I am Jesse Macbeth, this my response to the world

Originally posted by undo
Mercy is not a weakness. It's not naivete.
I know we are taught to believe it is, but really isn't. It's about understanding ourselves, true or false?

Words of wisdom.

I think all compassionate actions are about understanding ourselves. I also believe that negative actions are also, but only after realization that they were negative acts and not repeating them.

The OP is full of it.

Another hoaxer having their fun?

If it was really him there is no way that he'd be posting here like this.



[edit on 24-1-2008 by LockwithnoKey]

"My father wrote about this in his book. Chapter 1... Page 1... Paragraph 1: What is the answer to 99 out of 100 questions?... Money." -Vanilla Sky

On Friday, May 18 2007, a criminal complaint was unsealed in the United States District Court in Seattle, Washington, charging Macbeth with one count of using or possessing a forged or altered military discharge certificate and one count of making false statements in seeking benefits from the Veterans Administration.[32] The complaint alleged that Macbeth posed as an Iraq war veteran and illicitly collected more than $10,400 in benefits.

On June 7, 2007, Macbeth pleaded guilty to one count of making false statements to the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs.[33] MacBeth was sentenced September 21, 2007, to 5 months in jail and three years probation

en.wikipedia.org...

If this guy is really who he claims to be:

Maybe this has been covered but I was just wondering, how much does this guy have to pay for what he's done?

I mean, he already went to prison and he seems to want to put it all behind him. With murderers and rapists walking around free I'm just wondering what else should we have done to this guy?

Many here are attacking him with every bit of venom they can muster but isn't a lie a lie? In God's eye's the lies many of you think are innocent are just as much a lie as the OP's.

I'm the first one to tell you that I don't care for the Quran or the movement of Islam but I think the guy paid for what he did. Shouldn't he be allowed to live his life now?

Some of you point fingers like you do no wrong. I honestly don't know the full story and I'm far from perfect but I prefer to err on the side of humanity.

[edit on 24-1-2008 by jbondo]

mods;

Please delete this post

[edit on 24-1-2008 by infinite]

reply to post by MrWendal


Just FYI a acetaminophen overdose can be deadly. If not treated within 8 hours the effects are irreversible and will result in death. It will destroy the liver among other things. It is a very painful and slow way to die.

I've always heard that you can catch more flies with Honey than you can with vinegar. (however flies seem to love dog crap so that basically shoots down any validity that statement has).

Anyway, screaming insults and offhand dismissals at the OP certainly isn't going to help anything. It's more likely going to drive him away. If this site is about finding truth, then we must actually look for it, and not just assume there is none to be had. That's what DI is all about right?

reply to post by Rasobasi420


it won't just drive him away but will put off other people from coming here and telling their stories (good or bad) if this is the way they are treated. how can you gain respect as a website if you don't give it to your members.

truth is truth and can be distinguished from lies because it is consistent, holds up to scrutiny and can (in most cases) be verified. those that live in glass houses would do well to remember that.

and for those who say that sort of thing can't happen because those who witnessed it would surely say something about it..... two words - ABU GHRAIB (different situation but same scenario)

reply to post by dryken1


I don't believe you for one simple reason, if you are who you say you are then as a proud Muslim you would know how to spell the "Koran", you have it spelled qurun or something like that...I'm not even Muslim and know how to spell it.........

reply to post by MuseInPink


You spell "Koran"..

Qur'an...(the exact English translation is spelt al-qur'ān)

Koran is the simple American spelling




[edit on 24-1-2008 by infinite]

Originally posted by GUICE2
reply to post by Valhall

 

No one would beleive him though.....so picture this.
A desperate man, a poor and homeless man. Beaten for his religious beleifs and ridiculed in a country that is full of people who are blinded by their own government. He knew no one would beleive him and that he might have even been killed for revealing the truth...so he took the low road out because it was the only road to take. He lied....they lied, two wrongs dont make a right and this is true but desperate times call for desperate measures and that is especially true i beleive when referring to someone's inner personal struggle for justice.

