Why arent you someone famous or Rich?

First, if I were rich or famous I would not be as well-known or made public as I would rather keep life low-key. There is always a price for being either rich or famous, such as loss of privacy – paparazzi blinding with their cameras, groupies wanting autographs or some keepsake, solicitors offering unwanted spams, drugs and alcohol of any kind, friends coming and going for good times and free rides, etc.


Second, I believe some of wealthiest are TPTB (by bloodline) and of course this bunch seems to control the current monetary system, nay, the whole world by riding on the backs of hard working folks, who seem to never rise above middle-class status but most stay on the lower rung of the ladder to success. Those associated one way or another with the wealthiest are initiated into ‘secret societies’ too (or so I’ve read somewhere).


Third, this is one in which rings true to me and that is karma, a fate predestined by the doing of good in past lives leading to comfortable living in the present and/or future lives. There is some sort of balancing act going on – whoever is kind and compassionate to those who had loss all hope, has not stolen property, nor strayed from the path of righteousness in one life will ultimately be rewarded in other lives.

Originally posted by Maya432
what is the difference between rich and wealthy.?
rich = mabey 10 million to 500 million
wealthy= mabey 500 million to 200 billion or more.

Nobody has more than 200 billion dollars. Not even close.

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Originally posted by dgtempe
How do you know im not rich or famous? Rich and famous people come to the Internet also and they too are in search of the truth. Even rehab has a room with Internet access.

Don't you know that four out of five ATS members are psychic? Come on Dgtempe, we all know EXACTLY who you are, but we are just being too cool to let on. So quit messing with us.

And if you think we are impressed by your fame and fortune, well -- ah -- you may be right about that.

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And as for DogHead (or should I say MS. SPEARS?) You don't fool us a bit! We can all remote view you with no problem, whenever we want to! So get off your high horse!

(To my other high psychic friends, sorry about revealing this, but I am tired of being messed with, and just want this on the table for once. I am sure you will agree, in this one case....)

The line between rich and poor can be altered thrue politics.

Of course people born with money, have more money to spend, but that doesnt mean the will be succesfull in anyway in life!

You intelligence doesnt get affected with money...
How you do in school doesnt depend on money...
How well you do in your education doesnt depend on money...
Your talents doesnt grow proporsional with the amount of money you have...

however...politics, is the main factor in how much education, healthcare and other important factors in life, will be available to the poor, aswell as the rich.

In Denmark, this is financed by the government thrue our taxmoney.

everybody, poor or rich can and must go to school free of charge, and so it is.

When going to college or acting schools or whatever education you choose, the students get "S.U". Witch translated, is "government educational support". This is around 3600 Dkr (around 700$) maximum pr. month, paid to students for taking an education.
The size of "S.U", is depending on your parents income. the more your parents earn the less the student can get. You can get "S.U" for 5 years.

In our system, your education does not depend on financial means, so the poor can be just as well educated as the rich.

If you are 18 years or older, and cannot find a job and don't want to take an education, you get "social wellfare" witch is around 8000 Dkr (around 1500 $) pr. month.
This is provided to you aslong as you look for a job, and attain the courses or jobs provided to you from our "jobcenters".
This is also financed by tax, to make sure noone goes down, if they loose or cannot find a job. we call it the "social safetynet".

Our healthcare system is free to use for any danish people aswell, and are also financed by tax.
So even the very poor will get treated just as good as the very rich.

Also all our libraries are free to use, anyone can lend books, games, videos, music and so forth for free.
So if you want knowledge, education or entertainment, you just have to go to the libraries.

People outsite of Denmark cannot believe we want to pay 40 - 60% tax!!!

But this "high" tax, is the very reason, why all people are more equal here and noone ever has to think of how to, finance education, healthcare, retirement and other issues.

We are helping eachother instead of living only as individuals!.

Ofcourse I wanna help my fellow countrymen, so that all people are equal, nomatter how poor your parents where, or how sick you become, or if you loose or cannot find a job.

This is the true power of social politics! looking out for eachother!

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Bloodlines aren't a prerequisite for fame and/or fortune, and you can have one without the other.

