The possibilites of time travel

A paradox in its self i think, my theory of timetravel in a very truncated way


Timetravel could be possible, here is my theory...


This said person has invented the computer, he got the information from his future self, the future self would go back in time with all the information current to him for the past person to create the computer, the past person receives the future information from his future self and begins to build the computer in which he does, now knowing the past person has invented this computer, going back to the same date in the future when the said person is meant to go back to meet him in the past, why would the future person go back in time to present him with the information for him to invent it if it already has the computer in the future?


This future person could keep going back to meet his past self with upgraded information just after the original meet (say every minute) he could have the best computer in a matter of minutes, if he kept repeating the process he could eventually have a time machine.

You can test this theory yourself, by just telling yourself that if, timetravel ever gets posible in your lifetime, you will travel back to visit yourself in 30 minuts from now

All you have to do is sit back and wait to see if you knock on the door.

yup all Bill and Ted stuff :-)

but timetravel will only get possible if you receive all the information from the past that you sent from the future, you send all the components back in time in short time durations after each other, but knowing that you can already timetravel when in the future, you know its gonna succeed :-)

mind boggling

Originally posted by Bluess
You can test this theory yourself, by just telling yourself that if, timetravel ever gets posible in your lifetime, you will travel back to visit yourself in 30 minuts from now.

That would be nice, although a workable time machine would probably require so much power that only a huge government would be able to finance it. So that's like Joe Schmoe from Butte, Montana, saying to himself in 1903 that if nuclear-powered aircraft carriers ever get invented, he'll sail one to his hometown. I somehow doubt that time machines will ever become as commonplace as microwave ovens, and the noticeable lack of a million time travelers showing up all over the place right now tends to prove that theory.

A few travelers here and there, in highly controlled missions, though? A few stray people in the crowd watching the Kennedy Assassination? Hmmm...

Time travel is and always has been one of my favorite subjects, i have tried what you have said many times in the past but the effort was no eventful,

My problem with time travel is what would you do if it became possible? Just that question would be enough IMO to cause a paradox, you know as well as i do if you came back to knock on your door that you would destroy yourself,

You would have to convince yourself that you could not use the fact you came back to your advantage because if you do your future would change and then you wouldn't come back in the first place?

Let me try and explain and this is my own theory, lets say your watching tv and you think of that question, and you remember it always, but your path through life is a normal 9 to 5 working day, average life, wife, kids, House you know what i mean?

You cant come back because one tiny slip and yours and everyone elses future changes, just the thought of that will prevent time travel from happening, one tiny change and you wont be able to come back to warn you of things, because if you do warn you, you will change or prevent something which stops you from using the time machine or inventing it, and if you dont use it or invent it you couldn't come back in the first place and so fourth.

I always look at old pictures to see if there are indications of time travel in them, for instance a watch, or something that does not belong in that picture, and believe me it would happen,

You would have to be the strongest willed person alive to stop yourself from saving maybe a child or someone you miss so badly, then comes the question who prevents others from traveling back or forward to murder or rob or expierience?

it is such a complicated science that not all bases could ever be covered. IMO

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Nicely put :-)

But if we live at a time when we are also thinking of parallel universes then maybe through timetravel this is why they have been created because of the single thought of timetravel would make all these branches happen, would people from the future come and tell us about this invention or have they discovered a law that prevents such a thing, or it could be happening all the time and we are moving from parallels all the time as we dont put much thought into it


i think we have the technology in the future and they are waiting for us in the present to crack open this pandoras box and then begins the infinite cycle of infinity, timetravel could be just what our thoughts are and they alter with every second of thought, even tho time is our creation of measurement, in the future we may perceive it differently

Well the current theory is if you go faster than the speed of light you would appear to go back in time. That is appear not actually go back but time would appear to reverse itself. (I think something to do with light moving in the opposite direction.)

