Life on the other side of the fence

Originally posted by Drakiir
reply to post by atlasastro

 

Fine Im cool with that. I mean proof is proof no matter what form it comes in.

I wish we al could be as subjective with proof as you are.

You cant deny I have positive outcomes and this thread is everyones irrespective of what you say.

i think in all my posts i have stated that this forum is for everyone.

Im done with playing your game, your making me bite and its way too predictable

If seeking the truth and reality are games that you are sick off, than i can understand your frustration as you don't play so well given how predictable this all seem to you.

so good luck in the future and learn to open your mind to possibilities and youll soon find all those doors you shut on yourself will open.

Have a good and happy future in whatever path in life you take.

Thank you for your warm wishes, you wish good luck for me and this i will say- that 99% of good luck is self generated, and i have been very lucky. I hope your future is happy also and although our paths have crossed at this contentious point ,it appears we are either heading in the same direction or going opposite ways..... and if so lets hope they are both good paths.

Originally posted by Witness2008

I see glimpses of them around me but I am always looking where I am told to look. I have memories of being scolded for asking questions.

There energy is intense, authoritative, more parental than anything else.

Gee, it sounds like a bunch of prick doctors, lol. You're under the knife, or about to be, and the anesthesia hasn't knocked you out completely yet so you're talking and asking questions of them, and they, the surgeons or doctors, are like.. "playing dumb" with you blatantly avoiding your questions, almost because they know you will be out like a lightbulb in mere seconds.

Sorry I don't have much else to add here. I've never been abducted by a UFO, I've never convincingly seen one in person, andd .. yeah. I do believe aliens exist, because aliens = intelligent life from outer space, and I'm a firm believer in intelligent life somewhere in the universe besides us. I do believe they have the capability to come to this planet somehow, and I do think they have been videotaped and photographed genuinely, but that the evidence got mixed in with all the fakery and dismissed as fakery or "not enough information" given by the video to explain.

So much fakery breeds so many skeptics, and cynics .. it's quite bad for the community as a whole. People who've truly without a doubt been abducted or have witnessed a true UFO or aliens NEED to be able to disseminate their information. But instead they usually get turned down as fakes. I am not saying I think the abductee's in this thread are genuine or fake in my opinion, I am just saying what I feel about the subject.

reply to post by greeneyedleo

"So then why are you here? The only things you will reveal to us, are things that I can find by googling "Alien encounter" ?

I am here to see how many people share my experiences and there are a lot of them. To try and see what they have gone through and how it compares to me, and what information they know.

So, you are more comitted to these alien beings then you are to us - your fellow human beings - who long to see and know about these beings?

I practically joined them by saying yes to their "offer" as far as I am concerned they have no human could ever give me, a higher understanding and better social and environmental connection than I ever though possible.

Can you at leas tell us about their ship? What did they do with you when they took you?

Their ship was the usual circular shaped design which emitted a white glow, I coudnt spot where the light came from though. They "operated" on me, and felt no pain as was completely calm.

reply to post by Drakiir


Hi,

Ive just read the whole thread, took me a while, and would like to ask a couple of questions myself, if its ok...

You said there are two types of aliens good and bad, are they at war with each other?

How do you know which type you are in contact with, is it by their physical appearance or just what they tell you?

Regards,

JQ.

Originally posted by SantaClaus


You would only be furthering THEIR agenda.. So that would make you what?
A TOOL

That is great.

You just got away with calling names on a technicality, because the english language also allows for that word to mean an instrument of someone else's usage as you are passing it as. But the boldness and larger size must emphasize that you really meant it in the insulting way. And I wrote all of this just so that I would not get in trouble for writing too little in a reply, such as "That is great.". I respect that rule and I appreciate the community following that rule, because it gives us .. more to .. talk about?

[edit on 2/10/2008 by runetang]

Originally posted by Drakiir
reply to post by pikypiky

 

And the feeling you get when someone is watching you well they are thats them, unless no one here never ever gets the feeling,

I think the bottom-line question we need to ask ourselves: Do we believe in ‘alien beings’ or not? For most ‘contacts’ that answer would be an ‘affirmative’. For the 'non-contacts', they will continue to inquire.

