My theory on why alien technology isn't that far ahead of ours

Someone on this board noted that it's interesting how all the alien ships we see are only 20-30 years beyond our technology. The inference being that it probably isn't alien technology. It's probably our own technology. Now when you take into consideration that we might be travelling back from the future (not as ridiculous as you might think), this 20-30 years thing doesn't sound so weird. Because it's US 20-30 years from now. Another thing you have to consider is that the REALLY advanced races of aliens who are 100,000 years ahead of us in technology are the ones we DON'T SEE. Clearly they're cloaked. Or maybe their surveillance equipment is so sophisticated they can observe us from the saftety of their planet without ever having to make the trip. Who knows. They could probably pose as a tree if they wanted to. The point is, just because we see some UFO that looks to be barely ahead of our time, doesn't mean there isn't some other race that is so advanced we can't even see them.

But I think there's a third distinct possibility and that's that we are being visited by aliens who aren't that far ahead of us technologically. And it may explain why we see the same disks today that we saw 50 years ago (uhhh, why wouldn't their technology get better over 50 years?)

You see maybe some far off civilization that's 20-50 years ahead of us came across a few huge breakthroughs in technology that allowed them to consider space travel (maybe even found their own UFO that they back engineered but didn't completely understand). But instead of being stupid and sending real "humans" (or whatever their race is) to survey our planet, they created biological robots (much like Robert Corso theorized) specifically designed to travel through space. These are not "aliens". They're the alien's robots. They then send these alien-bots off in some sort of traditional travelling method (in other words, no time holes or whatever - it does take them 50-something years to get here) to study us.

Now since they need a "home base", they camp out on the back of the moon (or maybe Mars) and set up shop for 50 years, accumulating data on us. Since sending them here was actually a large-sized operation, they're going to take their time. Hence, they're using the same disks today that they were using 50 years ago. It's all they have.

Another thing you have to consider is that 50 years probably isn't a long time for them. They have likely discovered how to live a lot longer. Maybe 200 or 300 years. So time to them isn't the same as time to us. 50 years seems like a lifetime. To them, not so much. The point being they can afford to have this team of surveyors hang out near earth for 50 years without needing to shuttle back and forth between ours and their planet. Their technology today is probably WAY more sophisticated than what they have surveying us now. It's just too far away to use.

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Wow... a very well thought out thread. I like your ideas and the way you presented them..

Im a bit annoyed though, as a sceptic I can usually find flaws in what I read even if its only a theory but with this I cant...

Good work.. nothing else to say.

Regards,

JQ.

The basic problem I see with that is that the UFO technology we're exposed to seems to advance along with ours. That is, 50 years ago they were flying at speeds and doing things we're capable of now, and now they're flying at speeds and doing things we might be doing 50 years from now.

If they were coming from "the future," then their technology would remain at pretty much the same level while ours advanced. There's wouldn't get more sophisticated as time went on.

See, once you figure out time travel, then all slow development of time machine designs comes to an end, because all you have to do is go into the future and get the most sophisticated time machine design possible. That means all time machines will look and function basically the same, since they will all be based on the same optimum design.

The observation that UFOs have slowly seemed to evolve from clunky flying saucers to sleek triangles and tubes suggests that they don't represent an optimum design. Instead, as Jacques Vallee suggested, the designs are being presented to us (or imagined by us) as a way to nudge our own designs forward. They're like physical manifestations of what engineers are dreaming of today. Whether we're the ones creating these things from our own subconscious thoughts, or they're being sent to us from some alien school of some sort, remains to be determined.

Of course, there's the notion that we only see UFOs of a kind we're mentally and psychically capable of seeing at the present. And as we evolve, they change because we're able to conceptualize them differently. That's another subject, though.

[edit on 1-2-2008 by Nohup]

I would say humanity was giving a 'Fred Flintstone vehicle' compared to what is out there.

You take a civilisation that is much older then you are by millions of years and you have entities that live up to ten- thirty thousand years old, their will be a huge gap in interpretation.

Lost in translation pops up.

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I don't see how we would be imaging any "designs". I've seen videos where I have clearly seen them and they are not fake.

Honestly, I think the less advanced or rogue ships are the ones that make it into our orbit and its probably out of a mistake.

Think along the lines of 1billion+ earthlike planets in the milky way then you can see my point of view. Why would there not be 1000 or more races that have their eye's on Earth (to study).

And consider this. We may think we are in a technology boom now but whos to say some of the tech we have now (computers; nano) wasn't backwards engineered?? And who's to say that once you reach a certain age, past the oil age for example, technology doesn't become much more complex, thus taking longer to research?

Originally posted by menguard

I would say humanity was giving a 'Fred Flintstone vehicle' compared to what is out there.

