Could Bob Lazar be who he says he is?

reply to post by zorgon


I'm actually going to have to agree...Even though I'm not what one would call a Lear and Lazar fan, they have contributed, in my eyes, many things that laid out a course for me. By and Large I hit dead ends..But Lear occasionally comes up with a gem or two. I don't think it's fair, even with all of my critiques, to say he contributes nothing.

I posted this in a previous thread regarding Lazar.. Seems to come up alot.. I thought I would post this again however as I think its important. For anyone who doubts his abilities then this is hard evidence proving that you are wrong:

I'm not sure about lazar..He does interest me though..


There was an article published on americanantigravity where one of their experts was in contact with bob.. Whoever bob lazar is he certainly knows his stuff:

"The concept of enhancing ion-wind thrust by changing atmospheric conductivity is a pretty rarified subject – I’d discussed this with 7 or 8 PhD physicists that I knew, and none of them had any helpful suggestions about it. Bob, however, had several – including a personal experience involving focusing-down a carbon-dioxide laser to create a narrow beam capable of ionizing an air-channel.

"At the time, I’d been considering laser photo-ionization with a high-frequency excimer (UV) laser, not a low-frequency CO2 (IR) laser, and was stunned by his announcement that the not only could the lower-frequency work, but that in fact he’d tested this himself a while back and seen sparks jumping around in mid-air within a region of plasmified air. After a few days of research and several calls to laser-specialists, I found out that Bob was indeed correct – and realized that not only did he sound intelligent, but that he had a solid foundation in both theoretical & experimental knowledge to draw from.

"Lazar had another idea as well – again, a real stunner: I’d been talking to him about the corona-wire in Lifters early on, and he mentioned to me the idea of putting a nuclear material on the corona-wire to increase thrust. Most people would have dismissed this as a silly notion, but Lazar drove the point home by discussing an experiment in which nuclear-materials in a high-voltage environment gave off a massive excess of electrons, thereby becoming a nuclear battery of sorts. It’s not free energy, but more like a transistor for ion-wind: a small voltage on the corona-wire excites the nuclear decay process, and serves as something like a “control voltage” for a much larger flow of stimulated-decay electrons that emerge from the uranium coating on the corona wire.

"For me, this suggestion of his was the indicator of real genius, because I’d been working on a story about stimulated beta-decay batteries that I hadn’t told him about, and everything he’d described fit perfectly with the research of Michael McDonnough, Dr. Paul Brown, and a few other innovators doing obscure work in this area. Very real research, and because it was on the fringe, none of it was in textbooks. Not only did Lazar know about this phenomenon, but he was talking about cross-pollinating Biefeld-Brown plasma-physics with stimulated beta-decay nuclear physics, which is an idea that had taken us a few months to arrive at. In Bob’s case, it only took a few minutes…"

Link to whole article here: www.americanantigravity.com...

This is well worth a read if you are interested.

Watch this:

www.youtube.com...

Edward Teller seems to get mad at the questions about Bob Lazar and when he's asked about forms of energy more advanced than nuclear.

There's no way to prove Lazar is who he says he is or not. But I've always found this little video clip most interesting. You can judge a lot by how someone reacts to questions and their body language.

What do you folks think?

reply to post by ufo reality


Dr. Teller is not a leaker. Bob Lazar is a leaker.
The United States government has the right and the
responsibility to protect its secrets. Dr. Teller agrees
with that.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by ufo reality

 

Dr. Teller is not a leaker. Bob Lazar is a leaker.
The United States government has the right and the
responsibility to protect its secrets. Dr. Teller agrees
with that.

I agree, but what I'm trying to point out is the unwillingness of Teller to talk about Lazar points toward Lazar being who he says he is.

reply to post by ufo reality


In what way does Teller reticence translate to Lear believability? I am not necessarily disagreeing automatically with this, just curious as to what the chain of reasoning is?

Originally posted by Palasheea

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The internet

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This one is very good....
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reply to post by ufo reality


The truth is that Bob Lazar IS telling the truth how he got hired
at EG&G thanks to Dr. Teller. It looks like Dr. Teller was advised
"Do not confirm or deny the Bob Lazar story."
Lazar is just part of the disclosure process.
Just hang in there. Total disclosure is coming in a few years.

reply to post by MajesticTwelve


It does look shiny. All the options for your sport model?
Power windows? Power Locks? Power steering? Cruise control?
Manual load Matter/ Antimatter reactor for Spacial Deteriation of Mass?
Thermoelectric Generator?

reply to post by DogHead

ever-unpopular John Lear.

Unpopular to you, maybe. However, I enjoy his posts immensely, and I know I'm not alone. That's an awfully blanket statement, and I doubt the rest of ATS gave you the authority to speak for them.

Lazar and Greer and whomever else are the recipients of attention because of the claims they make. Their claims require substantiation for non-credulous people to believe them.

As Mr. Lear and others have already pointed out: it seems satisfying your skepticism isn't real high on their list of priorities.

The judgments aren't baseless in this sense- his scientific claims have been proven to be illogical or outright false in some cases. So to maintain a claim in the face of fact is questionable.

