Forbidden Egyptology

reply to post by Hanslune


Bravo, spoken like a true Archaeologist.

What would the Geologist's comments be?

Somehow I feel the answers would be similar with intent, but lacking consensus.

You're still not understanding my point, and I'm still not sure if that's deliberate or not...

Hans: I understand your point which is why I keep telling you to go ask your question of the Egyptologists at the Hall of Ma’at – why do you refuse to ask them? You are also going in circles, I say 2+2 =4, you say no, no its really 2+2=4, then you ask me why you get five. (there is no error in the numbers I used by the way)

Sampling information

Hans: Only in as much as the target population can be known, in this case it cannot be. Which is why we call it random selection. I’d say carbon samples in the pyramid are an unknown population.

So it seems we have a matter of selection bias to contend with when looking at the samples taken for the radiocarbon testing of the pyramids.
Hans: sure and if you take them from other points – wouldn’t that be bias also? Please explain what a non-biased carbon sampling would look like?

So again what we have here with regards to the dating of the pyramids is incomplete and should not be used as hard evidence.
Hans: I say 2+2=4, you say 2+2=4 and then ask me why the answer is five – your comment above makes no sense whatsoever. This will be my answer every single time you keep repeating this. Okay, There is nothing wrong with the data, it is your personal interpretation that is flawed.

And regardless most of the dates arrived from the first 2 tests of Khufu's pyramid are older than Khufu himself.

Hans: And that was explained to you based on the known effect of C-14 dates on wood being older than they actually are as shown by the experience in SW America and Anatolia – please explain the criteria under which you have selected to ignore this evidence?

Could the results from both tests, which were from samples taken off the outer layers and not the inner, but also having shown some dates within Khufu's reign, if used in conjunction with what the inventory stele says, be indicative of Khufu having actually made repairs to the GP and not necessarily having built it?

But again, I have yet to find all the results from both tests. Mainly I want to see from where exactly the samples were taken and how many.
Hans: At any university library, should take you about 45 minutes.

Doesn't sound too confident to me.

Hans: Because all the hand wringing you are doing now was done decades ago by those who did the tests. You are going thru the motions of finding that which is already known but applying the wrong personal answer.
This ends my discussion with you on this subject. My final piece of advice: ASK YOUR QUESTION AT THE HALL OF MA’AT.

Originally posted by win 52
reply to post by Hanslune

 

Bravo, spoken like a true Archaeologist.

What would the Geologist's comments be?

Somehow I feel the answers would be similar with intent, but lacking consensus.

This happens a lot in science, different competing theories and what drives them all is a lack of enough information. Until more data is collected the answer remains..........moot/unanswered.

Originally posted by Hanslune
Hans: I understand your point which is why I keep telling you to go ask your question of the Egyptologists at the Hall of Ma’at – why do you refuse to ask them? You are also going in circles, I say 2+2 =4, you say no, no its really 2+2=4, then you ask me why you get five. (there is no error in the numbers I used by the way)

Hans,

I appreciate your input and your attempt to convince me that I'm wrong and ignorant. Since you have chosen to end this discussion I will not address any more of your questions, comments, and silly analogies which you have so kindly presented in your last post. But I will address the above because it is generally a false statement....

I have never refused to go to the Hall of Maat. I've always said that I will take my gripe there. So please don't make silly accusations.

You say I'm going in circles? More accurately, WE'RE going in circles...there are two people involved in this discussion my friend.

I feel you've been very selective in how you've answered (or not answered) some of my questions, where I've taken the consideration to address everyone of yours (to the best of my ability)...

And your analogies haven't ever made sense to me, sorry. It seems that you use them as a guise for answers. Personally I find them to be frivolous, for whatever thats worth. Maybe it's just that they're too far above me....who knows.

With that said Ill no longer continue this discussion with you as per your request.

Although I'm sure we'll be disagreeing on something else very soon.

