Defunct Spy Satellite Falling From Orbit

What if this is a cover up in order to shoot down a UFO and thus having an axcuse to explain why they shoot it down.

reply to post by damajikninja

There is no story that I have found saying that L-21 has burned up as of today.
It may be they were mistaken in their estimates as to when it would burn up. The Military don't make mistakes though.

Guz

Reading this thread brought back memories of the movie " SPACE COWBOYS" with Clint Eastwood & Tommy Lee Jones.

What a great movie and it brings to thought of the ultimate conspiracy taking place that gets out of control.

Is this falling sat the real life happenings or what, makes you think, dont it.

www.challengingdestiny.com...

Lets hope it lands in the ocean, right, gwhint

This has my interest. To not know exactly where it will come down isn't unexpected if it's lost inertial and thuster stability. It'll just tumble in when it picks up enough friction.

The fact that it's classified does pique my interest... if it's 20,000lbs and chock full of Ti and Be and hypergolics I can understand the concern... that there may be an unannouced nuke power source would not surprise me if it is a truly classified deal. That could be bad. Ti structures survive re-entry in some cases... breathing Be fumes is "not so good" and the fuels used in thrusters are really nasty.

DARPA has a robot servicing system they tried earlier last year but I doubt this has much to do with fuel... but servicing satellites robotically is fascinating. Great thread.

Front line damaj' as always

Vic

[edit on 26-1-2008 by V Kaminski]

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As a movie i find it more reminiscent of the recent Cloverfield. I won't spoil it to explain why, but it's a more like a thrill ride at an amusement park than a movie per se. Sorry if it sounds OT, but it's actually not

[edit on 26-1-2008 by Shar_Chi]

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I was thinking the same thing.
If anything it could be used for any issues dealing with something falling from the sky.

My question is why they ARE telling it to the public now.
If they could fix it - they would wait for shuttle mission and tell us
only if it fails.
If they can't fix it- why there is a month window for a crash?
It's not too complicated to calculate an orbit taken that you know where it was.
Also it must have some propulsion capability, they do not say that
something hit it, so why it left it's orbit in the first place?

This seems like a non-issue compared to what's fallen already:

Pike, director of the defense research group GlobalSecurity.org, estimated that the spacecraft weighs about 20,000 pounds and is the size of a small bus. He said the satellite would create 10 times less debris than the Columbia space shuttle crash in 2003.

The largest uncontrolled re-entry by a NASA spacecraft was Skylab, the 78-ton abandoned space station that fell from orbit in 1979. Its debris dropped harmlessly into the Indian Ocean and across a remote section of western Australia.

In 2000, NASA engineers successfully directed a safe de-orbit of the 17-ton Compton Gamma Ray Observatory, using rockets aboard the satellite to bring it down in a remote part of the Pacific Ocean.

In 2002, officials believe debris from a 7,000-pound science satellite smacked into the Earth's atmosphere and rained down over the Persian Gulf, a few thousand miles from where they first predicted it would plummet.

www.nytimes.com...


[edit on 26-1-2008 by anhinga]

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
My question is why they ARE telling it to the public now.
If they could fix it - they would wait for shuttle mission and tell us
only if it fails.
If they can't fix it- why there is a month window for a crash?
It's not too complicated to calculate an orbit taken that you know where it was.
Also it must have some propulsion capability, they do not say that
something hit it, so why it left it's orbit in the first place?

They're telling the public so that a sudden bright streak across the sky doesn't cause a sudden logjam of UFO / Scalar Weapons / Assorted Bad Science of the Month calls to every Air Force base, government office, and conspiracy board in the world :-D.

The reason for the month long window on reentry is simple. The upper edges of the Earth's atmosphere aren't defined by razor-sharp boundaries. There are rises and dips up there that cause unpredictable amounts of friction if an object's orbit is low enough. That's why NASA couldn't give a definite time / place for the Skylab impact...they could analyze the friction losses on each orbit, and generate a sheaf of probable impact areas, but not a specific target. Same thing here. They can analyze the satellite's behavior and make some informed projections, but given its lack of control, the precise point of impact is totally under the influence of a random process.

The satellite might have (in fact, probably does have) some form of thruster system for attitude control and / or orbital adjustment. If it's out of fuel, that doesn't help in the least. If it's totally lost power (and therefore, the ability to communicate with ground control) it could have a full load of fuel, but be unable to receive the command to light the thrusters.

They don't say that something hit it....which doesn't rule out an impact. Heaven knows there are enough bits of crap up there to make that a possibility. It's not, however, the only possibility. Upper-atmosphere drag could cause it to decelerate out of orbit (See also: Skylab), as could (over time) the 'solar sail' effect on any solar panels the satellite has.

does anyone have proof that this sattelite actually exists. Could it be dis info for the TU thing?

If it does exist we wont know till it falls, thats the scary thing, and if it does why has such a secret been leaked to the media.

Smells of "if we cant stop it, at least we mentioned it" BS.


This worries me slightly

The Air Force I'm sure has a air to air missile for the F-15 that could do the job. I know an F-14 with the Phoenix missile could blow it to bits. I'm sure they have one or two left that can fly. The navy can blast it to dust if they have some ships in the area. The Anti-ballistic missile systems would do the job however that would break it up into smaller pieces that may not do the job good enough.

