Time travellers from the future 'could be here in weeks'

Time travellers from the future 'could be here in weeks'

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Physicists around the world are excitedly awaiting the start up of the £4.65 billion Large Hadron Collider, LHC - the most powerful atom-smasher ever built - which is supposed to shed new light on the particles and forces at work in the cosmos and reproduce conditions that date to near the Big Bang of creation.

Prof Irina Aref'eva and Dr Igor Volovich, mathematical physicists at the Steklov Mathematical Institute in Moscow believe that the vast experiment at CERN, the European particle physics centre near Geneva in Switzerland, may turn out to be the world's first time machine, reports New Scientist.

The debut in early summer could provide a landmark because travelling into the past is only possible - if it is possible at all - as far back as the point of creation of the first time machine.

That means 2008 could become "Year Zero" for temporal travel, they argue.

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I've never heard that time travelers travelling into the past could only go as far back as the time that the first time machine was built.

Pretty interesting.

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You know, initially I scoffed at the whole John Titor thing. But in light of much of the stuff he said was going to happen 8 years ago, I'm sitting up and taking notice. This guy hit on quite a number of things, and his story is becoming more enrapturing to me with each passing week.
He said they could only go back about 60 years or so.

Originally posted by Sickscent
I've never heard that time travelers travelling into the past could only go as far back as the time that the first time machine was built.

Yheah, that's pretty much a cardinal rule. I'm gonna have to read a bit of stuff over again to have an understandable point ~ but!! the long and short of it is if you turn a time machine on (the hadron collector could do nicely) then a message (that has been sent err. 200 years hence?) would be received (possibly) at the time you flicked the thing on (as that would be the first possible opportunity).....

Don't expect a Delorean to bust outta nowhere with a midget and a loon inside any possible time travel would only be limited to data (if at all)... still would be nice to hear from the ungrateful great great grand genetic experiments

Its still all to much for my mind to take in, and believe. I wonder though, if it really can be done, then will all time traverlers go to a alternate earth (like in Michael Creighton's "Timeline") in that book he makes time travel a real do-a-ble thing, but...you go to the past of a different earth. Time splits off in different directions (like tree branches) so like that TV show "sliders" you can end up in a world like the author "Harry Turtle Dove" comes up with (a good book to read by him is guns of the south where time travelers go back to the civil war and take AK-47'S)

So anyway, thats weird

If there is only one reality than going back to the point of the machines creation would be kinda true but it would also create pardox. The only way around paradox is exactly as titor described.

I wonder if the ex-area 51 poster has a comment about this, its an interesting coincidence.

Interesting speculation, yet even these capable scientists are not sure if time-travel is even possible, much less what the details are regarding what is possible and what isn't within the context. What, perhaps, if a trillion-year-old alien species has already built a time machine?

Yeah thats what im thinking ^^^^

What if we build it then all these people/things come streaming through from the end of the world?

I dont buy that you would be able to travel anyway. Maybe view parts of the past at some point . But i doubt travel will ever happen.

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It's really not likely to be physical travel! I'm still lazyly looking for a link on this, but basically a message could be sent - not people or things... It would be on the level of strange results from experiments that should have random outcomes - the strange outcomes would be whatever message was being sent... Once this end figured out the first message then conceivably you would have a 'message in a bottle' method of sending information back (only back)

I was thinking that too. What if another sentience had already built a time machine. I guess it would be more of a localized area of space that the time machine would work in. You know how they say different galaxies may have different properties, whether elements or physics.

After getting excited because the beginning part of the article made this event sound imminent, upon reading further, words like "possibly" and "maybe" were increasingly used.

Obviously the appearance of time travelers in a "few weeks" is only a possibility so that is a given. But what confused me is do they have the proper working technology or not and is it approaching completion if so? It sounded like they did at first and that this was totally 'probable,' then 'possible,' then 'maybe,' then 'we really don't know if this will work at all.'

Anyone know?

Good find, OP. Fascinating stuff.

so this is essentially a time machine

we'll know if it works if they start receiving stock tips from the future

Originally posted by AshleyD
After getting excited because the beginning part of the article made this event sound imminent, upon reading further, words like "possibly" and "maybe" were increasingly used.

Obviously the appearance of time travelers in a "few weeks" is only a possibility so that is a given. But what confused me is do they have the proper working technology or not and is it approaching completion if so? It sounded like they did at first and that this was totally 'probable,' then 'possible,' then 'maybe,' then 'we really don't know if this will work at all.'

Anyone know?

Good find, OP. Fascinating stuff.

Thanks. Wouldn't this be all possibilities before it is turned on or whatever? I mean, nobody has any hard facts on exactly how the time traveling thingy really works. I would imagine that all they have is probabilities to go on. I don't think they would have everything so precise that they could say, "Yes, without a doubt this is gonna work."

Besides, its a good way to cover your ass when no one shows up because we all get pole shifted in four years.

Maybe I've watched too many Stargate SG1 episodes, but doesn't this sound more like a stargate than a time machine? Maybe they believe they have found a way to energize the stargate by using this other energy source as an ignition point? Some have speculated we went to Iraq because Saddam had one there and possibly that may have needed parts we already had? (hmmmmmm)

That info was from Dan Burisch and some others. Getting Saddam for a part of the Stargate. He said it takes 3 parts to make it functional. The US used a remote viewer to locate Saddam and the part in that little spider hole. Always wondered how we found the bastard so quick.

you know I thought one reason time travel (like in the H.G.Wells book and TV shows , outer limits etc..show ) could never be done in a stationary machine is that the earth is hauling through space and the time traveler would come out to the empty void or somewhere else besides earth.

John Titor mentioned the first time travel will take place at CERN, but... There was no mention of World Government in the John Titor thing, and he claimed that Earth was contaminated with nuclear fallout. WHY would the Elite poison their own planet? So my theory on John Titor is that John Titor is, to a certain point, psychic, and his "memories of the future" are his psychic visions. Not a really good psychic, since he got the Olympics prediction wrong! That Titor thing contains a needle of truth in a haystack of nonsense, if you ask me.

What if they decided to do what they are going to do, contain all the energy into one particle atom and it decides to react. If this happens, like a positive atom and a negative atom collision, wouldn't it cause all matter in a radius of who knows how big to disintegrate into nothing? This could actually be used as a weapon that could be thousands of times stronger than nuclear capable weapons.

Time travellers? Not unless they are the size of subatomic particles. Then they might be really pissed at being beamed into the middle of a hadron collision.