Peace

PS When I get the time to post in the Hall I will, you'll see me there as PE. That I promise. I look forward to the critics I may face there. Maybe I'll actually learn something.

[edit on 27-5-2008 by PhotonEffect]

I guess that means my theory carries as much weight as the next guy's. That is how I feel. Why then is teaching/learning the wrong information so prized? Is it because the reward$ of education are stained by greed, thus the education is mainly serving vanity, thereby no need for facts?

Atlantis & Egypt

Atlantis was an empire of beauty and advanced technology and shared the earth with non-advanced or "primitive" humans. Back then they had an open communication channel towards extraterrestrial civilizations among these a prominent "serpent-race". The idea of atlantis was to incarnate to earth as a soul and practice certain abilities on a semi-physical plane. After many thousand years however, the experimentation became rampant, went wrong and Atlantis was corrupted. It started with the cross-breeding of humans and animals creating horrendous monsters and climaxed with shattering the earths core which caused earthquakes and tidal waves that destroyed Atlantis. Atlantis was destroyed with the approval of a council on the spiritual plane and with the consent and even help of extraterrestrials.

Very few survivors spread out to different parts of the globe trying to keep and remember some of the knowledge. The Pyramids were a multi-purpose project by survivors of Atlantis. To commemorate Atlantis and to store knowledge, mathematical and astronomical data for a time when humans would be mature enough to use it without destroying the world. In order to avoid a second destruction, the knowledge was kept secret and passed on within an elite priesthood until this very day. Because it was kept secret, encrypted, hidden it was forgotten over time. The channel to extraterrestrials and other planets was closed, partially due to a non-interference-treaty signed on the soul plane.

Today not-knowing about all this is not so much due to a cover-up but due to the the ignorance that occurs when one is cut off from other dimensions, planets and the spiritual. Trying to figure out a spiritually-based civilization by purely physical means is not sufficient. Of course some secrets are not too bad because it spares us the sight of monstrous creatures and widespread destruction.

The Pyramids were built using sonic levitation and mind-concentration.

The first remnants of Atlantis will be found on south of the Azores.

This information is distributed in small chunks in ancient texts around the globe and modern-day access-restricted-libraries.

Ah, when running out of things to say, take a step back and restate all that has already been discredited.

-lots of speculation and made up stuff-snip

Hans: Nice story Sky but not based on anything remotely resembling facts is it? How do you know that is true? I can find other believer stories that contradict yours - which is right?

Today not-knowing about all this is not so much due to a cover-up but due to the the ignorance that occurs when one is cut off from other dimensions, planets and the spiritual. Trying to figure out a spiritually-based civilization by purely physical means is not sufficient. Of course some secrets are not too bad because it spares us the sight of monstrous creatures and widespread destruction.

Hans: Well one does need to explain the lack of evidence

The Pyramids were built using sonic levitation and mind-concentration

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Hans: How do you know that Sky?

Why does all the evidence shows they were quarried using the methods used by mason in ancient times using hammer stones? Why do they show they were cut and chiseled?

The first remnants of Atlantis will be found on south of the Azores.

Hans: Really, how do you know that? What about the geological drill cores from that area- why do they not show anything….like a continent or large island?

This information is distributed in small chunks in ancient texts around the globe

Hans: Unfortunately for your idea the people who can actually read these texts don’t agree – why do you think that is Sky?

and modern-day access-restricted-libraries.

Hans: Such as?

reply to post by Hanslune


Its things as they are in my view. I wrote them down because I will no longer beat around the bush and so that we both have something we can look back on in a few years when the **** hits the fan.

Have you received my U2U inviting you to an official debate under neutral scrutiny?

I sent that to you so that I wouldnt have to be discussing the same boring things over and over again.



[edit on 28-5-2008 by Skyfloating]

Originally posted by Hanslune
Ah, when running out of things to say, take a step back and restate all that has already been discredited.

