The True Conservative Choice

reply to post by nyk537


Well I can imagine that must feel crummy; throwing all your support behind someone only to have them drop out of the race.

I've been wondering all day how much Thompson support will now shift to the RP campaign... due to the fact that you highlighted in your post.

In any rate, congrats to Thompson for making it this far; I didn't approve of some of the comments he made in the debates, but he did seem like an alright guy. Better in my mind than the other options, though, save one.

I look forward to seeing who you get behind, I am sure you will be a positive impact, whoever it might be.

Regards.

[edit on 1/22/08 by The Axeman]

Sorry about Fred NYK.....

Bound to happen though as we discussed earlier. I think if he had more money and had started earlier he could have been a serious contender.. I like him as well...

Well said Axe....

Semper

nyk537,

Bummer about Fred..I had a feeling it was coming today.
I know his Mom is sick too. I wish the best for him.
Frankly, he was the only other contender that I had respect for.

Now, we're down to one Other conservative..

Originally posted by semperfortis
Sorry about Fred NYK.....

Bound to happen though as we discussed earlier. I think if he had more money and had started earlier he could have been a serious contender.. I like him as well...

Semper

Yes, it truly was disappointing. Yet we still have a long battle to fight here against Hillary and the new socialist party.

And I have no doubt we still have a couple of guys remaining who could do exactly for this country what it needs.

Let not our hearts be troubled.

Semper, Nyk: I'm sorry to say it, but your candidate is straight busted... he has lost what modicum of respect I had for him, as he obviously cannot stand on his own merit, and will rely on the "whisper in his ear" to be effective.

Disgraceful. If he didn't know what Reagan did in 1983 with regard to social security, he should have just said: "I don't know what he did." Instead, his integrity has been compromised, and what respect I had for him is now gone.

Ron Paul may be many things, and you guys can say what you want about him, but he damn sure stands on his own two feet, and would never stoop so low as to rely on whispered counsel during a debate.

Sorry if you don't like it but I call a spade a spade.

Well what I heard was one of the other Debaters whisper "Raise Taxes"

What I heard Romney say was "I'm NOT going to raise taxes"

Was it Paul that was whispering?

How do we know?

I generally don't throw pie in anyones face until I know for sure they deserve that pie. A whisper from who knows where, about Raising Taxes, in direct contradiction to what he said, is not enough to pie the man in my book..

But that's just me...

Again, I don't care about their marriages, religion, hobbies, or whether they clip their toenails on the couch. I look HARD at voting, Gubernatorial, records because the one thing they can not whisper about, or change is their past actions in regards to running the state or working in the senate. Period..

The rest is all fluff and nonsense ...

Semper

Like I said before, I look to more subtle communications that what is actually spoken. THe impression I got is that he was cued.

He says he's this big Reagan fan, and Russert tried to catch him slipping... the whisper was to let Romney know what it was Reagan did in 1983 so he could answer the question and not look like a riding-the-coattails-of-Reagan-without-even-knowing-about-Reagan fool.

That's how it came across to me, anyway. Nothing personal, and I'm not one to "take a swipe" at other candidates... but this is blatant.

You could tell from the way he said the first few words he was reacting to a promp.

Sorry semper, and all due respect, but Romney is a tool, just like the rest of them.

Again Axe,

We must agree to disagree..

Not always such a bad thing...

Semper

Well, the Republican party came one step closer to putting a Democrat into office yesterday when they gave John McCain a win in Florida.

Don't get me wrong, I'd still take McCain over Hillary or Obama any day, but I'm really hoping the party can rally around Romney now to prevent this from taking place.

Only time will tell.

Hillary yes.

I think I would go with Obama though over McCain...

I really REALLY don't trust that guy...

Semper

reply to post by semperfortis


I see your point Semper. There are a few things I think McCain still has over Obama though. Although I have an extreme distrust for McCain as you do, I do believe he will do the right thing pertaining to the war, where as Obama would pull troops out ASAP. I also think McCain will continue to give us free market solutions for health-care, where as Obama would socialize medicine.

reply to post by The Axeman


So a one-second anonymous whisper is enough for you to discount a man's entire career and declare him "a tool"?

I daresay that the candidate hasn't been born that could pass that muster 100% of the time.

Just an fyi - a good quality earpiece is almost invisible and certainly inaudible, certainly something Romney could afford. So that tells me the source of the whisper was most likely one of the other debaters.

[edit on 30-1-2008 by jsobecky]

reply to post by nyk537


Don't despair just yet. Florida was a unique state. The vote was "all Republican", no temp switch from indy to GOP then back again. So the undeclared is an unknown there. McCain had a large portion of the elderly vote. He also has a long history in that state, from his days as a pilot to his post-war medical treatment there. Floridians love him.

Also take into account where the polls were only a few short weeks ago, and look at how much ground Romney closed in the interim. Encouraging.

reply to post by jsobecky


Well it's encouraging and disheartening at the same time. Looking at the polls for the majority of the Super Tuesday states it looks like McCain is holding leads in most of them.

I just really hope Romney can pull this out because having to choose between McCain and Hillary/Obama is not something I am looking forward to.

Originally posted by nyk537

I just really hope Romney can pull this out because having to choose between McCain and Hillary/Obama is not something I am looking forward to.

I don't know if I'd be able to make that choice either. If it comes down to that, I may have to sit this one out.

Well, things got that much more bleak last night. Romney failed to pull the big states he needed to and lost much of his vote to Huckabee.

The inevitably of John McCain as our nominee is becoming increasingly evident. I still hope he sticks it out though. I think our last hope is to keep it relatively close until the convention and then we conservatives can raise so much hell something will have to be done.

Outside of that I think that perhaps the next best option will be to vote for Obama if he makes it so we can sit back and let the Democrats take the blame for ruining the country instead of us.

If it comes down to Hillary and McCain. I'll probably write in Daffy Duck or something.

I just thought I'd offer up this opinion for those of you mulling who the best conservative choice might be:

American Conservative

Well, if the breaking news is true and Romney is withdrawing from the race today, we are all in trouble.

This is very sad news and is devastating to Conservatives everywhere. Now we have nowhere to turn.

It's coming down to McCain vs Hillary or McCain vs Obama.

God help us all.

I do not see a 'True Conservative Choice' in this election. If we were to take all of the Republican candidates and picked the best parts there may be a Ronald Reagan, but RR was not the ideal conservative candidate. I guess this discussion depends on what people value more of a conservative candidate. If its homeland security.... maybe McCain.... or economics.... Romney, but overall I think the Republican party is not looking hard enough for a conservative candidate. Some would say that Ron Paul is closer to old school conservatism, others disagree.

The True Conservative Candidate is out there..... but he/she is not on stage with the rest of them in my opinion. In all honesty, I would rather see a True Conservative than any of the front runners.