Tired Area 51 Employees?

1st thank you.

I think that there's a good reason for the secrecy of the 40s 50s 60s 70s 80s and even the 90s. But we're not kids anymore. We can take it.

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Agreed, there is no reason the populus needs to be protected there are some that will panic and some that will prepare but the ones who will panic will do such no matter what.

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I agree with you there hasn't been the need for black projects for well over a decade. The US government say they need black projects because they do not want their enemeis to know about their advanced technology.

Which Enemies???

The Russians in the 70s/80s/90s. But now? The war on terror is a sham there is no common enemy just individual groups of fighters with little or no technology.

"Because we are doing this for decades and look where it got us ..NOWHERE!!!!


You can have an opinoion but if it s a stupid one i will tell you LIKE it or not
i KNOW YOUR NOT USED TO THIS IN THE US! "

You CAN'T be serious! Denial of a voice is exactly what has brought us to this point! If people had not been forced/threatened to agree with the opinion of the Administration we would not have invaded Iraq. Either you agreed with them or you were a traitor. That is exactly what you are doing by denying Hollow Point a voice/opinion.


Back on topic now.

I think you would be hard pressed to get one of the Area 51 employees to talk. They all knew where they were going to work when they took the job. They all knew about the rumors about the place. Chasing them around and harassing them will accomplish nothing. If one of them wants to talk, they will do the contacting. Chasing them around would only get you into trouble.

Originally posted by jon_1983
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Which Enemies???

That would be the non-compliant citizens of course. I mean al Caida! Yeah. They are trying to stay technologically ahead of the terrorists who have built eextensive labs in their caves!

The thing is if there is a country that we can defeat and they try to advance their technology/weaponry we will flatten them. That is so stupid. So maybe they are the enemy. Tremble before the all powerful "American Empire".

*completely irrelevant but you guys are sparking ideas in my brain. wierd how information works. lol.

Originally posted by Kreeper

That would be the non-compliant citizens of course. I mean al Caida! Yeah. They are trying to stay technologically ahead of the terrorists who have built eextensive labs in their caves!

So thats why the US needs antigravity crafts with cloaking devices! Just send Rambo in with some agent orange.

Originally posted by jon_1983


So thats why the US needs antigravity crafts with cloaking devices! Just send Rambo in with some agent orange.

All the easier to see you with my dear. All the easier to destroy your country/life.

Its entirely within their legal rights to do this so long as they stay on public property or do not forcibly enter their homes. End of story.

In other words. If you can get on public property and put a high resolution, high range telescopic camera and see over a city into a movie star's bath tub. Thats legal (though they can sue you)... same goes for A-51. Put a camera high enough that can see far enough, and they can't do any (legal) thing to stop you asides sue.

Great, Back on topic.

That is true. I do not question the legal aspects of it, I am questioning the human side. SHOULD we probe not CAN we. It just seems like it would be stressful. even more than it has to be working for a highly secured base.

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There are no enemies, only excuses. Terrorism has been a problem in America for a VERY long time(Street gangs anyone?). Fact is, no one seems to realize that the US military, especially the Air Force, by and large, would completely decimate ANY Earthly fighting force without the benefit of ZPMs or anti-gravity, or energy pulse weapons. No, national security is not what this is about. But considers this:

What if it's Planetary Security? What if disclosing this information would alert alien races that we're in conflict with about us and our intentions? That would probably be a bad thing. But at the same time, if it is about planetary security, you would think that the powers that be would want everybody available to fight..Which, unless there's something else involved. Tech for acceptable abductions/experimentations seems to be the most plausible of the 3. If this is the case, then disclosure is absolutely needed to expose a galaxy wide crime ring orchestrated in part by our own government.

Originally posted by HollowPointPeace
Great, Back on topic.

That is true. I do not question the legal aspects of it, I am questioning the human side. SHOULD we probe not CAN we. It just seems like it would be stressful. even more than it has to be working for a highly secured base.

Area 51 is nothing more than a top secret AFB for the development, design and testing of reconnaissance(like the SR-71) and tactical aircraft (bombers and fighters). It also recently has been facilitated for biological and chemical weapons training. Its remoteness was selected because it makes it easy to control who sees what and for the flatness of the lakebed which made an excellent runway. It also has perfect terrain for mock chemical attack training. Recently a few select fire departments from California and Nevada were trained there in the event of a chemical attack.

The reason for the high level of security is most likely (and this is my educated guess, a very educated guess) because of the chemicals used and how they dispose of the hazardous waste as well as radioactive waste. Since the powers that run area 51 feel they are above the law and above the Government for that matter, they feel as if they can burn or use hazardous chemicals to their hearts desire. I am guessing if the powers in Washington knew about the use of the agents at area 51 and the potential hazard to the employees It would be shut down in a day. That is the main reason for such tight security. Another reason for the tight security is the fact that if they release info about a new top secret aircraft, its considered a federal crime, so no one says anything. They just do their job and go home. Employees are not even allowed to mutter one word in fear of being "relieved" of their job and stripped of their pension and face jail time.

Getting back to the opening post and the question...
"is it unwarranted intrusion to harass A51 employees for interviews?"