My question is did any of that even happen in Boot Camp? Where is his proof that you were abused in Boot Camp? I think that he made everything up becouse on this forum he can find people who are paranoid enough to beleive anything that he says. Granted there were things that happened in Iraq. It seems that any nut job can get an audience these days and tell Arab media about the rape and torture he committed in Iraq for the U.S. One thing you must remember is that unlike 20 years ago, it is easier and easier to verify events and people.

Originally posted by WhiteOneActual
As a leader, I know the seriousness of a claim of racial discrimination. It can completely shut down an entire unit for months.

This is true.

While my brother was in boot camp there was a high ranking officer that made an innocuous statement to a few black privates regarding behavior. Something along the lines of "Just work hard and be on your best behavior. You know if you mess up they are going to come down on you twice as hard."

One of them reported this, they investigated and the guy was transfered or something because they never saw him again. He said he was surprised at how quickly it happened.

Could Jesse's claims be true? Anything is possible.

Also true.

Situation's like this have occurred before and you'd be naive to think they haven't. His statements regarding alleged abuse are very possible. There have been similar cases, and some female soldiers have made allegations of sexual assaults.

I have no way of knowing whether or not his story is true and the OP is an admitted liar, but it would be ashame if this was reported and immediately dismissed. Some people assume that in order to support the troops you have to ignore the ones that commit viscous crimes against the innocent and the weak. Even worse, they shamelessly attack the victim for coming forward.

That is the opposite of support in my opinion.

If he served his time for his bad behavior and poor judgment, I say good luck to you and move on in your life. It's easy to point the finger from a vacuum, and unfortunately whether or not you spend the required time, society tends to keep you in an ostracizing prison when you come out regardless.

"Once a felon always a felon", "once a liar, always a liar". Those sentiments are not reflective of a people that believe in second chances or salvation. I don't know too much about the Muslim religion but as far as Christianity goes...just make sure you don't have a mote of your own that needs removing.

I hope you find peace, man.

- Lee

Originally posted by TheoOne
Well

I could understand if they tortured you or whatever, but that's because they probably were doing it for a reason. A muslim in U.S. Army? If I was in U.S. Army, I think I would be actualy scared to have a muslim in my squad or army. Because if you have a muslim with you on the way to the Iraq and when you're already there, a muslim probably can pass information to other terrorists (who are muslims too) about the movement or plans, etc. They probably were trying to get you out of army for their safety.

So if what you say is true, then yeah it's bad, they probably had a reason to do it. Just think about it. A muslim in U.S. Army? I don't think I can see that. Why'd you join army though? If you wanted to make a real difference, you could've done different than joining army.

Why lie, though? That just makes you look even more stupid. But again, if you really are who you say you are, I just don't know, I could be totally wrong about what everything I've stated too. Are there any muslims in the U.S. Army at all? (If so, then except those who were born in America?)

[edit on 23-1-2008 by TheoOne]

What are you talking about?

There are Muslims in the Army. That means nothing, because the Muslims that are in the Army are AMERICANS, and that one fact makes them deserving of being treated as an equal to anyone else.

All I wish to hear from the military, is what the hell is happening in there these days? I'm not liking what i am hearing or seeing, and I know for a fact that there is STILL foul treatment of minorities in the military being ex military myself and a darker complected American of Italian descent who also had to deal with that crap. It's wrong.

One might want to ask the question of how this could have all been avoided if the leadership in the military put a little more emphasis on equality and quit preaching hate regarding anyone who looks different than the redneck "status-quo".

Originally posted by LockwithnoKey
The OP is full of it.

If it was really him there is no way that he'd be posting here like this.

Where would he post, then? ATS is likely the most structured and serious (if I may use that word for this topic) Alternate Theory study site on the 'Net, and certainly seeing how hostile some have reacted to this OP (and that's with our 'open minds'), how much worse his reception someplace else?