Being rich can make life easier, there's no doubt about that. It can also tempt one to corruption and serious moral hazards that are not so easily available to those with lesser means, nor so easily rectified. Those susceptible to temptation towards corruption or self-destructive behavior can ride riches to a living hell.

IMO, being famous is not as great as it's cracked up to be. I've experienced some fame and had the choice to experience a lot more. I quickly learned to avoid it for a number of reasons, in spite of the occasional weakness-inspired temptation for the empty approval it can bring.

Ever lived in a small town where everyone knows everyone? Imagine that everyone knows you, at least they think they do, but not the other way around. In fact, imagine the case where you should know someone and forgot their name. When you're famous, otherwise forgiving people tend to chalk that up to arrogance and self-centeredness, even if it was an honest and otherwise forgivable mistake.

Imagine everyone has an opinion about what you should and shouldn't be doing and that many of them are happy to let you know at the strangest times, just because they recognize you. Imagine wanting your children to grow up with compassion and a sense of brotherhood with all people but being forced to make a decision between spoiling them with first class travel and acommodations everywhere or worrying about their safety because they will be recognized by most, as long as they're with you.

Fortune doesn't create these issues, but it may tempt you into quite a few traps that you will regret after learning the consequences.

Fame can create problems in and of itself.

Edit: One thing I forgot to mention. The more you have both fame and fortune, or are known for having fortune, the harder it becomes to recognize true or new friendship. Most people would be amazed at how hard it is to tell the difference between people who know and care about you as a person and people who act very similarly but are motivated by other reasons.


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The rich and famous are humans just like you and me. I think you should make reference because there are 2 types of rich there is the old money and the new money. I think you are refering to the old money. Like why wasnt I born a Rockefeller or whatever. In my experience the old money people are nicer than the new money people Im not sure why but my guess is the old money people are not as insecure about there wealth status as is some of the new money people. Me I happen to be quite well off but Im not famous and Im the most down to earth person youll ever know. hell just look at my other posts. And thought Id mention I grew up dirt poor in fact my mother didnt have a car almost all her adult life till I bought her one.

We are who we are. Even if you do not like what you have been presented with. you have to except certain details in your life. Only you have the power to change the world you live in. Who says you cannot become famous or rich? The only thing standing in YOUR way would be?...you.

Fame is hugely overrated IMO. Those who seek it are just trying to make up for lack of love from Mummy or Daddy. If it comes form doing something well then so be it. As en end in itself it's a pathology.

Money has its uses but power is the big one.

If anyone thinks there is no blood line influence they must live in the US. In the UK you're pretty much sorted if your parents can get you into Eton. There you network with all the right people and end up in a position of influence even if you're a complete tit and incapable of doing a proper job.

Despite a century of socialism in the UK, there is still a ruling elite. It runs the Civil Service and the Courts and pretty much does what it likes, regardless of the elected government.

Sometimes it is the adversity in our lives that make us who we are. That which dosnt kill me only makes me stronger. I was born with nothing and stuggled all my life to have what little I have. Everytime I turn around it seems like life just throws more crap at me just to see if I can handle it. I am still here. Am I rich? No way. Is life a struggle? You bet. Am I happy? Completely, and thats all that matters.

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Because I &*(^(&*(* off in school genius

But luckily I was in my last life. I think we might get put into different situations through out the span of earth just to see what we will do.

Fame? No thanks. As for riches. I like to think that I am rich. Not with money, but rich in spirit.

I've been famous and I've had loads of money. I got to say its wasn't all that great. I really hated being famous. Its been almost 17 years and finally I can walk down the street and know one knows my name. I don't have the money anymore so all my friends are really my friends.

I like to think of that time as a life lesson. I found out that being famous really sucks, and that having a lot of money is not all that great either.

Now I get to learn a new life lesson. It seems that I am to old to be young and to young to be old.

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Now I get to learn a new life lesson. It seems that I am to old to be young and to young to be old.

Yeah, that's a funny one ! I finally came to the conclusion that your ability to be young is internal, and since we are all the people we ever were, but hopefully wiser for it, I no longer care what others think of me. I seem to have been stuck in that limbo for a long time now.