I agree, if an advanced race were to visit us, wouldn't they send in the scout ships first? The scout ship would be the ships with the least technology of course.

In the book FLYING SAUCERS - SERIOUS BUSINESS, by Frank Edwards (1966), there is statistical data referring to the numbers of sightings of certain kinds of objects in the sky in the last couple centuries. I don't know how accurate this research was, but it explains that before the time of WWI, many sightings had to do with a slow moving, "cigar-shaped" craft, with lights and windows on it. From then on until around the time of WWII, the number of sightings of any kind of craft dropped dramatically. During the 1940s, sightings of fast moving lights and silver disc-shaped objects were on the rise.

...only it's not exactly an "external source", it's another thread on ATS and I just figured I'd quote myself here. It's a good read - definitely one that fueled my interest in the subject when I read it about 15 years ago.

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John Q., thank you.

Nohup, I've heard you mention this "manifestation" thing before. Do you really think something like that is possible? And if so, why? I'm keeping an open mind because if you're going to consider wormholes and time travel and multiple-dimensions - I guess manifesting objects isn't that far fetched.

But is what you're saying that these objects are completely 100% fake? We can't touch them? They don't exist anywhere but in our minds? Even if more than one person sees the same object? What's led you to this hypothesis? I think it's interesting and would like to learn more.

Originally posted by Techsnow

Originally posted by menguard

I would say humanity was giving a 'Fred Flintstone vehicle' compared to what is out there.

I agree, if an advanced race were to visit us, wouldn't they send in the scout ships first? The scout ship would be the ships with the least technology of course.

I would go as far as to say,"that our cousins out there gave us one of their unconventional crafts that is from one of their younger civilisations."

Originally posted by menguard

Originally posted by Techsnow

Originally posted by menguard

I would say humanity was giving a 'Fred Flintstone vehicle' compared to what is out there.

I agree, if an advanced race were to visit us, wouldn't they send in the scout ships first? The scout ship would be the ships with the least technology of course.

I would go as far as to say,"that our cousins out there gave us one of their unconventional crafts that is from one of their younger civilisations."

And that the higher ups in command told the younger civilisation to crash it or be crashed. They did it for the good of the colony. The higher ups would be the older smoother running civilisation.

Everybody is dependant on somebody out there in the dark sea of awareness. Even if it is only ourselves.

Well Imho,
I believe that there has been UFOs around for a lot longer then 50 -100 some years. And I doubt their technology has changed, mainly because they've probably reached the pinacle in technology. Theres alot more to think about then being able to travel at +30,000km. Like one of the others said there are mulitiple dimensions.
These 'beings' are not all from the third dimension. Now I don't know lots about dimensions, but i do know about certain 'beings' belonging to as high as 27th dimension. Being able to travel amongst different dimensions is something completely different on its own. I don't know if this is the same thing as going etheral (not touchable) but if it isn't then thats another branch of technology.
When you reach a certain level on consciousness, you can do anything. So, if these beings have reached this certain level, why need to expand their technology if they haven't already reached the pinacle of technological advancement.

Originally posted by CaptnCrunch
... It's probably our own technology. Now when you take into consideration that we might be travelling back from the future (not as ridiculous as you might think), this 20-30 years thing doesn't sound so weird. Because it's US 20-30 years from now. ...

We can barely send humanoids to Mars and back in 30 years.
Using conventional rocketry.
Even now we are losing space shuttles on mere earth orbit missions.

Mars, a meager 1.5 AU units away from us; a huge technological challenge.

A race capable of travelling light years? kudos, they're at least 200-300 years ahead. At least.

That's a good measuring stick I suppose..for every light year a species can safely travel, they are roughly 300 years ahead of us....If indeed there are EBEs from Zeta here, that's ~11,000 years ahead of us..

i think they are us in the futre allso.

but sorta of a accidently seen.

liek a hybrd airship we make int he future that use's soem sort of freuency or soemthign that leek's a image of the ship's into other time's.

and odd's are at first they didn't know they did.
but after watching a video on youtube 50 year's int he future of there secret military palne.
50 years before it was made...
relize ....this is why ufo's was seen all thew out history....

a ship that use's a new energy wich warp's or bend's time unknowingly.

so this is why the military denie's any existance of ufo's they alreayd made
them and know what they done.
but at same time when they see a new ufo they get a glimpse at there new model in the future lol

and relize there is no harm from the after glow effect's of there ship's in time..
becouse if there was they wouldn't have built them to start with....
other wise know as HISTORY lol

either way yeah they our ship's i think

Pretty clever.

I like how you formulate.

Aggressive takeover isnt possible cos they only have a fancy ship.

They know how we work and function cos, its like us going back to the 60's...we have a huge advantage.