No, it was not good the lies he told, whether for revenge or otherwise, and anger is certainly to be understood for those who feel it regarding the Macbeth accounts. Yet, we voice our rage, disgust, and discontent in thread after thread about how governments are taking away Rights, how Habius Corpus protection has been trodden upon by the very Authorities meant to uphold it, then turn right around and try and convict a new poster with zero evidence, zero compassion, a judgement based upon pure emotion alone.

IF you had done what Jesse Macbeth has done, and IF you had been found guilty of it as a crime and suffered jail punishment for it, and IF you indeed felt remorse when that drama was all over . . . if ATS were not an option for you to at least attempt to speak (because as long as his heart beats he should have the right to speak, to present his case for consideration by peers, then a silencing judgement if found guilty of further dishonesty), where, then, would be a good spot to open one's heart?

The point I'm getting at is not whether the real Macbeth is actually on this forum, and if so, guilty or not; I'm wondering do we dare promote a mature example of how volatile situations like this are dealt with (prior to further evidence), intellectually speaking. Guilty until proven innocent . . . that's the NWO way, no?

Otherwise, how is ATS different?

reply to post by dryken1


Like many others I simply have a hard time believing that you are now being truthful. For whatever the reasons you made a number of false claims and suddenly now you have seen the light and we should believe you.

Sadly, its going to take a lot of work to convince me that you are being honest on what you have written on ATS.

i went to boot camp in san diego in 1970...it was tough.
they were harder on "different" folks. there were those in
leadership positions who were racially and culturally ignorant.
we did get the crap beat out of us. i saw 1 guy committ suicide
because he couldn't take it. it does happen. i can imagine those
same DI's during these times with a muslim (a black one at that!)
being total ingrates and keeping it hidden. it still happens. maybe
the young man was wrong in how he handled the situation but as was
stated above, he must get past it and move on!! change your name
if you have to. find a job and sink into life in america. find a lady to
love, have children and enjoy life....let it go son!!!

reply to post by OptionToChoose

Originally posted by OptionToChoose

Originally posted by LockwithnoKey
The OP is full of it.

If it was really him there is no way that he'd be posting here like this.

Where would he post, then? ATS is likely the most structured and serious (if I may use that word for this topic) Alternate Theory study site on the 'Net, and certainly seeing how hostile some have reacted to this OP (and that's with our 'open minds'), how much worse his reception someplace else?

This is probably one of the most inappropriate places to post his experiences, imo.

What can ATS do for him? Agree with him, and make him feel better? If that's what he wants, he should visit a bbs that specializes in anti-military. There are plenty of them. But as for posting it here, ATS is toothless.

Take it to a lawyer, the media, his congressman. Someplace where something can be done to properly investigate this matter.

reply to post by jsobecky


I don't think he was looking for teeth, just a tongue.

Originally posted by earthman4
Your lies and actions were nothing compared to the crimes commited by the leaders of the US. They should be the ones incarcerated. I can tell you are angry and want revenge. Go on with your life and realize that these things are beyond anyone's control. Many in the armed forces are fighting for lies and they will learn soon. This war scam relies on ignorance and anger, deny them.

Amen.

I for one have no problem considering that Army personnel, even of the highest ranks, would belittle and abuse a Muslim. The Army manipulates and uses Christian ideology to make war against Islam, which is both un-Christian and un-American.

The ARMY does not belong to the American people, it belongs to Nazis, and it has for quite a while.

As far as lying about service and telling war-stories that aren't true: that's definitely something that hurts credibility. It is none-the-less irrelevant to this persons training experience. His time in boot camp could EASILY be corroborated by the witness of other soldiers, but this will never happen.

Originally posted by tankthinker
i matter.

You don't matter to me and I just read your post to the whole office and you don't matter to them. Drink less Red Bull's too as that may help. You do help keep a thread going though.