My other question would be this...

you go back in time and the earth isn't in the same spot it was when you left. wouldn't you be stuck out in space or worse stuck in the middle of the planet? you have to remember that the earth revolves around the sun the sun revolves around the center of the milky way galaxy and this galaxy also moves away from universal central point. So when you take your jaunt back in time, space is different from where you left. Not only are you traveling through time you have to travel through space as well.

Imagine the calculations that would have to be made in order to jump through time?

Originally posted by whatukno
Well the current theory is if you go faster than the speed of light you would appear to go back in time. That is appear not actually go back but time would appear to reverse itself. (I think something to do with light moving in the opposite direction.)

My other question would be this...

you go back in time and the earth isn't in the same spot it was when you left. wouldn't you be stuck out in space or worse stuck in the middle of the planet? you have to remember that the earth revolves around the sun the sun revolves around the center of the milky way galaxy and this galaxy also moves away from universal central point. So when you take your jaunt back in time, space is different from where you left. Not only are you traveling through time you have to travel through space as well.

Imagine the calculations that would have to be made in order to jump through time?

We invented time, so in theory (again another term used by us) we should be able to do whatever we want whenever we want, no one told us about time, it is our own portrayal of our existence, who ever invented this measurement should of know of this before and after they thought of it

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Interesting, however I do disagree, time is recorded and has been recorded by trees long before humans ever thought of the term TIME. Each and every year that a tree ages it gains one ring, the earth does the same thing. If you dig down into the earth (which I do every dang day) you can see the different layers of time. So time and space are both one and the same and in some weird way completely different.

thats all past and the present, but there is nothing written about our future, if we told ourselves, if we knew what would happen then there would be nothing to write about, we make this theory based on what we have done

but the future knows this already so that must mean something does know its gonna happen and why i think it can exist

I think that time travel has many things that need to be sorted out.

Time is nothing but a measure of the changing of postions of objects in space. A year is just a measurement of the Earth circling the Sun. A day is the revovling of the Earth of its axis.

So they are the measurments of a day and year. The amount of time it takes to orbit depends on the mass of the planet/sun. If you were to time travel a significant distance through space and time, lets say 1 billion years. 1 billion years ago the Earth would not of been the size it is now, which means a day would of been 20 hours*, so if we travel 1 billion years back, we make it as 24 hours in a day, when really at a point there were only 20, so we end up not where we wanted.

So after the problem of time, we start on the problem of location. 1 billion years ago were im sitting right now may of been an volcano, if i travel back i may end up in the wrong time, and even worse in the middle of a volcano.

*Time & Dates just made up for example.

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Rather than physical time travel. I think if/when time travel begins we might send time probes. The time probes would nano size or smaller so it would take less energy. Just start out by transferring little bits of information.

Like the evolution of the computer as time probes evolve the amount of data would be greater as the technology advances until eventually it would be like a virtual time travel machine where, your mind can be in two times at once but your physical body would not go anywhere in time - only your mind would time travel through the interface via the probes. The present time X where you operated the virtual interface & the other time O which you would be experiencing through the interface. Another words the time travel hardware would just be an artificial extension of your senses through the use of time probes that you could send to another time.

Rather than send large objects or hardware through time we would interface with the objects/lifeforms that are already in the time we wish to view or manipulate.

You could first only take a glimpse in other times, but eventually you create tools to manipulate things in that other time slightly. Maybe you could even recruit others in those times to do things, some without even having the knowledge that you are manipulating their world. You could send subliminal information through the popular media of the time in order to manipulate entire populations to behave in certain ways. You could also target certain persons with higher awareness to fight for good without the bad ones they're fighting being aware of who is receiving that information.

We could initiate small changes in the past and watch the wave as it gets to us and or would the change branch off and becomes a parallel world as others have suggested?

There really would not be any paradox's because the world would just always be evolving.

I believe the evidence of others manipulating us through time is probably all around us, what we have to do is figure out how we would do it & then look around and begin to manipulate their tools in order to find them.

