Forbidden Egyptology

jbmitch,

More on acoustic levitation. It's actually a very real phenomena (and possibility) and has been scientifically experimented by NASA.

Here are a couple of cool videos showing exactly this:


Ultrasonic levitation of water droplets (vertical sounds waves):



It should also be noted that some of the internal chambers (like that of the 'Kings chamber') and hallways of Great Pyramid have been known to exhibit acoustic and resonant properties.

Here's a piece that talks about levitation theory and the acoustic properties of the Great Pyramid in addition to what you mentioned earlier about Coral Castle.
www.gizapyramid.com...

Maybe that's what this relief is about?



www.ancientx.com...

Definitely an interesting theory.

[edit on 14-3-2008 by PhotonEffect]

reply to post by PhotonEffect

I know that this site hates people being vague,, but I'm working off a hard drive that is close to full (my grey matter upstairs) but I've followed elusive threads of this nature for years,, (10 or more) usually on another Conspiracy Site that I believe has degraded into a daily bitch session by it's regular contributors,,but I digress,,,
I know that a thread was posted approximately 3 years ago that a team was allowed access to the center hall (where the "Crypt for Khufu" for those that asscribe to theory) by Hiwassi (which is what it takes to gain access to the recesses of the Giza Pryamid) these of people did attempt entonating by human voice to effect any type of response attributable to resonance. All the members agree that there was a feeling of vibration much like the low freguenies effects at 50 BPM and below. a feeling in the gut,, and a slightly euphoric mental status with altered sensory perception.
Admittely this is vague and subjective but the group was impressed enough to write an article about.

Originally posted by jbmitch
reply to post by PhotonEffect

 

The cutting and transporting of incredibly large stones took place right in modern times in the USA. Ed Skallein (? sp.) in the late 1800's a Croatian immigrant built Coral Cables in Florida. If you arent familiar with this, its worth surfing the net for. He accomplished the same incredible feats,, alone,, he claims to have done it via "resonance" nullifing the effects of gravity, and that every human being has the capibility.
Intonation as practiced by Tibetian Monks are rumored to have the same ability.

Actually, he didn't make that claim at all. Others have made that claim.

As for him, there's a picture on the Coral Castle site in Florida where he's standing with a block of coral that's being hoisted by pulleys attached to 3 long poles and some chains (tripod arrangement). This is a standard way of moving things back then -- his truck is next to him, ready to receive the load.

So it was moved by a truck, chains, pulley, and poles. There's two photos on this page: www.coralcastle.com... -- and it very clearly says "Ed moving coral."

Originally posted by PhotonEffect
Maybe that's what this relief is about?

No... sorry. There's writing on the wall -- inscriptions to the right and above as well as a smaller one to the left of center. Here is a translation of a translation from Egyptian to German to English, so a little is lost. Some cultural references that you may not know... the "child in the nest" refers to Horus (who is on the relief but is "conveniently" cut out of the pictures) -- Horus was born in his hawk form and used a nest.

The objects are actually snakes and lotus flowers within a boat. Yes, I know they look like "lightbulbs" after someone says they are, but they really aren't.

The chamber is a storage place and beginning for one of the yearly processions. Budge (and others) have commentary on the translations... I'll quote the Budge because it's convenient.

Harsamtawy, son of Hathor, here takes the form of a serpent (he also appears as a hawk). It was "in this form," wrote Budge, that "Horus was believed to have sprung into existence out of a lotus flower which blossomed in the heavenly abyss of Nu at dawn at the beginning of the year." (The Gods of the Egyptians, I, p. 473)

www.altarcheologie.nl...

Originally posted by spacevisitor
Is it really done this way?

Yes, and there are actually inscriptions and drawings (made by the ancient Egyptians of the time) that refer to moving stone by barge and oxen and getting the blocks from the limestone quarry and all that.

The worker's village was in existence not a mere 20 years as a temporary "move in and move out" but was a small city that existed for a period of about 70 years; the time it took to build all 3 pyramids. Also associated with it are tombs of nobles of each of the courts (with inscriptions talking about their function), tombs of specialized workers (ditto) and so on and so forth (as well as the large "dining halls" and a very large bakery and brewery.

Materials and workforce needed to build the Great pyramid as said by several experts.

Polish architect Wieslaw Kozinski; 20 men to transport a 1.5-ton stone block from where it was extracted from the ground, to the building site.
Based on this, he estimated the workforce to be 300,000 men on the construction site, with an additional 60,000 off-site.

At least one picture on a tomb shows them using oxen.

Without the use of pulleys, wheels, or iron tools, they surmise the Great Pyramid was completed from start to finish in approximately 10 years.

