Ex Area 51 Employee - Lets try this again

Originally posted by riotact1

It seems to me that there are a number of people reading this thread that could answer some, if not all, of our questions...

Very astute observation I am 100% positive that this is true...

However here is the problem... those that have those answers are under oath no to talk, and they take those oaths seriously so won't... and I am sure they are here to get a laugh from those who claim to be the real deal

lets stop the BS and give us some dirt. Even if it is dis info...would love to hear something with some meat on it.

One person I know got a job as attendant on Janet Airlines just so he could find out where they stopped... afterwards he says he can't tell us because of that oath...

This is how it works...

reply to post by exnyconnection


anyone who's read the Serpo hoax knows this piece of information.

If there were going to be disclosure from Area 51, wouldn't it have come from one of the people who tried to sue for their cancer, and were told by the US Gov that they could not sue due to national security?

reply to post by zorgon
I realize they can't talk...I've never set foot anywhere near A51. That's why it's funny to see somebody here talking. I'm in aviation and have been for 20 years...worked on RAYTHEON jets...worked with nukes, although neither had anything to do with the other. We were not allowed to speak of some of the things we saw and none of what I know is interesting in the least. But I know something is up and it appears to be coming to a head and I want to know badly. So I continue to search and always will.

Originally posted by riotact1 But I know something is up and it appears to be coming to a head and I want to know badly. So I continue to search and always will.

As do we all...

But if you flew to work everyday on a Janet airplane, would you not know the name of the flight attendant you see everyday?

Could you not tell me the name of the security guard at the gate you get checked at everyday?

Would you have to think about it? Or would it be more like "Hey Joe how's the wife doing?"

Everyone asks the top questions expecting revelations... yet the mundane stuff will better show if you have actually been there...

Like can you describe the mess hall you ate in for those 20 years? I know my friend Jack (Army) used to pop over to the AF mess... the food was better

Its those stories that will tell the truth, because there is little top secret about the dining room and its a place anyone working their would be familiar with... and not violate any oaths in talking about




[edit on 13-2-2008 by zorgon]

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by riotact1 But I know something is up and it appears to be coming to a head and I want to know badly. So I continue to search and always will.

As do we all...

But if you flew to work everyday on a Janet airplane, would you not know the name of the flight attendant you see everyday?

Could you not tell me the name of the security guard at the gate you get checked at everyday?

Would you have to think about it? Or would it be more like "Hey Joe how's the wife doing?"

Everyone asks the top questions expecting revelations... yet the mundane stuff will better show if you have actually been there...

Like can you describe the mess hall you ate in for those 20 years? I know my friend Jack (Army) used to pop over to the AF mess... the food was better

Its those stories that will tell the truth, because there is little top secret about the dining room and its a place anyone working their would be familiar with... and not violate any oaths in talking about

[edit on 13-2-2008 by zorgon]

Zorgon, I think you are pretty much on the right track there. I know you have been doing this since I was still a pup, but I have one concern.

How do we ever know for certain what the cafateria looks like to begin with. Maybe someone tells us, but how do we know for certain that that someone really knows? Maybe you know this person in real life, and can attest to their honesty and knowledge. That does not go very far in validating for the rest of us though if you know what I mean? Maybe they painted it since that person was there last. Maybe they fired the whole Janet crew. I am just afraid if we measure someones honesty, by someone else's testimony then we will never stop running into problems.

Found this link...could this be what ZX was talking about???

Click here for story


"Time travel could be a reality within just three months, Russian mathematicians have claimed.

They believe an experiment nuclear scientists plan to carry out in underground tunnels in Geneva in May could create a rift in the fabric of the universe.

Life imitating art? Actors Michael J. Fox and Christopher Lloyd in the movie Back to the Future. Scientists say that time travel could be a reality in just three months

The European Organisation for Nuclear Research (CERN) hopes its "atom-smashing" tests - which aim to recreate the conditions in the first billionth of a second after the "Big Bang'" created everything - will shed invaluable light on the origins of the universe.

But Irina Aref'eva and Igor Volovich, of Moscow's Steklov Mathematical Institute, say the energy produced by forcing tiny particles to collide at close to the speed of light could open the door to visitors from the future.

According to Einstein's general theory of relativity, any large amounts of matter or energy will distort the space and time that surrounds it.

If the energy or mass is large enough, it is claimed that time can be distorted so much that it folds back on itself - creating a wormhole, or time tunnel, between the present and the future.

