USA a threat against the rest of the world!

Having patriotic pride is not about showing it over all things, even arguably better ones (that is patrioterism, or nearly nazism). Besides, USA is the model in wich the EU is based. You want to choose between EU and USA? Well, but that is almost *the same* (and don't get me started about this): a conglomerate of States ruled by a single hand in USA and a single council n EU, with many nearly autonomous State governments.

You want to work for the USA? Good for you if you like it. I dissaprove many things my government has done, but approve many other things. Don't expect to think the USA government is going to do only the things you would approve, because it's not.

P.S.: About chinese censorship, do you know about Steganography?

...and about the USA Army invading my homeland to make me 'free', sorry but no way, I would not be happy with that. I'm free thinking right now, thanks. If USA Army wants to do tourism, better do it in friendliest ways.

[Edited on 2002-12-25 by MakodFilu]

Originally posted by MakodFilu

1) Besides, USA is the model in wich the EU is based. You want to choose between EU and USA? Well, but that is almost *the same* (and don't get me started about this): a conglomerate of States ruled by a single hand in USA and a single council n EU, with many nearly autonomous State governments.

2) Don't expect to think the USA government is going to do only the things you would approve, because it's not.

3) P.S.: About chinese censorship, do you know about Steganography?

4) ...and about the USA Army invading my homeland to make me 'free', sorry but no way, I would not be happy with that. I'm free thinking right now, thanks. If USA Army wants to do tourism, better do it in friendliest ways.

1) If it's almost the same, explain me why one is strong and the other one is weak ?

2) Don't worry for me. I'm not fool. I know that you cannot agree ALL THE TIME with your country. But you know, in 90%, I allways disagree with the EU and allways agree with the US.

An exemple ? I agree with the EU when they say " niet " to Turkey when she want to join the EU, and I 'don't agree with the US when they support the Turkey when she want to join the EU.

3) Yes I know. But it doesn't change anything. When a chinese look on internet for a steganography software, the China Gov know it ( the guy have an IP ), and if he don't remove the software.....Also, they can block many websites.So, their peoples are not able to reach them.Then, steganography or not,when you are a chinese, you are fuc%ed !

4) tssss...tssss.....Whe they will invades you, you'll regret what you wrote. I will tell them that you don't like them !

Originally posted by ultra_phoenix
1) If it's almost the same, explain me why one is strong and the other one is weak ?

Because we don't see thing the same way. I see one strong and one even stronger. Nothing more, nothing less.

2) Don't worry for me. I'm not fool. I know that you cannot agree ALL THE TIME with your country. But you know, in 90%, I allways disagree with the EU and allways agree with the US.

An exemple ? I agree with the EU when they say " niet " to Turkey when she want to join the EU, and I 'don't agree with the US when they support the Turkey when she want to join the EU.

I don't care. If you like USA politics more, go USA. Nothing stops you to do so (besides your work, I hope you'll find a remedy for that)

3) Yes I know.

But it doesn't change anything. When a chinese look on internet for a steganography software, the China Gov know it ( the guy have an IP ), and if he don't remove the software.....Also, they can block many websites.So, their peoples are not able to reach them.Then, steganography or not,when you are a chinese, you are fuc%ed !

Maybe, who knows, but again, there is a Chinese member here, so there can be better ways to circumvent the censorship wich I don't know, or simply, we both are forgotting something.

4) tssss...tssss.....Whe they will invades you, you'll regret what you wrote.

I will tell them that you don't like them !

I regret nothing. I hope you regret this 4th point, because it sounded childish, don't you think?

...and sure, I don't like USA politicians as you don't like EU politicians. It's a matter of tastes. I have good USA friends, but sometimes USA politicians plainly sucks.

You sound so niave when you say *US politicians suck*..i have news for you there partner..All of them suck..No mater where they come from..It kinda sounds to me that it is easier for you to pick on a country that is far away from you..or..i guess you find it easier to jump on the *i hate America band wagon*....on second thougth i think that is it..!

Boomslang

Boomslang

Originally posted by Boomslang
You sound so naive when you say *US politicians suck*..i have news for you there partner..All of them suck..No mater where they come from..It kinda sounds to me that it is easier for you to pick on a country that is far away from you..or..i guess you find it easier to jump on the *i hate **USA** band wagon*....on second thougth i think that is it..!

Boomslang

Politicians (whatever the country) don't allways make what we think it's best. I said that in this very thread.

About me being in the *I hate USA band wagon*, I hope you are not trying to picture me the easy way and just dismissing all my opinnions to only feel comfortable with yourself . I don't hate USA. I said I have some friends in USA. Hey! I even have *family* there.

I think USA politicians sucks sometimes. In fact, every politician sucks sometimes. I say that as the answers I am receiving in this thread, it seems that *there is nothing wrong* about your politics, that all is fine, all is going well and all is wonderful, which seriously, if you are not insane, you would not believe yourself.