That's still under debate. Remember that in addition to the 3 pyramids, they built 8 "queens' pyramids" plus some smaller satellite pyramids AND boat pits, a number of temples, paved roads, an avenue of sphynxes, and a lot more things.

We're not into physical labor these days, but there are plenty of pictures from earlier times in the US of people doing quite a bit of similar work and all by hand (building railroads, drilling through mountains, digging coal mines, etc, etc.) There's a tendency to say "my friends and I couldn't do that in 20 years, therefore the ancient Egyptians couldn't, either."

That's not true. We're lazy wimps compared to the average peasant who had to get up at the crack of dawn, cut wood, plough, haul crops, mend fences, etc, etc... and who'd been doing that since the age of two!

reply to post by Byrd


Originally posted by Byrd

Originally posted by Byrd
The objects are actually snakes and lotus flowers within a boat. Yes, I know they look like "lightbulbs" after someone says they are, but they really aren't.

I actually never suggested light bulbs.

I will look more into the Dendera relief meaning that you posted.

[edit on 15-3-2008 by PhotonEffect]

Originally posted by PhotonEffect

But I was always also curious about certain characteristics found on the GP and Menkaure which are not found on Khafre: The Concavities. In other words the sides of these pyramids aren't straight, they bend in slightly (and equally) on all sides.

As if building these enormous structures weren't enough to boggle the mind in its feats of engineering and logistics, just to top it off, the sides are equally concave (but only on 2), to supposedly give the pyramid a mirror effect when sunlight (and moonlight) hit it. This is not found on any other pyramid in the world, ever.

What's strange though is that this feature is only found with the GP and Menkaure, or to you conventionalists out there, Pyramid 1 and Pyramid 3. Well why not on Pyramid 2, that of Khafre? Where's the "progression?"

Where did this idea come from? The major leap in complexity from the step pyramid, bent pyramid, and red pyramid, to the Giza pyramids seems way out of whack. Much of the orthodox argument is that the "Gizamids fit in perfectly with the progression of the pyramids, starting with the step pyramid. Just look and you can see."

Well I am looking and I don't see a logical progression. What I see is a major spike in complexity, accuracy, and precision with Giza from the 'prior' attempts and then a sudden tail off. There is something out of order here....

[edit on 13-3-2008 by PhotonEffect]

I wasnt aware of this up to now, despite a lot of reading on the subject. I just knew there are still new things to be learned here.

Thanks for educating.

reply to post by Byrd


Byrd, did you ever have a past life that took place in ancient Egypt? I do not expect you to understand right away what I am trying to tell you, but reading your paragraphs you have what looks like hieroglyphics between the stacked vertical gap combined word and sentence structure you have typed.

I can see patterns between the combined vertical spacing of words of each individuals paragraph structure. You are the first person I have shared this with and it is like in comparison a thumb print of a specific individual's writings. You first have to use paragraph structure to actually see the symbols created by the accumulated stacked vertical gaps between words and sentences of each individual.

It is like looking at a reverse negative or hologram and it takes practice to see this incredible signature of each individual's writings. I made this comment because of your highly unusual hieroglyphic design created by stacking sentences by viewing vertical length spacing and gaps between words combining to create a flow of systematic symbols. This is not a joke. Rik Riley



[edit on 15-3-2008 by rikriley]

Thx for the informative thoughts, as to all as well. Just wanted to say that if the Egyptians can turn a piece of wood in to a full grown snake according to this passages in the bible..

Exo 7:9 When Pharaoh shall speak unto you, saying, Show a wonder for you; then thou shalt say unto Aaron, Take thy rod, and cast it down before Pharaoh, that it become a serpent.
Exo 7:10 And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so, as Exo Jehovah had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh and before his servants, and it became a serpent.
Exo 7:11 Then Pharaoh also called for the wise men and the sorcerers: and they also, the magicians of Egypt, did in like manner with their enchantments.
Exo 7:12 For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods.

Exo 8:4 Frogs will be crawling on everyone--the king, his officials, and every citizen of Egypt.
Exo 8:5 Moses, now commanded Aaron to hold his stick over the water. Then frogs will come from all rivers, canals, and ponds in Egypt, and they will cover the land.
Exo 8:6 Aaron obeyed, and suddenly frogs were everywhere in Egypt.
Exo 8:7 But the magicians used their secret powers to do the same thing. (with success)

So, we see here, the Egyptians powers pretty much in full force, since they couldn't produce anything after the 4th attempt. If the bible is true, and I believe it is, then, I think there was much more to their powers than what we've just read. Most people when they read the scriptures, and i've done this a million times myself, miss the small wording like that I've bolded.

