Poor Haitians resort to eating dirt

Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi

Originally posted by Obliv_au
also, one has to wonder what the heck a 16yr old is doing with a kid in this situation.

How do you know what happened? Let's not make assumptions, please.

I don't think I have to really go in to the other possibility of why she got pregnant. The article makes no mention of a father, so this would sort of support that "other possibility."

well someone got pregnant 10mth ago, thats not an assumption and im not a heartless s.o.b. either, im just looking at the entire picture.

im not one to advocate sterilisation, population control or anti-procreation, but it astounds me as to how anyone who is starving can allow themselves to watch their starving child die?

if you was in a similar situation with no supplies and had starved many times previous, you'd know that having a child now is not the right course of action, surely?

Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi

Originally posted by Obliv_au
just feeding them does not help, it only makes things worse in the future.
teaching them and also offering tools and supplied with a helping hand to start a new direction is what is required.

I completely agree. But someone has to make the first move and do SOMETHING. Even if it's small. Just get things moving.

[edit on 1/31/08 by NovusOrdoMundi]

im not going on an anti-iraq war or anti-us tirade, but i see another post "bush requests 70bn for part of 2009"

lets read teh fine print... 70 billion, for PART of 2009.

PART of 2009? that figure just astounds me that its for part of a year. how much will the other "parts" of 2009 cost?

if all world govt's spent more $ on better causes than wars things would get solved permanently.

our aussie military helped indonesia and other northern neighbours by building homes and making wells, food rations, even basic water purification tanks (it was like 5 black containers, each feeding the next and supplying drinking water at the end)

this is the sort of thing thats really needed. our aussie army isnt a bunch of saints either and it was only a small effort on the grand scheme of things, but to me it was a fine example of how aid can be given while helping fix the problems and rebuild an area.

it was no miracle cure for all, but it goes a long way to solving the problem.

Originally posted by Johnmike

Originally posted by Bluess
Ooooh yes then we just have to buy some more GE crops...WTF! Capitalist earth rapers!! Get out of this world allready will you!!!

I'm not sure if anyone should even waste their time responding to you.

I'll try, though. Can you define what a "GE crop" is?

First I would like to admit that my temper rose to a great level in that post, but I stand by every word I said.

GE crops are "Genetically Engineered Crops", witch means some scientists have tried to mix different types of crops with DNA/genes from other living organisms, in the try to create a "supercroop", that can withstand fungus, virus, cold, heat and other crop damaging factors.

There are several know problems with GE crops aswell as many unknow issues, due to the lack of prober tests over time. They just invent an release without concern to make a profit.

here are some of the dangers and unknown issues:

organicconsumers.org

At the 12th (1999) annual Scientific Conference of the International Federation of Organic Agriculture Movements (IFOAM), more than 600 delegates from over 60 countries voted unanimously for a declaration against the use of genetically modified organisms in food production and agriculture. The delegates called on governments and regulatory agencies throughout the world to immediately ban genetic engineering in agriculture and food production since it involves:
* Negative and irreversible environmental impacts.
* Release of organisms of an unrecallable nature.
* Removal of the right of choice, both for farmers and consumers.
* Violation of farmers' fundamental property rights and endangerment of
their economic independence.
* Practices which are incompatible with the principles of sustainable
agriculture as defined by IFOAM.
* Unacceptable threats to human health.

safe-food.org

DNA is actually not well understood. 97% of human DNA is called ³junk² because scientists do not know its function. The workings of a single cell are so complex, no one knows the whole of it. (San Diego Union-Tribune 2000) Yet the biotech companies have already planted millions of acres with genetically engineered crops, and they intend to engineer every crop in the world.

earthjustice.org

None of these biopharm crops has been approved for human or animal consumption, or even for general release into the environment. Despite 12 years of open-air field testing, not a single plant-produced biopharm drug has been approved by the FDA. Yet USDA allows these tests to be conducted in open fields, conceals the trials' locations from the public, and in most cases, refuses to disclose to the public the substances being grown.

ccof.org

There are many unanswered questions about the effects that genetic engineering could have on the health and ecology of our world once released into the environment of open field agriculture. The information below is from the published references listed at the end of this summary. New information is becoming available every day supporting the concerns expressed here.

sustainabletable.org

Some GE crops are actually classified as pesticides. The New Leaf potato, which has since been taken off grocery shelves, was genetically engineered to produce the Bt (Bacillus thuringiensis) toxin in order to kill any pests that attempted to eat it. The actual potato was designated as a pesticide and so was regulated by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), instead of the Food & Drug Administration (FDA) which regulates food. Because of this, safety testing for these potatoes was not as strict as with food, since the EPA regulations had never anticipated that people would intentionally consume pesticides as food.

So I hope I have painted the picture without any obsetting words in this post.

And I say once again: I'll resort to eating dirt myself, if GE crops are the only alternative!


[edit on 31-1-2008 by Bluess]

Yeah, well, when they get their house in order then the situation will be different. Until then, grab a chair and enjoy the show...

Read this!

reply to post by Bunch


I deployed there for "Operation Uphold Democracy." I do not care; they are human beings as well and should not have to suffer in this way! They hated us being there "DUH", but fortunately for me, I still have compassion for the human race. They should be fed!

PS: If China invades, fortunate for me, I like Chinese food; and lead paint doesn't affect me too much.......only when I try to drive! LMAO.

Originally posted by Obliv_au
well someone got pregnant 10mth ago, thats not an assumption and im not a heartless s.o.b. either, im just looking at the entire picture.

