UFO-Electromagnetic Levitation Demonstration

Ok, what am I missing?

Why is this anything other than high school physics? When you place a conducting material close to a coil carrying current, the induced current will create its own, opposing field. why would this be major news!

Someone please explain since I am obviously missing something.

reply to post by MaatiHemet


That was my thought too. It was just another abduction report, but one that included some info on the craft. But yes, I was thinking the same thing after reading the OPs opener and watching some video demonstrations including Mr Bushman's Coil levitation device. Was the heat somehow cooled or capsulized in the tube? For me, it adds a wee-bit of credibility to the abduction report.

Dallas

This thread is one of the reasons it is so hard to take anything on ATS seriously.
What is shown here is an electrical magnet on a metal table.
I can build one in 5 minutes flat.
Youtube is loaded with experiments and vids of similar stuff.

ELEMENTARY ELECTRONICS
and it is enough to get a bunch of you to:

1. Accuse the government of a cover up
2. Turn this guy into Einstein
3. Warn us that this video will be "taken down"
4. Profess a "proof" of anti-grav


In short, many of you sound ignorant of the current state of electronics and science.

If you think there are alternative technologies out there.. ok,
if you believe the government is holding back.., ok,
but AT LEAST do some elemental research on the things you seem to "know" about because clearly as seen in this example, many of you are sorely lacking in the basic knowledge of how things work.

And that really hurts the credibility of everyone here.

Yes, I have seen one with thin wire shaped like a triangle, almost like a kite that does the exact same thing! I saw this many years ago, part of a dvd for "0 energy". I would be pretty damn surprised if the military has not already built an entire UFO from the same concept! It almost sounds like a UFO too!

reply to post by freighttrain


The one you saw that is shaped like a triangle with wiring isn't anti-gravity. It's called a "Lifter".
What happens is when electricity is passed through the wires, it causes them to vibrate which pulses the air around it.
There is foil built into this triangle configuration that catches this air like sails.
Causing it to float... not defying gravity or magnetic propulsion.

Edit: Forgot to give you an url: American Antigravity

[edit on 6/2/2008 by Sovaka]

I know most of the smarter people here have already addressed this as being nothing more than a magnet, floating above a sheet of metal.

This is not anti-gravity. You (or anyone) can levitate a magnet over a piece of metal.

Make a coil of wire that equals x number of turns around a tube or whatever, then apply a current. You've just made yourself an electromagnet.

Place that magnet over a sheet of steel or iron and it will "levitate".

What keeps amazing me here is the irony. It is ironic to me that the motto of this website is "deny ignorance", yet there are so many people being duped (via their ignorance) into a belief in magic.

Just because you want to believe in something you saw, doesn't make it true.

Either that poor man needs money and is pulling a few magic tricks out of his hat to amaze the ignorant, or he was tricked and the video was edited to make it seem like he was suggesting that the electromagnet shown was some kind of incredible anti-gravity device.

It's an "electromagnet" go look it up and learn something.

Don't "deny" your ignorance, that's like ignoring your own ignorance. You should DEFEAT your ignorance instead. Look through the BS people are selling you.




[edit on 8-2-2008 by Electro38]

MOre than a magnet -- you bet !! It's more than the std fluff can imagine. It's the deepest darkest secret beyond "swamp-gas, E115, Electromagnetic Waves..." forget about it.

What we offer here is seemingly less than speculation. We offer guesses. I've been doing it for years, but won't know the real answer until one of the next lives include a level of scientifically developed thinking to the point of being on-par with and included in the 'need to know' -- maybe?

Dallas

Originally posted by Dallas
MOre than a magnet -- you bet !! It's more than the std fluff can imagine. It's the deepest darkest secret beyond "swamp-gas, E115, Electromagnetic Waves..." forget about it.

What we offer here is seemingly less than speculation. We offer guesses. I've been doing it for years, but won't know the real answer until one of the next lives include a level of scientifically developed thinking to the point of being on-par with and included in the 'need to know' -- maybe?

Dallas

What are you talking about?

I used Mythbusters or ATS as an example. The point is that this guys experiments must be repeatable.

For example, if this guy's coil experiment is an ac current electromagnet over an aluminum desk, then its just a diamagnetic trick. But if it can be repeated without a diamagnetic response then it is something else. So this should easily be explained with repetition and a simple challenge for the experiment to be done away from diamagnetic materials.

