Cops to be given flashlight that 'incapacitates' from Homeland security

reply to post by greeneyedleo


Yes, good points

There HAVE to be ways of controlling some people, and this flashlight thing, ASSUMING it's totally safe and without permanent side effects, I think is kind of cool.

ASSUMING this is totally safe, I think it could save lives.

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
reply to post by BlueRaja

 

People SHOULD be able to sit across the street and protest policies or war-supporting candidates that they do not agree with. Their voice should have a right to be heard-Not herded off a few blocks away into irrelevancy. Do I think they should be able to burst into a building or block off an entrance? No, not necessarily.

I don't disagree that protesters should be able to voice their opinions. I don't think that they have a right to create such a disturbance that they prevent someone else from also exercising free speech. Free speech shouldn't be limited to how loud one can speak over someone else. I don't believe that free speech means the right to disrupt an event from occurring. I also believe that if the protest occurs on private property, there is no guarantee that they won't be dispersed.

Originally posted by SimonSays
I guess nobody has even thought about countering
this device with UV- Sunglasses which acts as a shield.
The same kind of glasses used by wielders.

To my understanding, a major part of the LED Incapacitator effect comes from the frequency of the light pulses, not just the intensity. If I remember correctly, there's a frequency around 63 Hz that is interacting adversely with the "natural" frequency of human eyes. That's why old-fashioned computer CRT displays with the default 60-or-so Hertz refresh rate made some people feel nauseous or even ill.

I don't have any references to mention, as I read about this phenomenon more than ten years ago from some Finnish scientific magazines. I didn't experience any of those effects with low-frequency computer displays myself, but during those times, I very frequently had to get stronger glasses from the optician before I switched to better CRT displays with higher refresh rates. Now my eyes have remained the same for about seven years even if I still work 10 hours a day on a computer. I won't go under 80 Hz voluntarily if I have to work in front of a CRT display.

Of couse, welding goggles (normal or automatic) would cut the intensity of the LED Incapacitator light, but I'm quite sure there is more in this LED gun technology than "what meets the eye". In other words, not all technical aspects of this device are likely to be public information... Yet.

I bet someday there will be DIY instructions available for such a device on someone's Web pages for anyone to download. But of course the LED gun and anything resembling it will be made illegal to own. At least in Europe, where even a common Swiss army knife found in your possession may cause you a hefty ticket if you don't have a Real reason fo carrying such a dangerous (!) weapon. Especially if you're a bearded biker riding a Harley. However, being a lab responsible person in a big, very well known electronics company may help, despite the beard and bike...

OK, my bike is a 2+1 wheeled Soviet-made sidecar Tank from the sixties, even cooler than a Harley and even more difficult to ride.


--Doc Li

I'll refrain from the MIB "K, did you flashy thing me?" jokes and just get right down to it.

Will this be used in conjunction with normal stops when the office feels unsure much like the common practice of unsnapping the holster strap before approaching the car?

What is the effect on persons in altered states such as '___' or Extacy in which varied light stimulation has different results?

How much time of exposure is required to get the desired effect? If the effects are not immediate and the range is short enough would losing your eyes give you an advantage with some blind fighting skills?

If the effect is to remove one's self from the display how quick is the recovery. I would think having retinal spots and trying to drive away from the officer would be a far greater danger than a drunk driver esspecially if it is an escape attempt let alone released after being issued a speeding ticket.

While it does seem rather neat of an item, I question if the effects can be resisted by not trying to process the visual information given by the light as it seems to depend on the brain trying to figure out the pattern for it to work and therefore make sense so it doesn't disorient much like two strobe lights in different places can make you miss a stair in the shadows caused by not adjusting to pattern. Yeah I worked in a haunted house and had to slow down the speed and turn one off to keep people from tripping on the stairs.

"Seriously K, how many times did you flashy thing me?" I couldn't resist.

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Originally posted by MrWendal
Sometimes I am amazed at all the "non lethal" weapons and I can not help but think back to the words of John Titor. Hoax or not, you can't help but notice how certain things seem to be ringing true as time continues to roll on by.

Hey, you know, you're right, John Titor did mention the "seizure light" already. This is probably it...

