Half Human Half Alien Skull? Pseudo science? or real?

There is a guy (Lloyd Pye) who claims he has a skull which was discovered in Mexico in 1930 will change the history of mankind when he conducts a nuclear DNA test developed by "454 Life Sciences" which is a major player when it comes to DNA sequencing. This "test" which wont be available until 2010 (thats his statement) will determine if the father was human or alien??

The book "The Starchild Skull" is full of off topic stories and a load of scientific mumbo jumbo that anyone but a genetic scientist could remotely understand??

Lloyd Pye claims that because the Starchild skull shows so much deviation from the human norm, he can confidently expect DNA testing to prove it is one of three things: (1) a pure alien Gray type; (2) a Gray-human hybrid; or (3) the most bizarre human deformity since The Elephant Man.”

They argue that the child cannot have a genetic (inherited) malformation because of the symmetry of the skull and the lack of premature fusion of the cranial sutures. However, they dismiss all genetic disorders on this basis.


Hmm Comments?

Are there any pictures of the skull? I'd be interested to see what it looks like, but off the bat I'm assuming it's most likely either some kind of undiscovered hominid or some other kind of previously undiscovered primate. Also, have they tried to do any kind of radiocarbon dating tests on it?

reply to post by Xcalibur254


Yes. Check out Lloyd Pye's Starchild website here.

I heard Lloyd Pye on theblackvault and he sounded very sincere and his research seems to serious (mp3 here)

Here's an animated gif with all the views of the Skull:



ed: There seems to be an wikipedia entry already about the Starchild skull.

ed2: Added link to theblackvault interview.

[edit on 21-1-2008 by danx]

Wether he sounds sincere or not, is not the issue. Alot of his "alien" claims still warrant absolutely no validity within the scientific community whatsoever. The skull is 900 years old. The final DNA test is pending? He should wait until then.

Originally posted by luxor311
Wether he sounds sincere or not, is not the issue.

Well, it is an issue to get my attention and give this story some consideration, since - like you said - there isn't anything to concrete to prove Pye's theory.

I wasn't implying that what the theory (or the story) he presents is true, and I didn't.

The thing that really ticks me off is that the Starchild Project homepage is really pusing the human-alien hybrid theory. This is a statement on their website:

Nuclear DNA has NOT been recovered, however, suggesting it has degraded in some unusual way, or the genetic primers could not find any HUMAN chains of base pairs from the father.

The funny thing is that right before that statement there is this one:

nDNA, which is from both parents and so provides a complete genetic picture, but is difficult to recover from "ancient" bone--older than 50 years

So on one paragraph they are saying the DNA they are looking for is difficult to recover(and in fact is near impossible on an old set of bones), and on the next one they say that the fact that it hasn't been recovered implies that it was degraded in an 'unusual' way or that it wasn't there to begin with.

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They had already done like three DNA tests on the skull with the old technology, only able to see the mother's DNA, not the father's. Interestingly the mother has been confirmed to be European, someone you would not expect to have been anywhere near the site where the skull was found 900 years ago.

The reason they won't be able to do the final testing until later this year (2008 is the latest I've heard) is because the new advancement that allowed for testing the Neanderthal dna was only recently done.

I do not take their “unexplainable” claim at face value. The authors never directly consider congenital hydrocephalus as a possible explanation, although they dismiss it along with a long list of natural deformities. Hydrocephalus literally means “water on the brain,” and results from a blockage in the normal flow of cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) from where it is made inside the brain to the space surrounding the brain and spinal cord where it is reabsorbed. As a result of the blockage, CSF builds up inside the brain, pushing outward on the brain and skull. Because in young children the bones of the skull have not yet fused together, the skull is free to enlarge to accommodate this buildup of fluid.

If a child suffered from untreated hydrocephalus until age four or five, their skull would display distortions in almost every feature. All of the proper bones, prominences, holes, and sutures would be present, as they are in the Starchild skull, but they would be deformed and displaced. This is exactly what we find in the Starchild skull

What about their confident prediction that DNA testing will prove the child was alien? Well, a DNA sample was taken from the skull, and was subjected to DNA probes designed to detect sequences of DNA that are unique to humans (performed by Dr. David Sweet, Director of the Bureau of Legal Dentistry at the University of British Columbia)5. The Starchild skull DNA was found to contain both an X and a Y chromosome. This is conclusive evidence that the child was not only human (and male), but both of his parents must have been human as well, for each must have contributed one of the human sex chromosomes.

In view of such evidence, Pye and Bean can reasonably be expected to abandon their alien hypothesis, if they were genuine scientists. However, their website continues to support an alien interpretation of the Starchild, and this is what they have to say about the DNA evidence

reference Steven Novella, MD
2/17/2006




[edit on 21-1-2008 by luxor311]

Their are no proof that aliens exist the starchild skull is just a deformed human skull the real questions are where do humans come from? we can't of came from apes or we would see some proof by now that we do

Originally posted by luxor311
Lloyd Pye claims that because the Starchild skull shows so much deviation from the human norm, he can confidently expect DNA testing to prove it is one of three things: (1) a pure alien Gray type; (2) a Gray-human hybrid

Dont you have to have dna from a grey to confirm anything?

How can you confirm alien DNA when there is none to sample to?

reply to post by luxor311


A couple of points on this:

Firstly, while I do believe in aliens, I do think that hydrocephalus is the most likely explanation for this skull. That said, I find it very hard to believe that a child could live for four or five years with such a severe case. Sure, it's not impossible, perhaps even as likely as the possibility that it is an alien. But I do think it's important to note that there are some leaps that need to be made to conclude that this skull is from a child with hydrocephalus.

Also, in terms of the DNA and X & Y chromosomes - a clone would have both of these chromosomes no? And yet they technically have no parents. I think there's also some leaps involved to conclude that an X & Y chromosome proves 2 human parents.

As I say, I'm just playing devils advocate here. But I do think there are some problems with the hydrocephalus theory too.