of our rights. It is probably a test to see who complies and how the rest of the nation deals with it. I expect the next search will be to see if we are still using incadescent lights bulbs.

I bet it would be good to have a giant american flag on your wall.

Even in Iraq they allow the Iraqi's to have 1 AK47 per house.So i quess we have less liberty then them.Land of the free isn't as free as we thought.At least we will be free from Bush before to long.But Mccain might just make you wonder what freedom means to.He supports anything Bush says so when Mccain's god Bush isn't president will he still be playing god to Mccain as a expresident.If so could be scary.

this might better help you understand where im comming from. in reguards to boston not needing that kind of attention.

crime rates by cities in USA on Wiki

from Officer.com 2007 Baltimore's rising murder rate

WJZ baltimore concerned over 2007 Homicide Rate

WBAL A Glimmer of hope for baltimore in 2008

So its been a rough past here, but maybe things are changing? Time will tell.

An if u look at that wiki article which is brought to them by the FBI database for 2006, it shows baltimore having a 42 and boston have a 12.9 murder rating by city.

hope this helps

[edit on 10-2-2008 by Tranceopticalinclined]

I sure hope they don't start that down here in the south. I know I will not allow them to search my house. It is none of their business what is in my home, unless I have committed a serious crime and the contents in my home would have something to do with it. Officers of law have to go by the book when it involves me or my kids. If they don't (it's happened few times), I go after them with a well positioned lawyer, of course. The lawmen are humans just like us. They are given a sense of power over people and a loaded gun. They assume in their own minds that we have to obey them no matter what, and for 75% of them let that power go to their heads and start forgetting about all the rules they have to go by. Now I'm not downing ALL lawmen. There are some 'Matt Dillons" spread out all over (God bless them). I just hope it never becomes martial law here because I can see them killing me! I think important issues like this should be voted on by the people , not your elected officials.

Well, I checked the NRA's web site and didn't find anything regarding this confiscation of illegal weapons in Boston. I guess they won't be worried until they come for their guns.

You'd think they'd have some official comment on this. If anyone finds one, I'd be interested in seeing it.

This is an attempt by the police to intimidate people and take advantage of the general population's lack of education in regards to their Constitutional rights.

Public schools are educated the masses so poorly that most people know only four of five amendments to the Constitution and lump all the others under the "mystery rights" category.

So what happens if you say "no"? Are they going to still continue to go through without a warrant? And they say we are not turning into a police state. OMFG!

First, you cannot be forced to comply. This is a program already discussed here wherein the cop's will try and get parents of thug kid's to let them search because they are too weak to manage their own homes.

This breakdown in parental authority has gotten so bad that now the cop's are going around asking to search without warrants and will do so if asked, but legally NO ONE has to comply, and can just say NO. NO WARRANT, NO SEARCH. Thats the law.

If it is volutary and weak parents want to get their kid's guns out of the house, OK. But the question remains: Now that the cop's and gun are gone, the kid is going to be very angry with the parents for losing their gun, and since they are able to get guns anyway, all they have to do is go get another one, and now resentment and anger and in play. You wait and see: I guarantee that we will hear soon about some thug kid gunning down his family for ratting him out, being a snitch.

The thing to do is for the cop's do do their jobs the legal and right way: If they find anyone with an illegal gun or in the commission of a crime then arrest them. But to corrupt the parental relationship and endanger the parents may not be the best way. Sure, the parents should have the guts to take charge of their home, but if they cannot, then rather than have warrantless searches as a cure, maybe regular police work will work in it's place.

It really is very simple...no warrent, no search, get the hell off my property.

Fourth amendment, anyone?

some will let them do it though...sad to say.

Awesome thread as usual palehorse!

Testing the waters of the police-state agenda? Disarm the populace for total domination and complience.

It is just shocking that there can even be justification for this type of activity. It reminds me of a conversation I had with a young friend of my son's yesterday. This friend is in the military reserves having already served one tour. He is drug tested on a regular basis by his now private sector employer, the military, and his college. Three regular drug tests. Even more disturbing...he says this is common and rather expected now. The younger generation sees this as TPTB's right.

They aren't just searching our homes for guns people....they have convinced the next generation that "they" have the "right" to search our bodies anytime they want without probable cause. How is that not unfair search.... The programming for this has been going on a long, long time. A can see alot of people having problems looking a police officer in the eye and saying "no" when they ask to take a look around. Just not right. Nope, just not right.

Peace.

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thanks DD. I wonder if you say no, you will then be watched or "kept an eye on". You know that when you tell a cop no, they usually tend to think that you are hiding something. Their logic is, if you have nothing to hide, it shouldn't be a problem. That is what worries me about this "program". There is no reason to ask to search all the houses in a neighborhood. Not every person in a so called "bad neighborhood" is part of the problem. If they are doing police work in the right way, they should know who is a problem and who isn't.