After your above mentioned piece of data, the, umm, 'feeling' is mutually understandable in a creepy sort of way. I'm not afraid one bit but annoyed at the fact that some 'contacts' are not allowed to provide empirical evidence for public scrutiny.


Thank you for your time.

[edit on 2008-2-10 by pikypiky]

reply to post by John Q


I go on mainly what they tell me as I unfortunately as it is I have heard both the good and bad versions of hypethetical scenarios and truths as well. I would like it to be only good guys as such but as in all areas of life their is always unfortunate bad to go along right beside it.

reply to post by runetang


RT, I do apologize for the post to the entire board, but won't edit it based on the fact that it is the first time I've edited the html of my actual text ever. And I'm a bit proud.

I see that I've added you as a friend based on some other thread. And again, you are a sound reasoner, so I won't bother arguing, as I must already agree with you.

I am sorry for the rude, obvious remark. I will awake tomorrow to a bit of shame, I must say. I am punch drunk from a 60 hr work week, so my frustration is misplaced. But to stay on subject.....

This is going nowhere. My questions to all of these threads are mostly the same, although worded more politely. And I usually bail out sooner, but I really saw some great questions from the contributors of this thread go unanswered, so I wanted to continue.

Went a bit far, but will keep uneditted for referential purposes.

By the way, your brand of sarcasm is my personal favorite. No offense, I actually mean it.

As a Hypnotherapist, Ufologist, and Spiritual Medium, there are some points that I wish to make.

Hi Drakiir,

You have done a fine job in defending your position amidst all the skepticism and accusations of mental illness and even having had "audio-hallucinations" brought on from one or more aneurysms.

Even the phrase "audio-hallucination" is indicative of the ignorance and prejudice of those who use it. The correct term is clairaudience. But in order to embrace the correct word, one would have to be open to the idea that life before birth and life after death are a reality, that those on the Other Side constantly telepathically influence those on This Side, and that all dreams are not created by one part of the brain (as was theorized by Sigmund Freud), but are in fact messages from Spirit that are often revealed not literally but symbolically

1. There are millions of abductees that have had similar experiences.

Roper's representative American sample of about 6000 adults (with a sampling error of 1.4 percent!) showed that one out of every 50 people met the profile of an abductee. This figure suggests that about 33,000,000 individuals had been abducted in America. A closer look at these specific profiles showed that these people were not "average" at all.

Roper Study & Analysis

2. As is confirmed from various governmental insiders, the Greys, Reptilians, Nordics and Preying Mantises all stem from and/or are headquartered on Reticulum 4 in the Zeta 2 Reticuli System.

Home System of the Greys

3. There are alien spirits involved in all this who have no bodies and who have no spacecraft. Often referred to as Pleiadians, these are the ones who promote the spiritual message that the changes are ultimately for the good of humankind. This is true but only for those who actively strive to raise their consciousness in the process. And the best way to do that is to use Heart Chakra Radiance daily (see signature link).

4. The incarnate or physical Reticulans are not spiritually focused but self-serving. They are not here for the betterment of humanity. They are only here to continue to do what they have done for many thousands of years: to harvest (use) this planet and its peoples selfishly.

5. The reason why the Reticulans are so interested in us - as has been revealed to various abductees by their captors - is because this planet is considered to have an abundance of raw genetic material with which to use for various purposes.

6. The notion that the Greys need us for their immune systems or because they are from a dying world is total nonsense. The tall and short Greys, Nordics, and Hybrids all serve The Zetan Empire which is ruled by the Reptilians (who cannot shape-shift) and the Preying Mantises.

7. There is indeed a war on the horizon with the Reticulans. It will not be caused from their invasion, as they are already here and in great numbers. Retired US Army Sgt. Clifford Stone has said that there are probably "twelve or fewer" fully operational Zetan bases on and around this planet.

I think that they probably have 12 or fewer bases. The greys may have various, let's say, hideouts. As far as actual full scale operational bases, there's probably 12 or fewer.

