Did Crowley and others bring "Greys" into our world?

It is generally agreed within occult circles that Crowley intentionally opened a portal of entry via magick ritual in the Amalantrah Workings which allowed the likes of Lam and other similar entities a passageway onto the earth-world. The rift "in-between the spaces of the stars," created by the Amalantrah Working, created a gateway through which Lam and other extra-cosmic influences could enter the known universe, and most particularly, our earth-world. According to occultists involved in such things, the Portal has since widened.

Aleister Crowley's Lam & the Little Grey Men

I have been fascinated with the life and works of Crowley for quite some time now, and during my research I've stumbled across his "lam" a few times. These are supposedly other-dimensional entities that Crowley made contact with. The picture he drew of one looks remarkably similar to the classic "grey" space alien depicted in popular culture. Now, I know there have been threads here on this topic before, therefore I would like to add a few of my own theories/twists on the subject. I present this conceptual scenario:

Imagine this secret Occultic order makes contact and opens the doorway in the earlier part of the 20th century. (Perhaps it hasn't been the first time). Next thing you know, UFO sightings increase, culminating in an eventual flyover of our nations capitol.... UFO's over Washington in 1952

So, after a few alleged crashes, and increased hysteria, the authorities attempt to decipher what exactly is going on (some, perhaps, we're expecting these guests all along), makes some crude contact and a few treaties, but ultimately has really no idea how to handle these inter-dimensional dream people. Trying to understand the situation with human minds may have sent the authorities further down the rabbit hole of the unknown, making things strange and vague. Meanwhile, these beings begin influencing society in subtle ways (perhaps with the cooperation of behind-the-scenes intelligence agencies), which may tie in to those ET telepathic mentor theories, and the "Luciferian" influence of art and culture in the 60's. Right around this time period, we start to see a huge shift in social awareness and an increased interest in mind expansion. Keep in mind, Crowley and his O.T.O. and Cult of Lam, believed these beings were a necessary part of human evolution, and that their arrival would guide mankind into a new age of enlightenment, which may have been part of their reasoning as to why they were summoning them.

Could John Lennon, for instance, whose concepts and message of love were representative of the essence of the whole movement, unknowingly have helped usher in the new age and the shift in consciousness along with thousands of others, partly because of some unexplainable behind-the-scenes other worldly influence that planted the seeds decades earlier? Is it all part of a bigger picture that can only be understand when viewed from afar? John Lennon's supposed alien encounter

Yes, yes, I know what some of you shall say. Geller is lying, vile, untrustworthy scum and a fraud. Still, it's food for thought.

Anyhow, I know a lot of this is speculative, but, like I said, it's food for thought. Cheers. -Comm12




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reply to post by comm12


I have to say, your post is odd for me as I was just reading an article about John Lennon this afternoon. The article mentioned that Crowley is one of the people in the background on the cover of "Sgt. Pepper," and when one of the Beatles were asked why certain people were selected for the picture, one of them (not sure if it was Lennon or not) replied, something to the effect of they were all people the Beatles admired.

Interesting ideas you have presented here, although I am not quite sure what to think about it all.

Who knows, it could be that because he was an admirer of Crowley, that it had something to do with the encounter Lennon had.

Wow that is strange, talk about a syncronocity. I forgot that Crowley was on the cover of Sgt. Pepper's, actually.

What would these inter-dimensional beings have to gain by promoting Peace love and happiness among men?

It's interesting about the um....golden egg, even though this was on The Mork and Mindy show as being his ship.

There was one site that supposedly had a picture of an Egg shaped craft. If you think about it, some of these aliens have an oval or egg shaped head.

My brother had claimed to have met John Lennon at a music shop he worked at. He said he showed JL a picture of a dragon he had drawn and John wanted it, but my brother refused to let him have it.

He supposedly even showed up at the house a couple of times to change his mind. I didn't see him but I heard him talking to him in his accent.
It wasn't long after that, that John Lennon died. My brother also claimed that Chapman had worked at the same music shop. I don't really believe the story and never heard anything mentioned about Chapman working at that music shop either.

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Honestly, I don't know. I'm just connecting dots that's why this is speculative...maybe it doesn't operate necessarily like they have something to gain from us having peace, love, and happiness. Maybe it's more like their presence, or our knowledge of their presence, signifies or is part of a shifting of understanding, perception, and expansion of knowledge that has been occuring, though at times slowly, throughout the past century. Or maybe the fact that they exist directly mirrors some strange part of our subconscious collective in a quantum sense..(tulpoid?). I know this would discredit us as mankind, but again it's just a theory. Then there's always the evil alien theories that they're eating us and harvesting us, which could go the other direction too and say these sorcerers maybe opened up a portal allowing some kind of wicked entities too that are bent on our destruction or feeding off our energy. Then there's always the possibility none of this is true and there's no such thing as any of this stuff. You should definitely look into the Cult of Lam though, and the O.T.O. and how there have supposedly been contacts made at various times with these things. Weird stuff. I'm kind of all over the place here, I realize that.

reply to post by comm12


First of all, Note that the "Did he bring them into our world" is not something that Crowley mentioned in the link which was posted.

Not to say that he didn't have an experience with a being which looked like that which he drew. What I'm saying is that this has been going on for millennia.

Let's not muddy the waters here with theories of how he let ufo's in, and focus more on the fact that his entity looks remarkably like the Greys of today.