-lots of speculation and made up stuff-snip

Get with the programme Hans. In order to see this it requires you to put your pre-conceptions and steadfast holding-in-to your 17th Century science aside and

a) Read the ancients with an open mind
b) Go through some meditational training
c) Recognise the evidence already presented as such
d) Get a wider understanding of the nature of reality.

There´s really no point in presenting evidence to you again and again and again thread for thread for thread and post for post for post and you only saying "thats not evidence" just because it doesnt match your notions.

So...face a formal debate as proposed several times.

Howdy Sky

Thanks for the offer of the debate but as I said before I'm not interested.

Read the ancients with an open mind

Hans: I would suggest you do so also and remember to not cherry pick the date and keep what they are saying in context with other known data

b) Go through some meditational training

Hans: been there done that, I grew up in the sixties in Hawaii, I think we had that in ninth grade - why would you think this would cause me to then embrace non-evidence concepts?? Mediation expands perception it doesn't (or shouldn't) dull it.

c) Recognise the evidence already presented as such

Hans: Your definition of evidence = whatever I want to believe is evidence is. Unfortunately it is not. Your evidence is belief, fantasy and opinion based on the former and later.

d) Get a wider understanding of the nature of reality.

Hans: I appear to already have a wider appreciation of reality than yourself - just how wide to you want it to be? Your reality seems to consist of denying a reality that can observered, measured and tested.

I would add my favorite suggestion for all fervent Atlantis believers, instead of talking about it for the 2,614th time - go find it.

Regards

Originally posted by Hanslune

Ah, when running out of things to say, take a step back and restate all that has already been discredited.

-lots of speculation and made up stuff-snip

I would suggest you do so also and remember to not cherry pick the data and keep what they are saying in context with other known data

Introduction to Consistency/Congruency within seperate texts and sources

Its true that I cherry pick data. If 10 different radically different sources state the same thing I cherry-pick that to be more likely than other views.

As shown in my thread "Rainbow Serpents" the idea of ancient serpents flying around is expressed in many different cultures, on many different levels from many different sources. So I then "cherry-pick" this as a memory of an actual event. And as ALL sources agree on these serpents having intelligence, talking and flying not only down from the sky but back up again, I deny the "scientific" explanation of these being "comets" or "made up stuff".

Likewise aforementioned Atlantis-story-VERSION was "cherry-picked" in accordance with what is congruent within the whole, within the big picture of various streams of thought, philosophies, gnosticism, ancient script, etc.

The wordview you keep proposing on the other hand, has no relation whatsoever to anything but itself.

reply to post by Hanslune


A simple kindergarden example:

Lets say I have a past-life-regression-hypnotherapist in Canada and a channeller from Australia gíving the same data on where an artefact can be found and then the artefact is actually found at the place perceived by these two sources.

According to "science" this method of research and data gathering is invalid.

These things have been occuring repeatedly and make it impossible for me to take those seriously who...despite results...declare it invalid.

Originally posted by Hanslune
I can find other believer stories that contradict yours - which is right?

Good question actually. Due to info-filtering and distortion none of the accounts are 100% accurate. This is why, as mentioned, we have to look at consistencies and congruencies in all accounts.

Well one does need to explain the lack of evidence

Lack of what you term "evidence" is due to a deliberate hiding of knowledge proven to be destructive in the wrong hands.

You cant even give these immature souls nuclear energy without them blowing up entire cities.

Hans: How do you know that Sky? (referring to sonic levitation)

Remote psychich viewing of the past.

Why does all the evidence shows they were quarried using the methods used by mason in ancient times using hammer stones? Why do they show they were cut and chiseled?

Because thats what the current mindset wants to believe. Whatever it wants to believe it will find examples for.

Hans: Really, how do you know that? What about the geological drill cores from that area- why do they not show anything….like a continent or large island?

Some things cannot be perceived by those who are not willing to perceive it.

Howdy Skyfloating

So basically its all a vast conspiracy and/or people are blind to what they don't want to see?

Self deception is so important to belief isn't it Sky?