But Dr Brian Cox, a member of CERN and one of Britain's leading experts in particle physics, is highly sceptical about the Russian claims, calling them "nothing more than a good science fiction story".


Wormhole: Scientists plan to carry out tests in underground tunnels in Geneva in May which could create a rift in the fabric of the universe

He said: "Cosmic ray collisions in the upper atmosphere are far more energetic than anything we can produce.

"They have been occurring for five billion years, and no time travellers have appeared.

"Stephen Hawking has suggested that any future theory of quantum gravity will probably close this possibility off, not least because the universe usually proceeds in a sane way, and time travel into the past isn't sane."

Cynics often point out that if time travel was really possible, we would have been visited by people from the future.

However, Einstein's laws of physics suggest that time travel is only possible into the past as far as the point when the first time machine was invented. "

[edit on 13-2-2008 by AGENT51]

Originally posted by AGENT51
Found this link...could this be what ZX was talking about???

Click here for story

Not to be rude Agent, but this was posted last week. Waaaay behind the times here It is an interesting piece none the less.

Hello, to be honest I'm very skeptical about this thread, now not to sound sensationalist but I read though a lot of Blogs, satements and other documents to test the credability, please guys being so polite, dont be because other wise ATS is going to be full of Disinformation such as this.

Now I've thread though the whole post and I quickly come to the conclusion that you statement is false, now I do mean to be rude of be synical.
Now it does sound sliightly diloutional, or possibly a fantasy of yours to play as an Ex Goverment Offical working at the Groom Lake Faciltiy, like Bob Lazar did however Bob Lazar came across as increadible genuine unlike this case.

The reason I say this is that simple, I could not spot any langauge structure problems and presume its an excuse for your bad enlgish and the creadiblity of your story. Also your use of language is just ordinary and it come across far too much as informal, like a young person would write and show slight nievity, also for the subject you was describing, you used no technical jargon or a langauge which you'd exspect from someone in your field. Now I say your field because you'd have to have a rather indepth knowledge and position to be talking about black holes and qauntum mechanicS and the technology you describe. Now you'd wouldn't know about this unless you had a very specific role within this project, I say this because all classified and Military projects Isolate them complety to the people involved directly. This projects have increadibly high security and discrection. So there fore evenn if you worked at Area 51 you woudn't know anything about this unless you were involved which I've concluded you don't.

So overalll I assume that this story was fabricated from breif knowledge from things your read up on.

Ofcourse its a complete fabrication... Im surprised someone had to actually come out and say it.

Originally posted by donk_316
Ofcourse its a complete fabrication... Im surprised someone had to actually come out and say it.

Well technically no one has come right out and said it. There is still no [HOAX] in the thread name

Originally posted by riotact1
none of what I know is interesting in the least.

Hmmmm so you did not see any beam weapons on those RAYTHEON jets? Or you can't tell

Hmmm so far I can only find "Raytheon will supply its advanced technology systems, called active electronically scanned array, or AESA, radar..."

Raytheon wins Air Force jet radar contract


Well this one is mounted on a Humvee... so that doesn't count...
Report: Raytheon 'heat beam' weapon ready for Iraq

"Raytheon is working with the U.S. Air Force to develop an airborne laser terminal that would allow reconnaissance platforms to beam high-bandwidth information streams to command and control aircraft or to satellites."
SOURCE

Oops here it is...
New Solid-State Laser Developed for Airborne Laser Program

Airborne Laser (ABL)
Boeing Integrated Defense

Test Site Contractors:
Raytheon
Raytheon Services Nevada, official*
www.ufomind.com...

Raytheon Polar Services Company - Raytheon Polar Services Home Page
Welcome to the Raytheon Polar Services Company (RPSC) web site. ... Learn more about the United States Antarctic Program by visiting the USAP web site at ...
rpsc.raytheon.com/

My they ARE busy little critters aren't they?



[edit on 13-2-2008 by zorgon]

Originally posted by sputniksteve
How do we ever know for certain what the cafateria looks like to begin with. Maybe someone tells us, but how do we know for certain that that someone really knows? Maybe you know this person in real life, and can attest to their honesty and knowledge. That does not go very far in validating for the rest of us though if you know what I mean? Maybe they painted it since that person was there last. Maybe they fired the whole Janet crew. I am just afraid if we measure someones honesty, by someone else's testimony then we will never stop running into problems.

