India’s Might On Display! Defense Forces Second To None!!

Reply to mikesingh

And let’s get one thing straight. The days of conventional warfare are almost over. It is either a nuclear scenario that one has to contend with, the probability of which is next to zilch, or counter insurgency/guerilla warfare.

Yup you are very right there!

But ‘peaceful’ nations can’t commit genocide and wipe out a whole country just to kill a few terrorists.
And counter insurgency/guerrilla warfare can even bring Super Powers down as we have noticed during the Soviet/Afghan war.

Now to put things in proper perspective, the Indian army has 50 years of experience of Counter Insurgency operations and Low Intensity Conflicts (LICO) in the Jungles of the North East as well as the Kashmir Valley.

Yes you are right there again! The Indian army definitely has the most experience fighting insurgents.
Indian army has lost a lot of soldiers in those jungles. The mujahideens bait them into the jungles and than surround them from on top of the trees. Many Indian commandos have died that way.


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Indians have a long and proud fighting tradition and have conducted themselves with great honour and bravery in various conflicts.
The service they provided in the past to The British Empire deserves greater recognition and in the event of any conventional war in their local geographical area, I am certain that they could defend their borders, at the very least.

Relationships between India and her neighbours remain lukewarm at best and it seems only a matter of time before further conflict breaks out.
India continues to face constant provocation from Pakistani based terrorists and repeatedly accuses the Pakistani government of harbouring and even training these terrorists.

Unfortunately, any future military confrontation between India and its neighbours could quite easily escalate into a worldwide situation in which case India's conventional forces would probably become irrelevant.

Reply to Freeborn

India continues to face constant provocation from Pakistani based terrorists and repeatedly accuses the Pakistani government of harbouring and even training these terrorists.

How are they terrorists? They are trained and equipped by the Pakistani army to go and fight in Kashmir to repel Indian forces.

Unfortunately, any future military confrontation between India and its neighbours could quite easily escalate into a worldwide situation in which case India's conventional forces would probably become irrelevant.

Also keeping China in mind which has very close relations with Pakistan. Any US/Israeli presence will certainly make it Furious if it escalates into a ‘worldwide situation’.
Pakistan is also equipped with Nukes.


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Originally posted by kangjia57
How are they terrorists? They are trained and equipped by the Pakistani army to go and fight in Kashmir to repel Indian forces.

Terrorists trained and equipped by the Pakstan Army/ISI and pushed into Kashmir to fight Indian Forces?? Well, of course!! War by proxy, huh? It's better the terrorists are made cannon fodder for the Indians instead of the Pakistani army themselves, what?!! Only cowards do that!

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Keep it up mikesingh. Most informative. Hey weren't you party of the chit-chat military? Thanks to neformore for putting some GD clothes on that avatar!. Pot kettle black. Times change. LOL. mikesingh, do you think you might possibly have a teeny-tiny bit of nationalistic bias?

Second to none? Maybe in empty-boasting and walking loudy and carrying a Yankee-colonialist-wannabe client state stick. Hey, just like the US. Er... wait where's the call centre?

Vic

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reply to post by kangjia57


kangjia, I'm not going to debate the Kashmiri situation or the definition of terrorism here, start other threads on them and I'll willingly contribute.

I understand this thread to be about the strength of the Indian Military Forces.
As such it is fair to say that the Indian Armed Forces are very well trained, professional and more than capable of holding their own in any conventional military confrontation.

It is also fair to say that India contributes to peace keeping forces around the world and as such is trying to take a positive role in world affairs.

The consequences of any future armed conflict in the sub-continent arena could be dire for all of us and render the limited nuclear capabilities of both India and Pakistan irrelevant if the real "super powers" get involved.

Of course this could all change if conflict is avoided and India continues to develop at the rate it is and Pakistan continues its descent towards fundamentalism.

One can only hope that India also addresses the obscene levels of poverty that are so apparent there.

[Edit: My spelling is getting worse!]