Interview With Sgt. Clifford Stone

Another member of Dr. Steven Greer's Disclosure Project said that they also have a large base inside the Moon. There is even speculation abounding that the Moon was built by the Reticulans in order to serve as a base and observation post for the harvesting of this planet. It also serves to moderate gravitation and weather patterns. Ancient historical records point to a time when there was no moon here.

8. The war with the Reticulans will likely be caused from them officially taking over the governments. Many believe that they are cultivating a Hybrid army to use as an occupational force. That Hybrid army stems from their long-term breeding program.

9. The Reticulans activate a strong electromagnetic field around their manned ships and probes in order to manifest optical invisibility. They do not travel interdimensionally but it appears that they do when they activate their cloaking mechanisms. One can see through this by utilizing infrared night vision equipment. This is proven in the film UFO: The Greatest Story Ever Denied.

10. The Reticulans also use electromagnetic pulse (EMP) weapons. This is the cause behind automobile engines stalling out prior to an abduction. This is also the reason why we have so much difficulty filming them or even taking their picture. EMP weapons are often used to set up a kidnapping and there is even a case whereby they used it on underground computers that control the United State's missile defense systems. This caused those systems to temporarily deactivate. Any electrical system can be at least temporarily disabled through advanced EMP weaponry.

11. The notion that the Reticulans have godlike powers is the result of implanted screen memories in abductees. Pure propaganda. I have been within fifty feet of a floodlight paralysis beam. If they could walk through walls, teleport, or read minds, I would have become an abductee. They can do none of those things.

12. The Reticulans as well as various governmental agencies, who at times operate covertly in the US and elsewhere, greatly oppose absolute proof of an extraterrestrial civilization visiting and having various bases here. If ATS ever had physical proof, it would be shut down. Many people need to keep this in mind. Even way back at the time of the Roswell, New Mexico, crash in 1947, whereby the remains of Zetan spacecraft and even bodies were recovered, the US Army threatened the townspeople to keep quiet or else.

Never underestimate the power and influence of those with greater firepower threatening the incarceration or death of you and/or your family. It is a very effective means of preventing open disclosure from happening.

I also applaud the others in this thread who have offered their own corroborating experience and/or opinion.



[edit on 10-2-2008 by Paul_Richard]

I didn't imply you had a mental illness because I asked about an MRI. It's a diagnostic tool, period. No matter how others may want to twist what I say, it remains true.

So, to be perfectly clear...these beings made of you a "contact". You are not allowed to disclose information about them. You can't communicate with them. They direct you to other contacts...but it's an arduous, nightmarish life. And you're glad to be of service. Except you want to talk to other people who have experienced the same thing. Like the feeling someone is watching you. (It's them) Paranoid delusions always feel really real to the people experiencing them. (I'm not saying you are.)

My sister had recurring episodes of deja vu. She was convinced she had experienced moments in life before. No one could convince her otherwise. She could finish a sentence for you. It was spooky! She actually ended up being epileptic. Little 'thunderstorms in the brain'...it had a scientific explanation. Four hundred years ago, she probably would've been burned as a witch.

I guess my point is: You can't blame people for looking for plausible reasons for your symptoms. Coming forth this way, you MUST have realized there would be people that would find it hard to swallow.


ps.."Audio-hallucination" is just a term I used instead of medical terminology others (usually pompous people) tend to use. Kind of like saying "high blood pressure" instead of hypertension, if you get my drift. It's clearer and more definitive.

[edit on 10-2-2008 by themillersdaughter]

reply to post by Paul_Richard


Hi Paul! Sorry, but I don't dig. You have very 'authoritatively' brought out certain aspects without any evidence, corroboration or proof, especially the so called 'abduction' phenomenon.

I firmly believe that there are advanced extraterrestrial civilizations that have, and are, visiting Earth and other planets. Some are perhaps millions of years ahead of us in technology. Probably advanced cultures have been partying around the universe even before the formation of the Solar System!

Now having said that, I do NOT believe in the theory of ‘Grey’ aliens abducting humans and that they are working in tandem with secret organizations like those in Area 51, Dulce and so on.