[Edited on 2002-12-25 by MakodFilu]

Originally posted by MakodFilu

I regret nothing. I hope you regret this 4th point, because it sounded childish, don't you think?

No, I don't think so. Because I was just kidding with you.

Ok.

On other matters... It seems that pollution is backfiring already... Climate is going mad in the USA?

Hope that will not be so serious as pictured here on informatives.

Have a Happy Christmas,
MakodFilu

I say we create something like the federation in star trek called united earth.
this will consist of the worlds best scientists and all the worlds contries would combine there share of money to do stuff in space.
That way we every1 is equal and no need for competion.
wat da ya think??

What happened to drinking killians and watching the world die?

Originally posted by MakodFilu

Climate is going mad in the USA?

Hope that will not be so serious as pictured here on informatives.

Yes, I saw these snow storms. But it's happen everywhere in the world. The climate is going worst.

P.S : Kigga, on your tv set, there is an " off " button. May be you can push it ?

Originally posted by ultra_phoenix
Yes, I saw these snow storms.

But it's happen everywhere in the world. The climate is going worst.

I knew The only thing I was pointing is it's *also* happening there. Only that.

Again, I hope it's not so serious.

I don't understand everything but I guess the U.S. isn't really 'humanfriendly'??



US Rogue State

1. In December 2001, the United States officially withdrew from the 1972 Antiballistic Missile Treaty, gutting the landmark agreement-the first time in the nuclear era that the US renounced a major arms control accord.

2. 1972 Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention ratified by 144 nations including the United States. In July 2001 the US walked out of a London conference to discuss a 1994 protocol designed to strengthen the Convention by providing for on-site inspections. At Geneva in November 2001, US Undersecretary of State John Bolton stated that "the protocol is dead," at the same time accusing Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Libya, Sudan, and Syria of violating the Convention but offering no specific allegations or supporting evidence.

3. UN Agreement to Curb the International Flow of Illicit Small Arms, July 2001: the US was the only nation to oppose it.

4. April 2001, the US was not re-elected to the UN Human Rights Commission, after years of withholding dues to the UN (including current dues of $244 million)-and after having forced the UN to lower its share of the UN budget from 25 to 22 percent. (In the Human Rights Commission, the US stood virtually alone in opposing resolutions supporting lower-cost access to HIV/AIDS drugs, acknowledging a basic human right to adequate food, and calling for a moratorium on the death penalty.)

5. International Criminal Court (ICC) Treaty, to be set up in The Hague to try political leaders and military personnel charged with war crimes and crimes against humanity. Signed in Rome in July 1998, the Treaty was approved by 120 countries, with 7 opposed (including the US). In October 2001 Great Britain became the 42nd nation to sign. In December 2001 the US Senate again added an amendment to a military appropriations bill that would keep US military personnel from obeying the jurisdiction of the proposed ICC.

6. Land Mine Treaty, banning land mines; signed in Ottawa in December 1997 by 122 nations. The United States refused to sign, along with Russia, China, India, Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Vietnam, Egypt, and Turkey. President Clinton rejected the Treaty, claiming that mines were needed to protect South Korea against North Korea's "overwhelming military advantage." He stated that the US would "eventually" comply, in 2006; this was disavowed by President Bush in August 2001.

7. Kyoto Protocol of 1997, for controlling global warming: declared "dead" by President Bush in March 2001. In November 2001, the Bush administration shunned negotiations in Marrakech (Morocco) to revise the accord, mainly by watering it down in a vain attempt to gain US approval.

8. In May 2001, refused to meet with European Union nations to discuss, even at lower levels of government, economic espionage and electronic surveillance of phone calls, e-mail, and faxes (the US "Echelon" program),

9. Refused to participate in Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD)-sponsored talks in Paris, May 2001, on ways to crack down on off-shore and other tax and money-laundering havens.

10. Refused to join 123 nations pledged to ban the use and production of anti-personnel bombs and mines, February 2001

11. September 2001: withdrew from International Conference on Racism, bringing together 163 countries in Durban, South Africa

12. International Plan for Cleaner Energy: G-8 group of industrial nations (US, Canada, Japan, Russia, Germany, France, Italy, UK), July 2001: the US was the only one to oppose it.

13. Enforcing an illegal boycott of Cuba, now being made tighter. In the UN in October 2001, the General Assembly passed a resolution, for the tenth consecutive year, calling for an end to the US embargo, by a vote of 167 to 3 (the US, Israel, and the Marshall Islands in opposition).

14. Comprehensive [Nuclear] Test Ban Treaty. Signed by 164 nations and ratified by 89 including France, Great Britain, and Russia; signed by President Clinton in 1996 but rejected by the Senate in 1999. The US is one of 13 nonratifiers among countries that have nuclear weapons or nuclear power programs. In November 2001, the US forced a vote in the UN Committee on Disarmament and Security to demonstrate its opposition to the Test Ban Treaty.