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Reply to mikesingh

Terrorists trained and equipped by the Pakstan Army/ISI and pushed into Kashmir to fight Indian Forces?? Well, of course!! War by proxy, huh? It's better the terrorists are made cannon fodder for the Indians instead of the Pakistani army themselves, what?!! Only cowards do that!

The mujahideens are specially trained. They are not normal like Pakistani soldiers. These people come from Northern areas of Pakistan who have held weapons since childhood and played the mountains. They know and can fight in that sort of terrain. They can last for months just with very few basics and only need constant supply of weapons from Pak army.
That’s why a dozen of them can take on a few hundred Indian soldiers. Tanks,helicopters,jets are very ineffective in those areas. Artillery bombardment is like watching fireworks for them.


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IMHO, today's wars are not fought in numbers, but in advance weaponries that your enemy doesn't know about.

Take a look at Nagasaki and Hiroshima. The secret weapon is the atom bomb. All it needs is a bomber and a crew and everything is history.

Originally posted by kangjia57
Reply to IAF101

4000 US soldiers dead and another 500,000 Iraqis dead, two islamic nations taken from the grips of Islamists savagery

Yes 500,000 civilians dead. Well done, the US has provided Real democracy for both nations.

Well more real that what Pakistan has ever had or for that matter any islamic country has ever had. Even Mohammad was a dictator, so I cant expect any better from his followers.

Karzai is still crying because he knows once the coalition troops leave. The Taliban will take over within no time.

Who said anything about leaving? We there to drive out islamists from those lands. Thats why the afghans support their new government more because they know that rights and liberty are more important than some medieval dogma born in the desert of ignorance .

Originally posted by kangjia57
For example:Somalia Mogadishu,if it wasn’t for the Pakistani peace keepers to come and save the US soldiers, they all woulda been slaughtered alive.

LOL all the pakis did was drive the trucks! That is NOT 'saving'. They didnt have the courage for any real fighting, so they were delegated to logistics. They cant even fight the tribal savages holed up in their mountains, forget about helping American soldiers.

Originally posted by amitheone
IMHO, today's wars are not fought in numbers, but in advance weaponries that your enemy doesn't know about.

Take a look at Nagasaki and Hiroshima. The secret weapon is the atom bomb. All it needs is a bomber and a crew and everything is history.

A very naive interpretation of war indeed. Nagasaki and hiroshima bombs were just an impetus but not the deciding factor. The real victory was won by the US military soldiers who fought to grab every single inch of land from the japanese. The bloody battles of Okinawa, midway, Guadalcanal etc. They won the war. Not the atomic bombs.

Originally posted by kangjia57

The mujahideens are specially trained. They are not normal like Pakistani soldiers. These people come from Northern areas of Pakistan who have held weapons since childhood and played the mountains. They know and can fight in that sort of terrain. They can last for months just with very few basics and only need constant supply of weapons from Pak army.
That’s why a dozen of them can take on a few hundred Indian soldiers. Tanks,helicopters,jets are very ineffective in those areas. Artillery bombardment is like watching fireworks for them.

Stop dreaming.
The death toll points exactly opposite to your propaganda. The Indian soldiers have lost fewer that the militants killed. The ratio is pretty highly skewed towards the Indian forces. And just because you grow up in poverty raising sheep and being brainwashed doesnt make you a good fighter. That is just a wet dream of an Islamist. Thats why all your allahudin mujahideen are cut down like shooting fish in a barrel everywhere from Palestine to Iraq to Kashmir. Dont kid yourself otherwise. These fools only end up as yet more decomposing bodies on the side of the road, you gain nothing.
As for their "hardiness", yeah we saw that in Tora Bora were the USMC anihilated entire tribes at a time and killed the rest of those cowards who decided to hide in the caves.

Apparently there is a delusion by the Islamists that their cowardice is indeed bravery, is that an Islamist trait, like when Mohammed had to flee mecca they portray it as bravery ? :shk:

Originally posted by daniel_g

Originally posted by IAF101
This whole parade thing is what countries that are influenced or supported the Soviet Union do.