All this is nothing but covert psychological conditioning of citizens by secret black projects like MKULTRA, regarded by some as the most heinous of all the CIA's disreputable covert operations — with its most secret area of study being psycho electronics. What is their aim? Probably psychological conditioning of the human mind to CONTROL humanity!

So what about the so-called alien abductions? I feel these are people being experimented with by none other than these freaking so called super secret organizations.

These ideas are being implanted in the subconscious mind so that we are made to fear aliens.

The kidnapping is real. The fear is real. The pain is real. The instructions are real. But the little grey men from Zeti Reticuli are not real; they are constructs, Halloween masks meant to disguise the real faces of the controllers. Martin Canon

And as the latest estimates suggest, millions of Americans are alleged to have been abducted! Americans! Heck, why not Indians? Chinese? French? Germans? Probably the Greys don’t understand their languages!!

So all this talk of alien abductions and “Greys’ is pure and simple nonsense. It’s nothing but a part of mind control ops with the ultimate aim of manipulating mankind to the whims of the controllers of a New World Order!! Is America the starting place for this horrendous, dreadful experiment?

If you're an American, beware!! You may be next!!

Have a nice day!

Cheers!

reply to post by Paul_Richard


Thank god your here. I started this post in hope of answering general question to help people get a better understanding of what went on. I even told one person what the interior of a ship looks like and I still get accused of being a raving nutcase and a delusional one at that. Somehow everyone expects me to verify every single theory and every question the universe has to offer, what am I a Universal Encarta.

The ones in control know many things I don't but if I did ask a specific question it would only be answered to contacts like myself and others. They don't put it in a newspaper and sell it to the public "the alien tribune".

I hear a couple of other post talk about shakra and was curious to know what it was about. From what I know abductees sometimes remember some contact or even don't remember in case where contacts maintain connections with them through networks of people, is this pretty much it in a nutshell?

Expect them to ask you for physical proof of what your saying just like they have been bombarding me with them, too much curiosity can send you crazy. Like anyone would hand evidence over to the average joe bloe, from an alien species, in a million years of too. What proof i do have i couldn't show anyway.

You have some top information, you should send me a u2u Id love to hear more, I can offer information to the ufology community. Id be interested in joining it as well. Sounds like an opportunity worth taking. Thanks for the info i apprciate it greatly.

Hi,

This does sound like a version of animal testing to me ie mice in a lab, we would be animals to them anyway. You wouldnt need to test every single human to do this.

Do you think there is a more sinister side to their contact?

I think you did say, they could land here in the next few years...

Regards,

JQ.

reply to post by mikesingh

Sorry Mike...you are way off.

As you know full well, there is no proof of anything in ATS. In your own posts you have occasionally provided links to back up your theories. Which is exactly what I have done here.

As stated in my previous post: proof of extraterrestrials in ATS would result in it being shut down by the federal government.

What we have to work within forums like this one is: deductive and inductive reasoning, personal experience, anecdotal evidence, occasionally some physical evidence (like limb and/or head implants, scars, radiation sickness, etc.), cultivated intuition (for a few), and logical extrapolation.

Ohhhhh, I get it, now. You only want to hear from others who've had similar experiences. Or..wait...you want to tell others about your experience. But, only if they will stroke your ego, first. If the aliens whom made you a contact can direct you to other cantacts...why are you here trying to find other contacts?

Are the aliens NOT letting you contact others, or are they DIRECTING you to contact others.

Please pick a personality!

ps...it's spelled "Chakra". Feel free to research Ayurvedic medicine on your own...you don't have to believe in anything supernatural

reply to post by themillersdaughter


So, to be perfectly clear...these beings made of you a "contact". You are not allowed to disclose information about them. You can't communicate with them. They direct you to other contacts...but it's an arduous, nightmarish life. And you're glad to be of service. Except you want to talk to other people who have experienced the same thing.

Except the nightmarish life part which complete opposite of my life. The other people the beings want me to find, they guide me to others or contacts who are identical to me, the problem is they are so rare.