I believe time travel does/will exist, I just don't believe in the HG Wells idea that you drive there in your time machine. Time travel will take place without ever having to leave your time by creating a time travel interface on your computer. Though eventually it may be a complete virtual or simulated environment that could make one actually believe you're there you would never have left where you begun





[edit on 23-1-2008 by verylowfrequency]

A thread this morning, posted in the grey area, was closed regarding another claimant to time travel. However, it was very interesting and I spent a couple of hours thinking of future espionage, or wars conducted via time travel. It had already occurred to me that ets probably are conducting similar espionage, doing timeline tweaks, or repairs, as well.

But a dilemma occurred to me, with regards to the paradox, and the idea that has been brought up, even disclosed by Dan Burisch and others, that when a paradox occurs, the timeline adjusts by splitting and creating an alternate line.

An idea came to me, that a company would not be able to manipulate their stocks and profits through espionage, because the desired change of ridding the world of the one, or the group, who successfully threaten their power and, most likely by benefiting the world in some way, would have already done this. Ie. discovering the cure for ADHD, would have already taken place, so traveling back in time would only cause a split, and only on the alternative timeline created would this persons disappearance matter. In other words, it wouldn't benefit the company on this one, because the cure was already found.

Can you imagine the level of damage to alternative timelines, to the multiverse, should time travel be used like this?

How could such espionage be used? Are we close to developing this as a reality and a new toy for corporate abuse? I would really like to hear from others on this, its fascinating.

Originally posted by ProTo Fire Fox
Time is nothing but a measure of the changing of postions of objects in space.

Ahhh...but that greatly oversimplifies the measurements...an oft overlooked component of time is decay. Entropy, and the natural decay of atomic materials, means nothing that existed in any time past, exists now in exactly the same form. Not only that, but it cannot in any way be reconstituted, rewound, or revisited....as it simply cannot exist. Keep in mind....if today, you decided you want to travel back into last summer....it is only possible if "last summer" exists right now. But it doesn't, nor will there ever be any chance of recreating that particular moment in space/time and atomic coherence.

Edit to add:
Consider....clearly the future does not exist. No more than a person exists before they are born. So assuming that no timeframe in the past had an existent future, traveling back to 1960 from its future is impossible.....since 1960 has no future for the travelers to have come from.

[edit on 8-1-2009 by MrPenny]

From what I understand about time travel theories, they all have one main flaw. I'm not sure about going into the past but I know that you can't go into the future and here's why -

To presume you can travel into the future presumes the future is 'written', that there is a destiny for everyone and everything. In other words fait exists or in more simple terms there is a god.

That's the only way time travel is possible. You can't go into the future if it's not already set. You might though be able to travel to the past because events have already transpired and recorded, so it may be possible.

Yes, time travel is entirely possible, even right at this moment. It doesn't need to be invented, it has always been possible. Yet to be understood and explained by physics, as most things in this universe are. Though you can't go physically as all the sci-fi movies would have you believe. But you'll still be there watching as if you had physically gone.

Originally posted by tinfoil hatter
Yes, time travel is entirely possible, even right at this moment. It doesn't need to be invented, it has always been possible.

That is quite the grand claim. Now, you need to explain how it is accomplished.

In detail please.

Originally posted by andre18
You can't go into the future if it's not already set.

That's exactly my point. If any time has no set future....how can anyone visit from a future that is not set?

Regardless of the time travel scenarios established by popular science fiction....wherever you are, is right now.....the hypothetical "time traveler", whatever era they find themselves in, is still experiencing time as "right now". They can't be in a bubble that is somehow indifferent to reality. 1960 is 1960...whether or not you claim to be "from" 2013; your still in 1960....but, if "right now" has no set future.....

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Lol, I bet you would like that. Sorry, you have to earn it. Not all things are free in this universe. Have a nice day.

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You don't have any idea, do you? Just decided to toss that gem out there with nary a thought to how it would trash your credibility? Or did your imagination bump up against the wall of "uh oh....I really am clueless?"

I refute you thus....time travel is not possible, not now, not ever. Please refer to my previous posts for my reasoning.

tinfoil hatter is totally, unequivocally, badly,.....wrong.