Well, it makes good TV for one, which was probably the main reason for doing it. But it's not really unfair, it's just not going to get results. My job is relatively mundane and I am not allowed to speak on behalf of my company, it's in my contract. If I break that, I am out of work. There is a 'media office' that deals with all that. That's because they know how journalists can manipulate what you say to suit a given agenda or story they are trying to put forward. To expect your average employee of any big business to start spilling the beans on what goes on is pretty ludicrous.

As far as some of the other points go.....

It was mentioned by jon_1983 I think, about the fact that this technology that is being developed is being kept secret from 'our' enemies, so that 'we' keep the upper hand.

In my opinion this is not the reason it is kept secret.

For me, it is more likely kept secret so that some other company or nation cannot develop their own version and therefore has to purchase this one. Even Ford or VW keep any new vehicle design under wraps until they are ready to release it as it gives them the edge over their competitors.

I mean does anyone 'really' know whats going on there?

If there are all these anti-gravity and other exotic technolgies being developed there, the reason your not going to know about it yet is because it's not yet ready to use or sell and is still under development. When it's ready to sell or use, it'll be public. How long were stealth technologies kept secret while the aircraft existed in the development phase?

I thought this thread was going to be about being tired of the recent surge in A51 "employees" here.

These various threads started out as interesting reads but have degraded into childish name-calling and rants.

That, I am getting tired of.

Originally posted by scooler1
I thought this thread was going to be about being tired of the recent surge in A51 "employees" here.

No Sorry, but that would be a pretty good idea for a thread. Maybe one of those "employees" would shed some light on the subject. lol. thanks for the post.

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Listen here is my point. Some of the the "secrets" at area 51 are most likely blatant violations of international and national laws probably pertaining to the development of chemical weapons. Releasing such delicate info would very much jeopardize the trust and integrity of the Depts of government which regulate such practices. It would do far more bad than good to release such info. I also believe that the powers that govern area-51 are above the Air Force and the Government so they do as they please. Secondly until such black project aircraft (like the the development of the B2 bomber) is officially released, its under extremely tight security measures since it addresses national security therefor its none of our business because it does not exist yet.

So there are probably very good reasons for the "secrecy" and like I said before the powers at area 51 have absolutely no obligation to anyone since its considered above any governing entity we have.

Thirdly Absolutely no one who claims that they work there is posting on a widely popular national site like this. The ramifications for such action would be not be worth it to anyone who is under security restrictions such as the protocol at area 51. I feel that these posters are just making up bogus claims

just my 2 cents



[edit on 7-2-2008 by luxor311]

Originally posted by luxor311
reply to post by projectvxn

 

Listen here is my point. Some of the the "secrets" at area 51 are most likely blatant violations of international and national laws probably pertaining to the development of chemical weapons. Releasing such delicate info would very much jeopardize the trust and integrity of the Depts of government which regulate such practices. It would do far more bad than good to release such info. I also believe that the powers that govern area-51 are above the Air Force and the Government so they do as they please. Secondly until such black project aircraft (like the the development of the B2 bomber) is officially released, its under extremely tight security measures since it addresses national security therefor its none of our business because it does not exist yet.

So there are probably very good reasons for the "secrecy" and like I said before the powers at area 51 have absolutely no obligation to anyone since its considered above any governing entity we have.

Thirdly Absolutely no one who claims that they work there is posting on a widely popular national site like this. The ramifications for such action would be not be worth it to anyone who is under security restrictions such as the protocol at area 51. I feel that these posters are just making up bogus claims

just my 2 cents



[edit on 7-2-2008 by luxor311]

On the last part, You are spot on! I don't believe anyone who says they worked for A51. But at the same time, alot of my UFO/Alien research has lead me to believe that something more happens there than meets the eye.
You can't know precisely what goes on there. And if they are developing weapons that are in violation of everything we stand for then the public should know. UFOs or Not.

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My personal belief is that area 51 has absolutely nothing to do with aliens or UFO's. There is far more evidence to point my case than to any extraterrestrial activity, remember people like Bob Lazar were making up stories for publicity purposes. If it was true what he claims he would of conveniently disappeared. Come on, that makes for great science fiction but not science fact. I do believe in the UFO phenomenon but not that they are here shaking hands and playing golf with the employees at area 51.

Originally posted by luxor311
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My personal belief is that area 51 has absolutely nothing to do with aliens or UFO's. There is far more evidence to point my case than to any extraterrestrial activity, remember people like Bob Lazar were making up stories for publicity purposes. If it was true what he claims he would of conveniently disappeared. Come on, that makes for great science fiction but not science fact. I do believe in the UFO phenomenon but not that they are here shaking hands and playing golf with the employees at area 51.

Interesting you should mention Bob Lazar. I'm not sure if you've seen my posts about him, but I put no stock at all into what he says. Nor do I even consider what John Lear says to be true, although I did research their claims. Came up empty.

Aside from that, the research I have done about A51 and UFOs come straight out of Roswell. But, to be fair to your argument, I will have to look into it alot deeper before I can refute your belief, I have evidence, but nothing concrete. And it may be that I will NEVER find anything concrete about it. In which case it would lend credence to your beliefs on the matter. I am very open to your hypothesis, but I'm in the process of excluding the impossible right now...And I gotta tell ya I'm having a hard time doing it.