From January 1984 to September 1986, an F-15A was used as a launch platform for five ASM-135 anti-satellite (ASAT) missiles. The F-15A went into a Mach 1.22, 3.8 g climb of 65° and released the ASAT missile at an altitude of 38,100 feet (11.6 km). The F-15A computer was updated to control the zoom-climb and missile release. The third test flight involved a retired communications satellite in a 345 statute mile (555 km) orbit, which was successfully destroyed by sheer kinetic energy. The pilot, USAF Major Wilbert D. "Doug" Pearson, became the only pilot to destroy a satellite.[31][32]

The ASAT missile was designed to be a standoff anti-satellite weapon, with the F-15A acting as a first stage. The Soviet Union could interpret a U.S. rocket launch with a spy satellite loss, but an F-15 carrying an ASAT would blend in among hundreds of F-15 flights.

en.wikipedia.org...

Why is this satellite toxic?

No one's saying if it's equipped with nuclear weapons or whatever on it.

I don't trust the gov't anymore and I don't think they're really letting on how dangerous the debris of this one is going to be.

Are there any satellite specialists here who know about this one and why it was up there?


-- Oh, it sounds like we've got quite a few members here who know what they're talking about... thanks for the information. lol, feel better now.. I think.

[edit on 26-1-2008 by Palasheea]

There will be Be (beryllium) parts. Fumes from Be are toxic. If a hypergolic fuel tank survived re-entry (unlikely) they are filled with very nasty chemicals (like the shuttle's little thrusters). If it has a small nuclear battery? Or a large one? Also not great. I'd love to know what series of satellite it really is.

Vic

[edit on 26-1-2008 by V Kaminski]

Originally posted by V Kaminski
There will Be (beryllium) parts. Fumes from Be are toxic. If a hypergolic fuel tank survived re-entry (unlikely) they are filled with very nasty chemicals (like the shuttle's little thrusters). If it has a small nuclear battery? Or a large one? Also not great. I'd love to know what series of satellite it really is.

Vic

Thanks Vic1

Lol, still not sure if I really WANT to know how dangerous this one will be. So far... it's sounding REAL dangerous! Yikes!
Hope it lands in the ocean somewhere... or whatever parts that are left of it.

While it's likely that there's a nuke aboard to power the thing, maybe they're claiming it's hazardous just so people won't approach it when it does land. I mean, it's a spy satellite. They're not going to want anyone to see it close enough to figure it out or get anything out of it.

Could they be using this as cover for if the asteroid did impact? I know its a long shot but with all the cover ups these days anything seems possible.

No, it's actually a clever idea.
I don't think it's very likely, either - but it's definitely a clever idea.




[edit on 26-1-2008 by Vanitas]

Let's assume it falls to Earth and strikes land. A team would be dispatched to contain whatever debris/sensitive/hazardous materials that could be spread a considerable distance... somewhere on this planet. That could be fun. I bet "they" have folks just for that... I would.

Wanna see what it might look like? Coming down? This is Mir de-orbiting Mir was 197 tons. This one is 10 tons and more like the size of one Mir module. They say the size of a small bus/van. Likely cylindrical-ish... maybe a hex or faceted. At 220 miles altitude it could be visible with the naked eye possibly. Doesn't sound like the squarish batwinged Boeing sats anyway. I wonder how much one of these classified units costs per pound?

Hey I wonder if they'll put the ground track online as it de-orbits for public safety?

Vic

These arent just "asteroids" there is intelligence behind them, sent by our creator to break the force field around earth and mars. Those who are scared of the impacts on a physical level need not to be, physical vessels die but not out spirits. This needs to happen to break the programming and suffering on all beings of the true light trapped in this physical existance which is a creation of darkness.

If you have noticed already, the night sky is clear and brighter then EVER BEFORE! go outside and look at the moon for yourself, the NET put up by the reptilians is going haywire, its breaking down. Thanks to the asteroids the VIEL on earth is coming DOWN! thank you ONE our creator!!

The programming is breaking down, thats why the satillite went down, this is why we are seeing the money system go down, soon we will see thier faces clearly on the tv news programs, they will no longer hide behind a mask. The aliens are agents of darkness, very very cunning. Do not go underground or go up into thier UFOS, its a trap.....they will kidnapp us and use us as live stock.

All incoming objects is from our creator to rescue us from this prison box. Do not fall for the reptilian propaganda. They want us to fight against our own allies when in truth they have come here to save us from this hell hole.

Star and a flag for you!
I was reading this on the news at lunch, and was wondering if it had been posted up here... how time flies.....or orbits


Seems kinda strange to me that this was announced within the last 24 hours, considering the activity that people have been seeing in the skies as of late. Not to worry though.... a simple spy sat with all kinds of sophisticated equipment could fetch a pretty penny on ebay so I'm sure "they" are monitoring the re-entry vectors as we speak.


I recall seeing something about several of these occurances happening within the last decade, and how they were "pushed" into remote areas to minimize the risks of collateral damage.... ? Wish I saved that as a bookmark now.


Nonetheless, it will make a fantastic lightshow....

Keep us updated!

Cheers,
T.