Britney Spears could have used one of these iincapacitators today as
her vehicle was swarmed by more than a dozen papaRotzi at a stop light
on her way home from the asylum.
This 38,000,000 candle power buzz would have served a dual purpose to nullify the cameras as well as the purpsarotzi. If anyone caught the film at 09:00 I now do not blame any victum celeb or not from taking defensive measures aginst these piranna.



Mod Note: Please Stay on Topic


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First of all, the monkier "non-lethal"weapons has been removed from the vocabulary regarding devices used by police to control a suspect. The name is "less lethal." This is because any of those devices can result in death if used improperly or a person has certain pre-existing conditions.

Now, on to the flashlight. A new device of which I have no real knowledge. You can bet that anyone who is certified to use it will have had it used on them.

More choices of less-lethal devices, and ones that are even less lethal than the ones in current use are a good thing people. Prior to these devices a cop had his choice of hands, nightstick, gun. I dont know about you but given the choice of this light, or even a Taser are preferable over a nightstick...and yes, I have been "tased"

So while many of you think this is just a build up to when the govt green lights all the cops to round you up like cattle, the rest of us who USE these devices to protect ourselves and lessen the damage we have to inflict when controlling a suspect, welcome them.

Jeeeeesh; I posted this thread in different wording and no one answered...go figure.

The trend is a bad one and will mean more injuries needlesly.

Originally posted by eyewitness86
Jeeeeesh; I posted this thread in different wording and no one answered...go figure.

The trend is a bad one and will mean more injuries needlesly.

Can you please elaborate on that comment? This device at least appears to be very mild in comparison to whats out there.

So how does it create more injuries? As far as needless...if every suspect simply complied when told to put their hands behind their backs then there wouldnt be a need for any less lethal device.

Since that isnt how it works in the real world these devices are necessary.

The average citizen would do well to carry all legal equipment that might make a difference in a fight, be it with a thig without a badge or with one. The very bright light and a ligtht that flashes a very bright light are effective; but not if the person looks away as you do it.

A Tazer type device is good, cops are not the only ones that can get them..and legality matters not a bit when you have it when needed. Being able to stop a pursuer is important, and less than lethal is good. We just need to make sure that we are not the only ones without them!!

reply to post by toreishi


"The Maxablaster is a 38-million-candlepower flashlight that was made at home by (mad?) optics engineer Ralf Ottow. Replacing a commercial flashlight's bulb with a plasma-powered mercury arc bulb, the Maxablaster creates a highly focused beam of light with a high UV content not so different from a star."

Oops. Better update this candlepower rating now. Inventor says "With the new setup, it's 52 million cp !!"

www.candlepowerforums.com...

Ouch!




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[edit on 6-2-2008 by Irascible Tractor]

Originally posted by eyewitness86

A Tazer type device is good, cops are not the only ones that can get them..and legality matters not a bit when you have it when needed. Being able to stop a pursuer is important, and less than lethal is good. We just need to make sure that we are not the only ones without them!!

Personal Tasers are available for purchase by the general public in the states that allow them.

I have to wonder what the average pair of sunglasses will do to reduce the effect. I also seriously doubt that such a light would stop an angry and violent criminal intent on doing harm. It might enable a person to escape a pursuer. I wonder when they will become available at the local army surplus.

It sounds to me like another way for people to defend themselves without having to carry a gun. Also, what the police can use against us, we can use against them.

Will they become available in more portable, smaller sizes, so that one can easily fit into a purse or the inside pocket of a jacket. Get one for every member of the family.

Of course the downside is that such technology can also help the criminal element. Ya gotta think that such a device could greatly help in the committing of crimes. "What did he look like?" "I don't know, there was this light flashing in my eyes, and I was completely disorientated."

Don't they already have mag lights that also serve as a incapacitation device? This I am sorry just is a common strobe light. It may be really bright but I don't think this will work any better than a regular flashbang grenade.

I guess the next question should be, if every one pulls out their dis-orientating flashlights, and strobes are flashing everywhere, then what? Will everyone be hypnotized? Will some people start going into convulsions? I imagine some people will be more effected than others, and some people might develop an immunity to the effect.