I listen to a Dr. (can't remember the field) on prophecy club expound on Ancient 'secret' knowledge used by most of the ancient leaders that used this knowledge to conquer the nations...this included Alexander the Great.

In conclusion, it wouldn't surprise me if whatever they found was 'ancient' technology based on what I've read so far. If they can make snakes from wood...what else have 'they' done .. or going to come up with. Use this as a base for your questions.. which will open a WHOLE lot of other questions.

[edit on 15-3-2008 by Komodo]

Originally posted by Byrd

Originally posted by spacevisitor
Is it really done this way?

Yes, and there are actually inscriptions and drawings (made by the ancient Egyptians of the time) that refer to moving stone by barge and oxen and getting the blocks from the limestone quarry and all that.

And I trust that these inscriptions/reliefs specifically pertain to the building of the Giza pyramids?

Originally posted by Byrd
The worker's village was in existence not a mere 20 years as a temporary "move in and move out" but was a small city that existed for a period of about 70 years; the time it took to build all 3 pyramids.

That certainly sounds convenient. What's the archaeological evidence that supports this kind of claim? I'm not saying that this settlement didn't exist for 70 years, but how can you know that it lasted 70 yrs, and that it was the basis for constructing the pyramids of Khufu, Khafre, and Menkaure? Maybe they were settlements for refurbishment?

Originally posted by Byrd
At least one picture on a tomb shows them using oxen.

Using oxen to build the Great pyramid?

Originally posted by Byrd
Remember that in addition to the 3 pyramids, they built 8 "queens' pyramids" plus some smaller satellite pyramids AND boat pits, a number of temples, paved roads, an avenue of sphynxes, and a lot more things.

Why is this so telling anyway? I have a bit of an issue with these so called Queens' pyramids. Take a look at them, 2 of the 3 along side Menkaure are step pyramids, and the 3 along Khufu's, are all crumbled and barely standing. Quite different building standards used if you ask me.

The temples however are quite impressive. They exhibit some of the most precise stone working(of granite) in all of Giza imo. (Look back to pictures I posted back on pg 7)

There's a tendency to say "my friends and I couldn't do that in 20 years, therefore the ancient Egyptians couldn't, either."

First, you'll need a few thousand friends. Second, comparisons with railroad builders and other such modern workmen isn't justifiable. Their tools and means were much different then what we know was available to the AE's in the pre-dynastic to early dynastic time periods.

PhotonEffect,

If you haven't already, you should check out this website on the Giza Plateau. I'm sure it will answer alot of your questions.

www.aeraweb.org...


cormac

Originally posted by rikriley
Byrd, did you ever have a past life that took place in ancient Egypt?

Not that I know of, but I learned to read hieroglyphics and have read what the people were writing on scrolls and on pyramids and tombs and temples.

I do not expect you to understand right away what I am trying to tell you, but reading your paragraphs you have what looks like hieroglyphics between the stacked vertical gap combined word and sentence structure you have typed.

What you're seeing is actually a fairly sophisticated insight: we all have certain word patterns that we use, and someone with a keen eye can easily tell whether the other person is depressed/concerned/upset or happy or feeling angry or vengeful -- even when the subject is fairly normal or boring.

Computers can analyze this (the white spaces around the words, the sentence pacing and so on and so forth) with a set of programs... but if a human is very sensitive, they can spot it in the writing of another.

(and yes, I can do that when I look hard enough.)

Hieroglyphs themseves are fascinating, because they were written left-to-right OR right-to-left ... whichever way seemed most logical to the person writing them. They generally went in fairly short columns, but sometimes would twist around a picture.

There's a really great book on them that I always recommend to people: How to Read Hieroglyphics

As to word patterns, I'm afraid you're sunk. You'll run off and start studying linguistics and find all sorts of fascinating things! Just to tempt you, here's a page of linguistics sites:
www.sil.org...

But I imagine you'll REALLY get into something like semiotics: en.wikipedia.org...

(I know! I'm being awful, teasing you with interesting things to go study! I'm a baaaaaaaaad influence -- just ask anyone!)

reply to post by Byrd

The picture of that stone was one of the smaller ones.
The tripod was not movable (no wheels). So he used leverage to get the stone out of the quarry, but by himself moved it to the truck with no help.
Also once off the truck to the site of the Coral Castle the stone blocks had to be moved and set in place once of the truck again without any help or moving block or tackle. The time it took Ed to move the hugh stones if I remember right,, was an hour or less.
I believe the quote from the truck driver was: I pulled the truck up to spot and left (approximately one hour or less) when I returned the block was out of the quarry and on the bed of the truck. When I got to the building site the same thing would happen. And the stone would be in place. There was no one else anywhere near the work site." This required balancing a 12 ton block on edge to where it fit prefectly in a solide door lentiel (I believe without any noticable hinges). This solid block would swivel with the touch of a small child. I dont see how this could be accomplished by one man with a single piece of block and tackle. Albiet I can see how the block and tackle may have been used to help get it out of flat position in the quarry. I beieve the bed of the truck was above the highest point of leveage for the block and tackle but I cant say it was quite a while ago.