Little related story... just the other day, I was at a business dinner with a number of people, including an older person who probably thought I was very young. Never got cooperation from him that I would have expected, but didn't exactly need it yet, so I never worried much about it. Great dinner and we all exchanged stories. After a little anecdote, he made the comment "Wow! you must really be older than you look!" After the dinner he said he'd follow up on some key areas and suggested that our next meeting be on his yacht. He seems like a nice guy, but I guess age is a qualifying issue for him. Evidently, I "made the bar" when he realized he had underestimated my age.

Of course, when I've jumped on a skateboard and done the "old-man" tricks before, it's kind of worked in reverse

I figure people's reactions say more about their preconceptions than about me, and I love being a kid with my kids.

There are some really good posts on this thread that point out that money does not equal happiness. If you look around you, you can clearly see that. You can BE rich and happy, or you can be poor and happy. Or miserable and either. Poor is also relative and many people who are considered "poor" here in the industrialized world would be rich in a village somewhere in the third world.

I believe that all states of Being are just opportunites to learn a lesson. The primary lesson being "know thy Self," where thy "Self" is that bit of you that is Divine. Not to be confused with "know thy self" where self with a lower case s is the habitual or conditioned mind, or persona, ego.

To answer specifically "why is ________ rich?" with the _______ representing some one specifc person, one would have to know the details of that persons life. Some people are rich to learn that material security does not bring happiness, security, and peace of mind. Some are rich because they need to learn that "other" is illusory. Some are rich because they have mastered these lessons and have the ability to draw the material things needed to move through the world and fulfill their lifes purpose of working for the benefit of the whole in a big way. The same can be done for the poor. Some are poor because they confuse money itself with evil, and reject it and the having of it. Some are poor because they have lessons to learn about the use and abuse of power. Some are poor because their path calls for quiet introspection without the burden of responsibility that comes from a more materialistic lifestyle. There is no one answer to the "why" of someones life unless you get to the Ultimate answer, which applies to all of us. "Because they dont know who and what they are."

If you hear the circumstances of someone's life, it is often not too very hard to discern their lifes lesson. Or to be more precise, the chapter of their lifes lesson that they are currently on.

One thing I have learned, and I have had contact with people of all walks of life except the very wealthiest, Rockefeller wealthy, Oprah and Bill Gates wealthy, is that you absolutely cannot tell a thing about the quality of someones happiness by the external circumstances they happen to be in.

Money is not the root of all evil, the LOVE of money is, where the word "Love" is used as it commonly is as a substitute for the word "Desire." Seeking money and desiring it for its own sake, to fill some emptiness inside, or to soothe some fear that you will be "without" is an "evil" not because some external God hates rich people. The envious poor may hope that is the case, but it is not. Desiring money is an "evil" because it means that you do not Love (where the word Love means unconditional acceptance of What Is or All that IS. Non-acceptance of What Is creates negative feelings and experience for the person who doesnt Accept, and it causes them to act out in ways that harm "others." Of course the same can be said of most any kind of "seeker" including Spiritual seekers. If you have not the ability to Accept "what is" in your life in whatever moment you happen to be in, you are not happy. Regardless what it is that you are judging as inadequate and rejecting. (your looks, your wealth, your spouse, your job. etc.)

Originally posted by lifestudent
I figure people's reactions say more about their preconceptions than about me, and I love being a kid with my kids.

I think the big difference in how it is percieved is "child-like" vs "child-ish." There are people who no matter how old retain some of the natural wonder and awe of the world that a child has, and they play and they have fun un-self-consciously. With no regard for how they are percieved as a "self" or a "persona." That is "child-like," and those people live in a "heaven on earth," as their experience of life is joyful, and playful. It is spontaneous, and uncontrived, and the innocence flows from the inside out.