Still, for a majority of the people, probably be better than bullets flying everywhere.

Ok, the cops are in pursuit, you kick on your disorientating strobe lights on the back of the car, does the cop crash? Have the fed's thought about his one?
Combat usage?

This type of device has got to be prime suspect for the Princess Diana crash if you ask me. Here we see it commercialised at a safe distance. Kinda like Global Hawk et al.

Originally posted by SwatMedic

So while many of you think this is just a build up to when the govt green lights all the cops to round you up like cattle, the rest of us who USE these devices to protect ourselves and lessen the damage we have to inflict when controlling a suspect, welcome them.

I bet you would think the video I am going to embed is funny like these cops did. This item is designed for controlling protesters and serving the mega corporations that want to fleece our great nation without the people getting in the way.

There is a sticker some firefighters have in the rear window of our personal vehicles. It says: "If you cant stand the heat, get back in your cop car"

The reason for this? We know who lot of you guys are. A bunch of thug cowards. Not a bit of bravery. You will abandon a civilian if the heat goes to high. A good example was the shootout with L.A.P.D. and the bank robbers that had the automatic weapons wearing armor. Two of your finest ran away from the scene leaving a female and male innocent bystander to take the gunfire. All four were huddled behind a PD car, and the two cops ran and left them there to die. Some of you are brave, most though are not and ONLY get brave when they have overwhelming numbers. I understand scene safety, but more than that I understand what it means to be the person the public looks to when in trouble. As emergency personnel we need to be of a higher standard.

I KNOW myself or any of my brothers in the fire service would NEVER do that. This weapon is to be used on protesters this I have no doubt.

Here is the video.

These things are not meant to be used on protesters. They are going to be used on everybody. Within the next few years you will see that almost every person that gets pulled over will get a blast from this thing, for the safety of the officer.

AND THEN, you will see that every person who gets pulled over for the most minor violation, gets hauled down to the station so they aren't driving under the influence of the conditions caused by this hardware. This will give the police more time to do a much more thorough check on the person who dared to forget to signal, or who's license plate light was blown out but mysteriously turned back on afterward.

reply to post by sputniksteve

I know I will probably get flamed for this, but this really does not bother me. I think that is because I am not under the assumption that our government is trying to control my life. I am not scared for a police state or NWO world take over. I do not get pulled over, and I do not congregate in large crowds. The chances of me ever getting this light shined in my eyes are slim to none.

Be a good sheep.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the sick, the so-called incurables,
I did not speak out;
because I was not mentally ill.

When they came for the Catholics,
I did not speak out;
because I was a Protestant.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

- attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group.

Originally posted by LoneGunMan

There is a sticker some firefighters have in the rear window of our personal vehicles. It says: "If you cant stand the heat, get back in your cop car"

The reason for this? We know who lot of you guys are. A bunch of thug cowards. Not a bit of bravery. You will abandon a civilian if the heat goes to high. A good example was the shootout with L.A.P.D. and the bank robbers that had the automatic weapons wearing armor. Two of your finest ran away from the scene leaving a female and male innocent bystander to take the gunfire. All four were huddled behind a PD car, and the two cops ran and left them there to die. Some of you are brave, most though are not and ONLY get brave when they have overwhelming numbers. I understand scene safety, but more than that I understand what it means to be the person the public looks to when in trouble. As emergency personnel we need to be of a higher standard.

I KNOW myself or any of my brothers in the fire service would NEVER do that. This weapon is to be used on protesters this I have no doubt.



Wow, I'm sure you have a nice view up there on your high horse!

Having worked for both the fire service and police and even now being affiliated with both I can assure you that your brothers are not immune to having their fair share of jerks and idiots just as the police force does. Ive seen fireman flat out refuse to obey orders to go into a building so based on that should I impune the majority of firefighters as cowards?

Im well aware of the bumper stickers and sayings that cops and fireman have about each other and usually its just professional cube busting going on. Apparently it goes much further where you live and I can only imagine how a city manages to serve its citizens when the police and fire depts cant work together.

So while you are out there saving foundations, remember that if you get in trouble a cop with one of these new flashlights just might save your butt.


[edit on 6-2-2008 by SwatMedic]