I would love to see some links where his claims have been debunked or refuted. Do you have any? I'm not trying to be snide, here really. I've read a lot of Lazar's claims, however I've yet to read any refutations.

I must admit after I finished reading every post in this thread I was chuckling. Lots of people here who do not know Lear or Lazar from Adam, offer no credentials to prove their own areas of expertise or scientific knowledge and yet feel comfortable slandering them, calling them liars, and demanding they "prove" themselves. Frankly, I'd tell you all to get bent if it was me.

I'm also fairly tickled by the calls for Lear to be banned. Obviously if SO, Springer et all gave him his own forum they respect him, and what he has to say. He's obviously revealed enough of whatever it is that makes him a "Conspiracy Master" to the board owners to satisfy them. If you don't like how the three amigos run their board perhaps you should start your own.

Bob Lazar certainly could be who he says he is. But then again, I could be who he says he is too.....

Originally posted by ItsHumanNature
Bob Lazar certainly could be who he says he is. But then again, I could be who he says he is too.....

Really? Please explain to me the functioning of the Element 115 drive of the sport model... thanks

Um, that might have been a real "IN YOUR FACE!" if he hadn't left of his own volition.

P.S. I have no animosity for you DogHead. In fact, I find many of the things you post illuminating (other than your Anti-Lear stuff.)

*throws daisies*

I think it's just cranky old farts who think they know everything yelling at other cranky old farts that think they know everything when fact of the matter is, we're probably all wrong on 90 percent of our "facts." but as we need to maintain the semblance of the popes of science, i guess it's bite the bullet and grumble into my sleeve.

just one question though:


if ATS is to deny ignorance, could we make an attempt to actually learn something besides what they tell us constantly? it's like brainwashing:

1. the moon is not inhabited.
2. the moon is not inhabited.
3 the moon is not inhabited.

correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't part of science to actually build a hypothesis based on observation?

eh, don't answer that. i'm too frustrated to think atm.

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by TheStarMan
Most people think it is really weird that I don't know the names of my professors, or even class numbers and all that stuff.

Frankly, I find it mighty weird, too... By the way, do you know what country you are in? It's not the most important piece of information, of course... There are plethora of other, even less significant facts such as names of your siblings and your mother's date of birth.

But I am there to learn, I am not concerned with things like professor names.

Right, to hell with decorum... "You, hey you, have you graded my homework?"

When you get married, don't bother remembering your spouse's name. After all, you are there to procreate, not to be concerned with things like you partner's name and all.

I refer to them as Professor if I need to speak to them. Of course if it is a professor that I begin to interact with more, I will learn their name, but if it is a professor that simply lectures, likely I will not know it offhand.

I am not someone who does not know what country I am in. Likely if you gave me a world map without names, I could likely mark at least 85% of it, evne countries most people don't even know exist like Laos.

And no, I am not some kid, I am married, and this is my second time through school. I just don't see what difference it makes whether I know my professors name or the class number. I can easily look the stuff up if I need it.

My point is, if I was being analyzed like Lazar RIGHT NOW, you would assume I wasn't even in school, but Lazar is being asked this stuff decades later, so it isn't without possibility that he truly does not remember, especially if he was not a doctorate student, where professor and student become much closer.

[edit on 6-2-2008 by TheStarMan]

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by ItsHumanNature
Bob Lazar certainly could be who he says he is. But then again, I could be who he says he is too.....

Really? Please explain to me the functioning of the Element 115 drive of the sport model... thanks

The 115 reacts inside of a mushroom that can only be mined on th planet Pluto (o.k. micro-planet...whatever) When the element 115 reaches critical mass from the energy derived off of the Alien's sweat glands, 40 small blue smurfs come out and convert the element 115 to pure energy, powering the craft.

Prove me wrong. There are as many things wrong with what I just said as there are with Bob's own statement, yet ignorant people give him the benefit of the doubt because they WANT to believe more than they will admit....

[edit on 6-2-2008 by IgnoreTheFacts]

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by ItsHumanNature
Bob Lazar certainly could be who he says he is. But then again, I could be who he says he is too.....

Really? Please explain to me the functioning of the Element 115 drive of the sport model... thanks

Well, in the spirit of honest comparison, BL himslef does not offer much in the way of explaining the functioning of the alleged Element 115. His pronouncements that Element 116 emits two antiprotons spontaneously aren't any explanation at all, because such process is quite frankly impossible according to the physics we know. His description of the "drive" itself is also incompatible with laws of physics on many levels, as I have commented in a separate thread which you can easily find here. So, it may seem paradoxical to you, but BL doesn't have much (or anything) to back up his reputation, through these means. For all I know, the member "ItsHumanNature" could be the real Bob Lazar.

And again, BL appeared to be completely ignorant of the fact that the "ambient" cosmic rays would surely cause a reaction in the alleged piece of 115 that he owned, if what he said was true.

Sorry if someone has already pointed this out, but Lazar is said by William Cooper (now-deceased author of "On a Pale Horse") to be a CIA asset. He made the same claims with John Lear.

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
The 115 reacts inside of a mushroom that can only be mined on th planet Pluto

Very helpful as always

Care to explain the relationship of Bismuth to Element 115?