What I'm saying is, what if she was raped? And what if birth control or abortion aren't available? If food isn't available, then I'd put my money on abortion not being available.

If she was raped and had no way of saving the child from that suffering, what choice did she have?

It doesn't say that in the article, but it's always a possibility, right? Especially in a virtually lawless country like Haiti.

Originally posted by Obliv_au
if all world govt's spent more $ on better causes than wars things would get solved permanently.

I agree, but the problem is, they think that if they spend a tiny bit here and a tiny bit there in the name of "foreign aid", that excuses billions and trillions spent on wars, military, secret technology, and what ever else they spend it on that we don't know about.

They give an inch and take away a foot.

We, the people, are also to blame because we allow them to get away with it.

I guess its just my view of things. those people are the wealthiest people on earth for eating those dirt cookies!

reply to post by psychedeliack


And can you care to explain or elaborate why you think that?

Don't get me wrong I respect your opinion but I don't understand your rationale.

Just exactly why should there be any outrage?

These people bring this on themselves with their unconrolled breeding.

This is just nature at its finest culling the unfit.

This is not a one time ocurrance due to catastrophe, it happens all the time.

No one should feel obligated to feed the worlds hungry. Their hunger is their responsibility.

Suggest mass sterilization and you will see outrage.

Truy the human reasoning process is seriously retarded.

reply to post by OhZone


It's people like you that would be the first ones asking for help in times of need, yet you sit there on your computer and claim it's their fault and they shouldn't be helped.

People like you, greedy and selfish, are the reason others are suffering in the world. It has nothing to do with it being natural. When greed and selfishness rules the world, those less fortunate are the victims.

It's that kind of attitude that starts this, and it's that kind of attitude that keeps it going, because you don't give a damn.

This is why the human race is pathetic and a disgrace. Hopefully the natural process sees the error of it's ways in creating us and wipes us out.

REPLY TO NOVUS ORDO

You pretending to be omniscient.

Exactly how much are you willing to sacrifice to save the world's hungry?

The whole world could stand to be sterile for the next 20 years to put things back into balance.

Never lower yourself to think that someone else is worth more than you are.

Being the best you can be is your test in life.

Those who cannot make it are eliminated.

This strengthens the whole species - any species.

Do you have any valid reasons for preserving the weak?

REPLY TO NOVUS ORDO

You pretending to be omniscient.

Exactly how much are you willing to sacrifice to save the world's hungry?

The whole world could stand to be sterile for the next 20 years to put things back into balance.

Never lower yourself to think that someone else is worth more than you are.

Being the best you can be is your test in life.

Those who cannot make it are eliminated.

This strengthens the whole species - any species.

Do you have any valid reasons for preserving the weak?

Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
reply to post by OhZone

 

This is why the human race is pathetic and a disgrace. Hopefully the natural process sees the error of it's ways in creating us and wipes us out.

Be as brave and as upstanding as you are leading us to believe and follow your own philosophy and just top your self. Is it my fault she is hungry no, is it my responsibility ,no it is not, if you dont have the guts to kill your self then i suggest moving to haiti to help end there suffering, it is a fact of nature that people die, from various reasons, this has been happening since before you were born and will continue long after your gone!

Originally posted by OhZone
Do you have any valid reasons for preserving the weak?

Yes. They're human beings. They're living beings. That's a valid reason.

Originally posted by Pro-genetic
i suggest moving to haiti to help end there suffering

Clever. Always looking for someone else to do it, when you don't have the courage, the will, or the heart to help out yourself.

Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
This is why the human race is pathetic and a disgrace. Hopefully the natural process sees the error of it's ways in creating us and wipes us out.

You are disgusting.

Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
Clever. Always looking for someone else to do it, when you don't have the courage, the will, or the heart to help out yourself.

i have the courage to stand up and say i dont care either way, i dont care if you do or not,i have the will to resist the bleeding heart liberals who do nothing but whine but when it comes down to it they wont go there themselves and help, it is you who expects someone else to do it not me!

Originally posted by NovusOrdoMundi
Yes. They're human beings. They're living beings. That's a valid reason.

if you have eaten anything(including meat or vegtables) your point is not valid

[edit on 31-1-2008 by Pro-genetic]

reply to post by Pro-genetic


Yeah because you have to be liberal to care about other people. Everything always boils down to politics, right?

Just pathetic. :shk:

reply to post by NovusOrdoMundi


no you dont have to be liberal, that was a generalisation, my mistake, but it made the point i was getting across, and it is you who is pathetic, you say you care and yet you do nothing!

reply to post by Pro-genetic


I'm helpless to do anything. Does that mean I shouldn't care?

I don't have any resources to help. I don't have the money to help. I'm not rich. I'm not the leader of a country.

In your mind, does that mean I shouldn't care? Simply because I don't have the resources to help, that means I don't want to help?

I want to help and would help if I could. That's the difference between you and I.

reply to post by NovusOrdoMundi


Excuses, why do you need money to help?why cant you go down there and educate or do something! Full of excuses, thats all you are!

reply to post by Pro-genetic


How will I get down there?

What tools will I use to educate?

How will I obtain the qualification to educate?

What if all of them don't speak English? Will I have to hire a translator?

How will I obtain their trust? Give them food, water, and clothing? Where will I get that from?

That's why I need money.

You've already made it clear you don't care about others, so you're really just grasping at straws here to counter everything I say.

[edit on 1/31/08 by NovusOrdoMundi]