Anyone who has frequent experiences with these entities, and has not been silly enough to subject themselves to high amounts of suggestion via hypnotic regression, creating false memories, will see this for what it is.

Yes, the watchers have always been known of in occult circles, even to the Akkadians of old. We see this in the australian aboriginal paintings as well.

What we have to remember is that we interpret these phenomena through our cultural mental filter, so they become spaceships which must have beings in side, instead of seeing them in an alternate perspective, for instance as beings in and of themselves, Gods if you will.

The Greys are not a Military conspiracy, they are not Space People, they are spiritual entities, or inter-dimensional entities, I would go even so far as to say extra-terrestrial.

I applaud the OP for this post, but I also have to say that the link actually does more dis service because it mistakes cultural maps with actual territories.

Something else that most don't understand about crowley, he had a good grasp on the abstract, the archetypal, and understood the difference between the meta-physical archetype and the physical type, and the many different ways that principalities can manifest. The principalities he speaks of, his Goetic demons etc are themselves aspects of the Magicians Unconscious which he evokes in a way which seems rather shamanic compared to Jung's methods of evocation.

All in all, Crowley's magical life was one which required the awareness of an aspirant interpreting all external phenomena as a personal and direct dealing of God with one's own Soul. It required one with the ability to see their whole world, Good and Bad as a mirror image of their own self. One really can't approach Crowleys writings until they are practiced at experiencing their world in this way.

I agree that something odd went on when Crowley summoned Awaz or whatever it was called. It is distinctly odd that they only really appeared, in their 'current' form after the Crowley ritual. Before I fleshed out my own theory below I had thought perhaps that Crowley had made conact with them and brought them here by his will from a different dimension, and I suppose, in effect that might even be true (my theory is weirdly complicated but very simple), so... yes I believe so.

I definitely think that whatever it was needed to be manipulated by a human mind, perhaps because it needed a link to 'feed' on humans or perhaps because as I think, belief and manipulation by these things are related.

Here's my theory in a nutshell: Everything is connecting in some indefinable way, the aliens we think are aliens are something that has always been here and is older than we think. They are like John (Keel) suggests perhaps the daemons of old in a new form, but I think they need humans as a type of portal into this, our world from their own. Whether this world is here or somewhere else, it is both IMO, they exist 'in potentia' here until summoned by magick or by thought (since magick is basically the law of attraction of thoughts create effects it amounts to the same thing - people all over the world believing is 'enough' for it to happen).

Did Crowley therefore create the body of the 'aliens' and the mind inside is older than imagination? I think this is closer to the truth (for me anyway). I think the aliens have been seen throughout history, as faries, as daemons, and now, as aliens. Our belief (they feed on fear and belief I think) is what keeps them here and they are in essence, a form of posessed Tulpa, we give them their power by our belief.

Problem is, even if we say we don't, somewhere inside all of us, is the niggle of doubt that says "well aliens might exist" and so they won't ever leave now we've made them. It's like phantom black cats, bigfoot etc. I think at one point there might have been a real PBC or a bigfoot (still might be the odd one I guess), but over time, belief has created them and so that's why they can vanish or thats why they seem otherworldly, because we believe them into existance.

So, yes, I think Crowley did create SOMETHING, as to whether it was merely a body for a being that is older than time, I think so but I'm still not 100% sure.

As I say, its all connected in some way. I think dimensions and existance is a lot more complicated than we can ever possibly imagine, so while they come from a different dimension, they also exist here, and are also in theory, the daemons and faries of old. It's like its all a really big weird dream, perhaps thats what we are, a dream in God's mind - maybe he never woke up after the nap he had on the Saturday after Creation and its all been a dream since then...

Personally, I highly doubt it.

He may have brought a particular SPECIES of grey above ground, but certainly not ALL of them.

Here's a video that might help clarify where I'm coming from:

reply to post by Quazga


You definitely seem like you know what your talking about, thank you for that info this is exactly the type of discussion I wanted to get going, and I knew some of you guys were well versed in this stuff.

Yes, the greys seem to be an enigma that spans over the millennia as opposed to the century.. I also believe this phenomenon is more spiritually, internally related as opposed to physically. I also believe this is not a military conspiracy or space people, but I wonder if the military, nonetheless, has certain protocols and methods of dealing with these beings (or is aware of their presence in some way). It's irrelevant really. I also remember reading a thread a while back that showed the symbolism of the Roswell crash (numbers), and how certain occult circles anticipated this and took it as a sign. Makes me wonder. Again, I'm crossing cultural maps with actual territories by comparing.. Anywho, yes, we should focus on the fact that the Lam strongly resemble the greys of today..it is quite interesting. You mentioned the watchers. I presume these are the same watchers mentioned in Enoch..why was Enoch left out of the Old Testament? Was Crowley's Lam merely a manifestation of his own subconscious or were they related to the actual Watchers. Yes, it does seem that certain shamans throughout many cultures were well aware and able to communicate internally/interdimensionally with similar entities. Sorry, I have so many questions, this topic and anomaly fascinates me.

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Yes, it is very odd. I like how you put that, as a form of possessed Tulpa, us giving them power by our belief. Perhaps they always exist in essence, we just decide how they are percieved physically/sub-physically by our own minds, thus opening the gate into our reality. Yes, when it comes down to it, everything is connected and it seems this is all some type of dream!


General Eyes, so your theorizing that perhaps their are many different types of Greys, some Occult/Sub-dimensional in nature, others physical people from similar planets in our Universe? I'm open to that possibility. This is all very murky waters.


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