Ed Skallien was "quoted" as telling a frequent vistor and about the only friend he had that it through resonance.

reply to post by jbmitch

I went to the site "Coral Castle" our "net" resources are limited here so I couldnt download the picture section.
The blocks that were cut to make the wall of the castle are estimated to weight 58 tons. He worked alone at night and few people actually wittnessed how he did it.
The site quotes Ed Leedskalin, saying that he understood the secerts that were used to build the pryamids (say the Giza, which is the real mystery) and not only did he have a block and tackle set but a AC generator.
The site also quoted him as saying he understood concepts of weight and balance,,, and if he could uncover how it was done any one could depsite he only had a formal 4th graded education.
So...was blcok and tackle the way he moved 58 ton blocks into position and over distances,,,I dont think so ,, intonations and resonance ,, maybe not,, AC generator.... and some sort of primative Electromagnetic field..to nullify the effects of gravity to allow him to move the block and tackle and the block stones as a unit?
Everything else is conjecture,,,I feel that this achievement is technilogically as significant as the Giza Pryamid even if the geometry isnt as complex.
And that is my two cents hehe

Why Are World Rulers Always White Skinned?

The rulers of Egypt were white, ruling over a mainly black population. It was the same in most ancient cultures. Why?

reply to post by rikriley

Very cool, so you see anything from my posts?

about the race comment; that is not true: supposition tells and i say supposition because official history and unofficial history of the location you are referring to diverges into conscious fantasy.

kmt and set heilo and on upper and lower egypt;

and peoples consciousness has a part to play in the society they find themselves; my opinion.

supposition

what if the way you think meant that you naturally gravitate to a place or locality(space/time) due to your conscious set/kmt; to be cared for by people gracious enough to provide on their own free will?

would that mean that you find your self in the statement you have allowed me to read on this forum?

and onto a more real topic pertaining this thread;

why do people persist to believe that a locality has to be true because a locality is true in ones mind;

supposition after prosed question

why do you think a spatial locality such as time for a being means that factors pertaining ones being and cultivation of beingness is the same from a point in locality to movement in locality?

the "egyptian" ;which is a false term for the person whom is supposedly in topic of this thread: assuredly built the pyramid's as assuredly as you can tell me from your locality that newyork is thriving and theres a lady in stone.

reply to post by Skyfloating

Originally posted by Skyfloating
I wasnt aware of this up to now, despite a lot of reading on the subject. I just knew there are still new things to be learned here.

Thanks for educating.

Anytime. It was actually in one of Scott Creighton's thread that I had learned about Menkaure also having the concave sides. I was aware of only the GP having this feature, but was quite surprised to learn that Menakure has it also. The sites that I've been to regarding this have all stated that the GP was the only pyramid to demonstrate these concavities. It's quite obvious when looking at them from above that this is not the case.

So technically these 2 are 8 sided pyramids. What would be the purpose of that?



reply to post by cormac mac airt

Originally posted by cormac mac airt
PhotonEffect,
If you haven't already, you should check out this website on the Giza Plateau. I'm sure it will answer alot of your questions.
www.aeraweb.org...

Thanks for that link cormac,

Great site. I've been to this one before and have been working thru the rest of it little by little. (I'm reading about the encampments now) I was directed there a couple of times before when questioning the results of the C14 dating that had been conducted at Giza. The results are all over the place (off by hundreds of years) and to me aren't conclusive enough to determine definitive dates. But nevertheless I was sent there to shut me up.

Still waiting for the wood pieces found inside the shafts (see Dixon & Grant relics) or the boats found along side Khufu's pyramid to be dated. From my understanding Hawass hasn't pushed for locating these wooden pieces either so that a proper dating could be accomplished. I don't get it.




[edit on 16-3-2008 by PhotonEffect]

PhotonEffect,

I too realize that the C14 results aren't conclusive, but what's telling to me is that they vary by hundreds of years, not thousands of years.

Also, have you taken into account that what you see of the outside of the pyramids wasn't the actual surface. That was destroyed during the middle ages and earlier for local construction purposes of the city. The apparent concavity may have been originally designed into the pyramids to help support the original surface. Just a thought.

cormac