15. In 1986 the International Court of Justice (The Hague) ruled that the US was in violation of international law for "unlawful use of force" in Nicaragua, through its actions and those of its Contra proxy army. The US refused to recognize the Court's jurisdiction. A UN resolution calling for compliance with the Court's decision was approved 94-2 (US and Israel voting no).

16. In 1984 the US quit UNESCO (UN Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization) and ceased its payments for UNESCO's budget, over the New World Information and Communication Order (NWICO) project designed to lessen world media dependence on the "big four" wire agencies (AP, UPI, Agence France-Presse, Reuters). The US charged UNESCO with "curtailment of press freedom," as well as mismanagement and other faults, despite a 148-1 in vote in favor of NWICO in the UN. UNESCO terminated NWICO in 1989; the US nonetheless refused to rejoin. In 1995 the Clinton administration proposed rejoining; the move was blocked in Congress and Clinton did not press the issue. In February 2000 the US finally paid some of its arrears to the UN but excluded UNESCO, which the US has not rejoined.

17. Optional Protocol, 1989, to the UN's International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, aimed at abolition of the death penalty and containing a provision banning the execution of those under 18. The US has neither signed nor ratified and specifically exempts itself from the latter provision, making it one of five countries that still execute juveniles (with Saudi Arabia, Democratic Republic of Congo, Iran, Nigeria). China abolished the practice in 1997, Pakistan in 2000.

18. 1979 UN Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women. The only countries that have signed but not ratified are the US, Afghanistan, Sao Tome and Principe.

19. The US has signed but not ratified the 1989 UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, which protects the economic and social rights of children. The only other country not to ratify is Somalia, which has no functioning government.

20. UN International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, 1966, covering a wide range of rights and monitored by the Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights. The US signed in 1977 but has not ratified.

21. UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, 1948. The US finally ratified in 1988, adding several "reservations" to the effect that the US Constitution and the "advice and consent" of the Senate are required to judge whether any "acts in the course of armed conflict" constitute genocide. The reservations are rejected by Britain, Italy, Denmark, the Netherlands, Spain, Greece, Mexico, Estonia, and others.

22. Is the status of "we're number one!" Rogue overcome by generous foreign aid to given less fortunate countries? The three best aid providers, measured by the foreign aid percentage of their gross domestic products, are Denmark (1.01%), Norway (0.91%), and the Netherlands (0.79), The three worst: USA (0.10%), UK (0.23%), Australia, Portugal, and Austria (all 0.26).

america was created to screw the world

Originally posted by Ev Dog
america was created to screw the world

Hey, great statement man.
How many time did you go at school to write something like this ? 5 days ? 1 week ?

If the USA were created to screw the world, I wonder what's your opinion on nations like Russia, China, North-Korea, Irak, Iran....etc...

Originally posted by Ev Dog
america was created to screw the world

IMO, America (the country) wasn't made to screw the world...But the occupation of Politician (whatever country) was!

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USA IS THE BEST COUNTRY IN THIS WORLD!!!!! everybody who's smart will think the same like me!!! usa usa usa forever!!! greetings for all americans!!!!!!

alright, b4 any of you ask, im not from usa im in canada and my bakround is kurdish (right beside iraq) and also, im probably not as old as all of u so dont make fun of my grammer but i just wanted to point out that some of u talked about us not starting any wars and so on well u r all wrong, undercover, usa/ well not usa really just george bush is an evil man. i dont know if any of u know about this since us was so sneaky about it but iraq (which every one sees as a terrorism country) wasn't always a "war" country. infact, it was i mice, develping nation with lots of oil and natural resourses- yes that means they were on their way of probably being richer or jst as powerfull as usa, now usa was noticeing their rapid development and they didn't like it, bush wanted usa to be the only powerfull nation. so, he---(dont ask me bout details im not so familior bout this case but i know it happend) anyways he went ahead and with his powerful a nation split kurdistan into 4 parts dont ask me their names, and therfor, puting them into fights on different parts of land and oil. from their on, bush turned many parts of iraq against each other because they had no choice, without having the whole iraq as one nation, they were powerless. now i dont not every thing bout what happend their but the main point is that usa did infact start the longest the most dangerous and longest ongoing war that many no about. now their sucking up and trying to make themselfs look inosent by helping iraq and trying to stop what they started but clearly, they arn't really trying to stop the war cuz then iraq would gain power and usa dont want that. like cmon do u realy think usa can't stop that was in iraq if they really wanted to. now note that i dont hate usa, infact their the coolest nation out their and they did infact help out the rest of the world with their medicens and technolagy but bush in general has done horible- selfish acts. hopefully, barrak obama will be a better president and be a better leader to take control of the great usa. and hopfully, he wont be anything like bush. lets gooo obama--u can change the world!!