That's not entirely true.
Military Parades are also a tradition in many Latin American countries - traditions that date back to their respective indepence days.

A lot of these latin american countries had a lot of bolshevick influences especially revolutionary mexico and thus similar practices. They might not have been pro soviet union but they did have communists in mexico since the beginning.

ok..because you wrote to #ing much, mikesingh. i had a nice reply i was working on and it accidently got deleted..keep it short sweet and to the point next time, or i will not bother reading it.



As far as technology goes, and individual soldiers..Try the Future force warrior of 2020 in your google tool bar. Technology can actually improve a soldier. And by 2020, the US military will be sporting exoskeletons, advanced nano body armor along with advanced sensors that give the soldier an all around view of the battlefield, these soldiers will also be networked to the rest of the entire military, all apart of the pentagons view on what the US military will be. An incredibly high tech, centralized force that works and moves as a massive force. By 2015 2/3 of the Us military will be robotic.



Imagine soldiers strong enough to rip car doors from their hinges? able to leap a fence that is 12 feet high, able to have strong enough body armer that it repels the bullets, able to run in an excess of 40+ mph? Thats what the FFW will do for the US war fighter.

And ofcourse there is FCS (future combat systems) that we have to look forward to, this is where the US will be better fitted to fight in urban environments. It is a few odd HUNDRED BILLION DOLLAR transformation of the US military. You said the US is not designed to fight terrorism, to a degree you are right, however that is because the current US forces were designed to confront the soviet military in europe and russia. The doctrine however is changing, and its all thanks to technological prowess that the US enjoys.


FCS link.
www.army.mil...

As one US general put it, the FCS is open ended. Meaning it will constantly see upgrades.

Again, my DARPA video Ive already posted here. It is an awesome video, watch all 20 minutes of it. Pretty cool yet scary things the US is planning to do. By 2025 the US airforce wants to control the weather. It talks all about that in the video Im about to post. It also talks about the centralized force the US is aiming for. India and russias militarys will be obsolete by then, when compared to the highly advanced american forces. The 2020s should be very interesting!

video.google.com...

Be sure to read the quotes from pentagon and DARPA sources in the video.

More later! But remember, we’re all in it together against a common enemy – Terrorism!!

I agree, and i think india is bound for greatness someday, afterall it is a democracy. I wouldnt mind seeing india and the US ties grow closer then they already have..

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Reply to IAF101

LOL all the pakis did was drive the trucks! That is NOT 'saving'. They didnt have the courage for any real fighting, so they were delegated to logistics. They cant even fight the tribal savages holed up in their mountains, forget about helping American soldiers.

Yeh why did the US soldiers beg Pakistanis troops for help if they were so brave?
If it wasn’t for them the Somalis would have literally chopped the US soldiers up and hung the remains in the market or fed em to local hungry dogs. Understand?
Even poor people like Somalis banged out US hard.

Stop dreaming.

The death toll points exactly opposite to your propaganda. The Indian soldiers have lost fewer that the militants killed. The ratio is pretty highly skewed towards the Indian forces. And just because you grow up in poverty raising sheep and being brainwashed doesnt make you a good fighter. That is just a wet dream of an Islamist. Thats why all your allahudin mujahideen are cut down like shooting fish in a barrel everywhere from Palestine to Iraq to Kashmir. Dont kid yourself otherwise. These fools only end up as yet more decomposing bodies on the side of the road, you gain nothing.
As for their "hardiness", yeah we saw that in Tora Bora were the USMC anihilated entire tribes at a time and killed the rest of those cowards who decided to hide in the caves.

Hahaha raising sheep and getting brainwashed?

Well lets see what these shepherds can do.

I wonder how are the the US bodies sent back home. Do they put bits of toasted tank in the coffins?

Apparently there is a delusion by the Islamists that their cowardice is indeed bravery, is that an Islamist trait, like when Mohammed had to flee mecca they portray it as bravery ?

If Mohammad (peace be upon him) fled Mecca than why is Mecca in Muslim hands today?


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