Some things cannot be perceived by those who are not willing to perceive it.

LOL



[edit on 29/5/08 by Hanslune]

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Atlantis & Egypt.

with shattering the earths core which caused earthquakes and tidal waves that destroyed Atlantis. Atlantis was destroyed with the approval of a council on the spiritual plane and with the consent and even help of extraterrestrials.

I wonder, is this in a way evidence that there was at least indeed a connection between Extraterrestrials and Egypt?

I found this very interesting post of zorgon on another thread, but it fits also in this thread.
I hope zorgon doesn’t mind that I put his post here.
Looks clearly giant light bulbs with cables to me?
Then the translation of the complete text of the south wall, amazing isn't it.
I wonder what the explanation of the ancient Egypt experts will be for this.

Look here for the whole post, it is definitely very interesting.

reply to post by zorgon

Originally posted by zorgon
In Temple of Hathor in Dendera

Translation of the Text
Complete text of the south wall:

Resomtus is alive with gloss in the sky (and) lives at the day of the New Year celebration. He lights up in its house in the night of the child in his nest, by donating the light to the country from the birth bricks. The sky is jubilant, the earth is pleased and the God chapels is glad, when he appears in his chamber in his procession barge at his beautiful celebration of the New Year.
The God with his disk has come to see him. Nehebkau gives him reputation, and the goddess with her disk, with godly body, rejuvenates him in his sanctuary. Tchnt tpjt jnr is content because of her majesty. She praises Re because of him with praise for his Ka, with wine from schfjt and meat bits on the altar before him. The "land-of-Atum" is prepared with his most distinguished plan, as Hu and Sia are subordinated to him. He may protect the son of Re, forever.

That’s amazing isn’t it, giant light bulbs with cables, a God and a Goddess with a disk?

Is it possible that these disks are in fact Extraterrestrial crafts or Ufo’s?

It explains also this Extraterrestrial claim.
WHO was Quetzalcoatl?
Quetzalcoatl was a very high ranking officer of an extraterrestrial group active during the reign of Egypt. He was wise and kind and was often sent on special missions. One of the missions ought him to South America where he was praised as a god by the Aztecs.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Maybe there was no official trade route but only a few "secret suppliers" the ruling class had. The ruling class jealously guarding their secret in order to exercise power over the ignorant.

And speculating, good it perhaps explains the route for tobacco and coc aine by a few "secret suppliers" from South America for the high class ancient Egyptians?



[edit on 29/5/08 by spacevisitor]

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Well thank you.

If you take ancient texts as they are with zero interpretation and distortion, its pretty obvious what is being talked about. Of course Gods in flying discs are the ETs & Atlantean succesors.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by spacevisitor

 

If you take ancient texts as they are with zero interpretation and distortion, its pretty obvious what is being talked about. Of course Gods in flying discs are the ETs & Atlantean succesors.

Of course.

reply to post by spacevisitor


Except there are good reasons why this doesn't work. Read the full article here.

Electric Lights in Egypt?

Really wouldn't want to be around should anything have gone wrong.

cormac

Originally posted by cormac mac airt
reply to post by spacevisitor

 

Except there are good reasons why this doesn't work. Read the full article here.

Electric Lights in Egypt?

Hi cormac mac airt, good link, I absolute going to read it and will give you my opinion about it.

Originally posted by cormac mac airt
Really wouldn't want to be around should anything have gone wrong. cormac

Why wouldn't you want to be around because what on Earth good be going wrong, absolute nothing I suppose.
We are discussing some interesting points here in my opinion, nothing more.
But what is your personal opinion about the translation of the complete text of the south wall in the Temple of Hathor in Dendera?
Is it correct or what?

reply to post by spacevisitor


You asked about:

Originally posted by cormac mac airt
Really wouldn't want to be around should anything have gone wrong.

If you read the full article you will come upon the "explosive" nature of why it would be a problem.

I'll get back with you on the translation you quoted in a little bit.

cormac