Likewise, the man claims to be able to get different rates of gravitational acceleration from two repelling magnets stuck together versus a normal rock, dropped off a building. That seems like a very simple experiment to repeat. If its just a linear electric motor/linear inducer(induced current stealing the energy) effect, one could repeat the experiment away from significant electrical fields or conductors. I'm afraid that's probably what this is, though. One can imagine he dropped the magnets off the side of a building, and they induced a slight current in a neighboring metal part of the building as they moved, resulting in energy loss to the current and a slower fall. But again, this could be tested and either verified or denied. By credible scientists. On TV. So this is testable. That's rare around here.

[edit on 8-2-2008 by Ectoterrestrial]

[edit on 8-2-2008 by Ectoterrestrial]

reply to post by Electro38


Just, it seems simple enough to me. Everything is speculation. There's nothing else to go on. Is there?

Dallas

The coil seems to levitate as a result of diamagnetism as a result of an AC current in a current loop. See here: en.wikipedia.org... electromagnetic_fields

As for the resistance that the magnet feels falling through the copper pipe, this is a well known and understood effect of Lenz's law with which I have personal experience. The falling magnet induces a current in the pipe, which creates a magnetic field opposing the fall of the magnet. See here:
msdaif.googlepages.com...
I saw the demonstration in my high school physics class.

Hope that clears it up.

Originally posted by gormly
This thread is one of the reasons it is so hard to take anything on ATS seriously.

Pages 2, 4 and 5 will prove this statement wrong.
If 90% of the people who have posted a reply on page 5 had read page 2, they would know that everything that was needed to say was said - but don't get me wrong, the more people that post about electromagnetism, the better.

I wouldn't blame OP for not knowing that what the video showed was actually something that humans have been doing for centuries, as not everyone takes higher level physics.

However, I agree there is a problem on ATS:
The solution to this thread was shown in the very first page, when NeedToNo mentioned Lenz Law. However that post was buried very quickly with cover up theories and such. That's the problem right there, ATS is filled with people who don't read anything that doesn't include conspiracy theories. No way to stop them, but hopefully we can save newcomers from falling into their BS - that's why I said that the more people that post the right thing, the better.

There is another flaw on ATS, I bet if someone posts about this about two years from now, the same kind of discussions will take place. There should be a way to prevent that, like creating an archive of solved cases, with the respective solution highlighted.

[edit on 9-2-2008 by daniel_g]

That sure was a nice 5th grade science experiment. It's not the answer to how an UFO flies and moves. All that was is just a standard electro magnet. Look at the video, its a piece of think metal (dark like a flat magnet) turned up on lets say the positive side, and then the coil is placed with its positive side facing towards the metal. Its the same thing that occurs in nature. I am sure just about everyone has taken two magnets and tried to push them together with the same polarities touching only to see that they won't stick if you let them go. Yes it probably does get hot if you got a couple of hundred volts running threw it. Yes it is levitation but not the kind that will work over any surface, thats what were looking for. Show me that same coil just floating in mid air, and then your on to something.

-BB

Originally posted by gormly
This thread is one of the reasons it is so hard to take anything on ATS seriously.
What is shown here is an electrical magnet on a metal table.
I can build one in 5 minutes flat.
Youtube is loaded with experiments and vids of similar stuff.

ELEMENTARY ELECTRONICS
and it is enough to get a bunch of you to:

1. Accuse the government of a cover up
2. Turn this guy into Einstein
3. Warn us that this video will be "taken down"
4. Profess a "proof" of anti-grav


In short, many of you sound ignorant of the current state of electronics and science.

If you think there are alternative technologies out there.. ok,
if you believe the government is holding back.., ok,
but AT LEAST do some elemental research on the things you seem to "know" about because clearly as seen in this example, many of you are sorely lacking in the basic knowledge of how things work.

And that really hurts the credibility of everyone here.

Didn't you see the link I posted about the levitating frogs? You can find it here:

www.hfml.ru.nl... & there are videos of other magnetically levitating non magnetic objects & a good explanation of why it happens.

In essence, if you have a strong enough magnetic field you can make non magnetic objects levitate in the magnetic field. This is happening not because the objects have an already naturally existing opposing magnetic field, but because they are diamagnetic.

Now, replace the tube that focusses the magnetic field internally with something that can focus the magnetic field externally, & replace the frog with the Earth, and you should get the winding/magnetic object levitating over the Earth rather than the frog floating inside the magnetic field in the tube.

All done with no metal table necessary.