Quite true... but its not WHAT they say... its how they say it that is important... you would have to be a very good hoaxer to pull off a 'casual chit chat' atmosphere... I don't want to go into detail but if you were talking about your old school you would have a way of sharing those memories that stick with you, whether good or bad... so what I do is analyze HOW they talk.

Is it 100%? No of course not... but it DOES add to the credibility... its easy to pull big 'facts' from the internet... its not so easy to have a conversation of what it was like working there

I hope I am being clear... without laying down a game plan for future hoaxers

John and I just drove by the Janet terminal yesterday... there were over 1000 cars in the parking lot... Seems they are building a really cool new terminal... (will try to get pictures... The new construction to the north now allows access almost to the tarmac... Close enough to the boarding you could recognize a face as they boarded

[edit on 13-2-2008 by zorgon]

reply to post by zorgon


No I fully get what your saying. That makes sense obviously. Thanks for shedding a different light on it.

I wasn't certain at first, but i think i have finally identified zx4551

As crazy as that sound, here it is: the proof

reply to post by themaster1


What?
What makes you think that is him? Or is this a joke?

*so confused* LOL

reply to post by zorgon
I worked on a DC-10 and a DC-9... full of avionics nose to tail. Both used as test beds for different "systems" that you have, no doubt, already read about. Far from alien technology.

Originally posted by themaster1
I wasn't certain at first, but i think i have finally identified zx4551

As crazy as that sound, here it is: the proof

personnally, i think the MIBs have got ZX in AREA51 and are still probing him for saying he worked at AREA51

i just hope his head was not still up his (that place where the sun dont shine) when they started probing cause that would give anybody a bad headache..

i just dont know if your photo is a before shot or an after shot, TBH, it could be either

is that the guy from the x-files, had a caravan full of listening devices
ya gotta love this place

CF

Originally posted by riotact1
reply to post by zorgon

 

I worked on a DC-10 and a DC-9... full of avionics nose to tail. Both used as test beds for different "systems" that you have, no doubt, already read about. Far from alien technology.

riotact, could elaborate about 'avionics from nose to tail'??

I mean, the C-9 (USAF version of the civie DC-9) could, certainly, have the cabin stripped of seats, and filled with electronics for whatever experiments (except for a few seats for Techs?)...but not ALL OF the way to the tail (grin) since there is the aft pressure bulkhead in the way...OK, I admit, it's like, 10 or 12 feet from the end of the tail....but it IS an exit door built into the bulkhead, pull a handle, tailcone drops off, slide deploys....hope you at least kept the forward galley...

Military version of the DC-10 is the KC-10, but that may only refer to the Tanker variant. Of course, using the same hull, you could design it anyway you wished, while taking into consideration the locations of the eight doors [edit here...I know the KC-10 didn't have the same door locations as the civie DC-10, so just wanted to add this...] and the lower E&E hatch, just below the cockpit. Still, the pressure bulkheads will probably remain in the same locations....

So, can you tell us more about all of these avionics, now that we know that almost the whole volume of the cabin (except for the area where the center fuel tank is located) can be converted to this use? How many extra antennae were needed? It isn't hard to install an antenna, for the military, of course.

Did they keep the original cabin floors in place? That is, did they keep all of the advanced stuff in the cabin, keeping the original floors (the floor that separates from the Cargo areas, and the other mechanical stuff...Hydraulic, Pneumatic, Electrical...well, I just answered my own question there, unless not needed the floor was probably left in place. Since, it would need to be there to meet the threshold of the Main Cabin Doors.....or, did they convert a KC-10, taking out the fuel bladder from the main part of the fuselage?

I am not asking to try to trip you up, just interested, for historical purposes....


[edit on 13-2-2008 by weedwhacker]

Oh man, lol I can't believe I'm going to be the nerd to answer this question. However, the man in that picture would be "Max" from The X-Files. (His last name is escaping me at the moment. Thank god, maybe I'm not as big of a nerd as I thought.) He was involved in a fairly important story arc in the series that started the first season and I believe ended in season 4. He was in like 3 episodes.

Alien abductee, taken off an airplane in mid-flight. Very cool episodes.

reply to post by Malynn


At the risk of a one-line-post warning.....well, I quess I can stretch it a little, and chat about nothing for a while...OK!

Malynn, that is so funny, thanks for pointing it out...