Then there are those who are so preoccupied with the appearance of their "persona" that they ACT like they are younger than they are. Wearing clothes that do not suit them but they associate with a younger age, doing things associated with a younger crowd, not because the things they are wearing and doing bring them joy inherently, but because those things contribute to the appearence of youth and they reject "aging" and desire to remain "special and different" by remaining young. This is contrived and "self" conscious, and it betrays preoccupation with the image or ego. Which is anything BUT child-like. This is "child-ish" and these people are ever calculating how to have that which they do not, or how to hold on to that which it theirs now. This is much less joyful and playful. It is more fearful.

I want it all, and i am having it all, its that simple, and as for the money yes please, let it attract and manifest its way to me n even greater detail. A charity i am not, a nice human being, i believe so, yes give me the luxury, and all the trimmings, infact i do have alot, and am very happy with this, but remember some people like to back pack, some enjoy hostels, but me, i am ur 5 star plus one all the way amigos. Come on all lets be honest with each other, and agree, where would we be without money, answers on a postcard, via my island hideaway in the bahamas, pls. Just put to dno on it and it will arrive, oh and as we all love money so much a few donations would be fine, but pls no usd have enough of them already..

Originally posted by mybigunit
In my experience the old money people are nicer than the new money people Im not sure why but my guess is the old money people are not as insecure about there wealth status as is some of the new money people.

I have noticed exactly the same thing. I think you are right, that it relates to not having been raised in the "fear of not having enough." Although I am willing to bet some of the founders of this old wealth were as unpleasant to deal with as some of todays current "new rich." I dont think many people set out to accumulate a fortune unless they already have some characters traits that are undesirable. I think some people accumulate a fortune because what they add to the world simply merits a big paycheck, but a lot of fortunes are "stolen" in that unethical acts are performed and no real value is added in the extraction of wealth from the whole.

You dont coerce a government into giving you the rights to RAINWATER, by being a "nice guy" and doing what is in the benefit of the whole.

From the movie "The Corporation;" (as posted on iMDB)

Narrator: The prospect that two thirds of the world's population will have no access to fresh drinking water by 2025, has provoked the initial confrontations in a world-wide battle for control over the planet's most basic resource. When Bolivia sought to refinance the public water services of its third largest city, the World Bank required that it be privatised, which is how the Bechtel Corporation of San Francisco gained control over all Cochabamba's water, even that which fell from the sky.
Oscar Olivera: All these laws and contracts also prohibited people from gathering rainwater. So rainwater was also privatised. Unpaid bills gave the company rights to repossess debtors' homes and to auction them off. People had to make choices: from eating less and paying for water and basic services, to not sending their children to school, or not going to the hospital and treating illnesses at home; or, in the case of retired people who have very low incomes, they had to go out and work on the streets.

Can you guys who were and/or are famous let us regular guys know who you are? Maybe even just a u2u? Im curious as to who we are interacting with around here.

I think the economic system/paper currency was designed to keep the populace at large under the control the goverment. Money is just a number or piece of paper it really has no value at all. If we were to stop using banks and money and go back to the barting system, the people in power would no longer have any power. Only people with acuall skills would have some control.

Regards,
Trustnobody

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the buddhists would tell you that we reincarnate due to our part karma... how you came about in this life, is a reflection of what you deserve from your last life...

also, my father's father was as poor as you can be, but my father is working 3 jobs, still in college and raking in TONS of money, and i have NO money whatever... same exactly story with my mother's family, so the bloodline theory doesn't compute with my family at least

There is a lot of luck involved in being successful in any endeavor.



To me, that is obvious. I know a lot of incredibly talented thinkers, actors, and writers. But they are unable to penetrate the inner circle of the rich and famous. The best musicians in the world never get a chance to be heard. The best ideas fall on the floor.

Very sad and very, VERY true.

I am glad to report, however, that being "unaware" of one's luck is not a given and it is not inevitable.
In my family, most - or at least the most influential - of its members were always counting their blessings, including "luck".
And I know I was certainly always aware of - AND grateful for - my luck.

Which is actually bad news - at least for me it is...
Because now, when I am at a point which I never knew existed - the reverse of luck, if you will (no, it's not "bad" luck, it's much worse than that) - the thought of my previous happiness and luck is too heartbreaking to bear.







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