[edit on 9-2-2008 by dshut69]

[edit on 9-2-2008 by dshut69]

www.hfml.ru.nl...

As you might well know, all matter in the universe consists of small particles called atoms and each atom contains electrons that circle around a nucleus. This is how the world is made.
If one places an atom (or a large piece of a matter containing billions and billions of atoms) in a magnetic field, electrons doing their circles inside do not like this very much. They alter their motion in such a way as to oppose this external influence.
Incidentally, this is the most general principle of Nature: whenever one tries to change something settled and quiet, the reaction is always negative (you can easily check out that this principle also applies to the interaction between you and your parents). So, according to this principle, the disturbed electrons create their own magnetic field and as a result the atoms behave as little magnetic needles pointing in the direction opposite to the applied field*.

As you probably saw many times when playing with magnets, magnets push each other away if you try to bring together their like poles, for example, two north or two south poles. Similarly, the north pole of the external field will try to push away the “north poles” of magnetized atoms.
Our magnet creates a very large magnetic field (about 100 to 1000 times larger than school or household magnets).
In this field, all the atoms inside the frog act as very small magnets creating a field of about 2 Gauss (although very small, such a field can still be detected by a compass). One may say that the frog is now built up of these tiny magnets all of which are repelled by the large magnet. The force, which is directed upwards, appears to be strong enough to compensate the force of gravity (directed downwards) that also acts on every single atom of the frog. So, the frog’s atoms do not feel any force at all and the frog floats as if it were in a spacecraft.



[edit on 9-2-2008 by dshut69]

From what I can compile from reports and videos and the studying of magnetics from a few classes and some videos and experiments; this is possible. It's only a advanced type of magnetics that makes UFOs hover or "fly" if thats what you want to call it. Also to complete the circle they have gravity manipulation devices to stop gravity from pulling them down and using its forces to propel the craft through the air. Though I don't believe in the light speed travel they have because I think it is simply just dimensional travel which is why they can appear and reappear in fractions of a second. They do travel very fast in the sky as seen in some tapes but not the speed of light in space or on terra. They use the dimensions.

lol, you can buy these online, you can make um with stuff in your own home, very simple application. works on the same principle of n/s magneting, lol do a basic google search for levitation toy or anti gravity toy typed just like that!

For example, if this guy's coil experiment is an ac current electromagnet over an aluminum desk, then its just a diamagnetic trick. But if it can be repeated without a diamagnetic response then it is something else. So this should easily be explained with repetition and a simple challenge for the experiment to be done away from diamagnetic materials.

No, the requirements for "anti-gravity" are much stronger.

Any 'antigravity' worth the name would intrinsically induce optical distortion from gravitational lensing.

The actual appearance of the object would be distorted in very weird ways and possibly the apparent color as well due to gravitational red/blueshift.

The exact patterns are not included in commercial FX software either. I don't think they have "solve Einstein Field Equations driven by hypothetical exotic matter" as a plug-in.

Anti-gravity also means relativistic time-effects and change in inertia. None of these are demonstrated with just "hovering" which is just a force.

Actual physical "anti-gravity"---in truth, locally engineerable space-time metric---would have profound and weird effects on so many physical parameters. Also, the spatial derivatives of the metric in a "table-top" or "UFO-sized" object would be so enormously larger than the virtuallly flat world we live in that there could be other really strange and potentially biologically dangerous effects if the electromagnetic interactions underlying chemistry were tweaked (imagine atomic energy levels being distorted just a tiny bit, and all sorts of biology stops working right).

[Yes I am a physicist. No, not in gravity but this is so elementary it doesn't matter.]

right
use a gyroscopic alternating electro magnetic system

I have read a lot of this and did see a lot of discussion of using opposing magnetic fields and/or systems similar to linear induction where magnetic fields and electricity are combined and manipulated to move objects or float objects. The problem is not lifting, its controlling. I certainly am not interested in opening this thread with the same visitors but for the youth of today, its the control of the object being propulsed by the field that is key. How will you control the object afloat precisely at extremely high velocity. The velocity of a object levitated by a field of gravity using any method will be able to move at great velocities not seen before. With movement you must navigate or stop movement. What control methods can be used to manipulate the fields that levitate or move the object once it is in motion. It will not have friction to slow down the velocity as a typical car or airplane we now use for transportation. Think it, design it, build it. The youth of today will master it as adults. And I can't wait.

Just a thought from a real, Realist