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A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However he should not penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister.
Originally posted by ShiftTrio
LOL. there is some funny stuff there.
But we should point out for all the people with Anti Christian agendas (not saying anyone here but..) People like to use these articles to speak for all Christians, when in fact I would bet 90% of Christians believe in evolution and think these people are loons. Even the priests growing up believed in evolution.
So please do not say Christians think this, just a very small percentage of disturbed ignorant people who use good teachings to further a bad agenda.
Just recently my son Bobby came out to me. I had been worried for awhile. His teachers said most of his grades were slipping and he seemed depressed and withdrawn.
Bobby said he'd been hiding it for awhile because he was afraid I would reject him. I sat him down and told him that I loved him and that God loved him, but that his salvation was in danger if he did not resist his unnatural tempations. I told him how being gay would mean he would live a shorter life, and that if he couldnt change his orientation he could be celibate like most the ex-gays are. He started crying saying something along the lines of "I knew you wouldnt understand! You're just like everyone else!" before running to his room and slamming the door.
Originally posted by Comma8Comma1
I'm sure some of these quotes are merely trolls looking to stir up the jebus pot
but I dug a little on one of the post authors and had myself a pretty good laugh.
It seems God's Warrior, Shelby Corbitt wrote a book titled "2007".
Why 2007? well that's when the RAPTURE is coming.
No, everyone is born Christian. Only later in life do people choose to stray from Jesus and worship satan instead. Atheists have the greatest "cover" of all, they insist they believe in no god yet most polls done and the latest research indicates that they are actually a different sect of Muslims.
What does a functioning brain have to do with the Bible?
Originally posted by Legalizer
The christians are really out of their mind, and even if its children posting, its
the parents and the church's fault these kids are so god damned ignorant.
Originally posted by Legalizer
Because all you idiot christians believe the same lame fairy tales and promote them world wide.
Originally posted by Comma8Comma1
Why get so bent out of shape about it?
If people are anti-christian or anti-religion, so what?
Life's too short to drink cheap....no wait...that's something else.
Oh well, life's just too short, get over it.
Originally posted by ShiftTrio
LOL. there is some funny stuff there.
But we should point out for all the people with Anti Christian agendas (not saying anyone here but..) People like to use these articles to speak for all Christians, when in fact I would bet 90% of Christians believe in evolution and think these people are loons. Even the priests growing up believed in evolution.
So please do not say Christians think this, just a very small percentage of disturbed ignorant people who use good teachings to further a bad agenda.
Thanks for listening!
Originally posted by Frontkjemper
Oh gee! Did ya'll hear about that Muslim Terrorist that drove a plane into a tower? Wow, ALL Muslims must be terrorists then!
Most afflictions like this are caused by sins committed while still inside the womb. If she can repent for what she does god will embrace her and make her as human as you or me but if she chooses not to she'll always be like this
Originally posted by XyZeR
Wow i never thought i would get this much reaction with this thread. It's obvious that for the most part intelligent people can see the difference between regular christians and extremists. Yet judging from some of the reactions, a lot of the posters feel attacked for some reason....
Originally posted by XyZeR
I never meant to attack anyone with this thread, i made it to point out, that certain elements within the "cristian" movement are (becoming) extremist, which is always dangerous.
Dismissing evolution is dangerous.
Originally posted by XyZeR
For those who replied to this thread stating you "don't "believe " in evolution" I have a suggestion for you guys. Since the (scientific) theory of evolution is all a load of bull to you, i suggest you never ever see a doctor again, or make use of modern day western medicines, because: a lot of medicines are made using science, which you guys seem to have for not corresponding with your beliefs.
Modern medicine has its roots in biology, which in it's turn has it roots in: the theory of evolution. So next time you're sick, whether it be a simple cold or cancer, let your "god" heal you, and don't go to those evil docters ! (because hey, they "believe" in evolution.)
Originally posted by XyZeR
to end my post i would like to repost this brilliant analogy:
I liken the debate to a jigsaw puzzle that does not have its picture on the box.
Science is trying to put it together, while religious dogma is looking over his shoulder.
Dogma feels strongly that the resulting picture will be a unicorn, while Science has speculated a hypothesis based on viewing the individual pieces that the picture is of a bear.
The more Science puts it together, the more the puzzle begins to look like a bear.
Dogma begins to get more and more upset. "I don't know why you're bothering, it's obviously a unicorn!" he chortles.
Science shrugs, and continues assembling the pieces. The picture begins to look even more like a bear, until it's almost unmistakable.
Every once in a while, Science will have to correct an error and move a piece. Religion shrieks with glee at this. "See?! You put that piece in the wrong place! Your wishful thinking that it's a bear made you make a mistake! Since you're wrong, I am therefore right, and the picture is of a unicorn!"
"But what about all the other pieces I did get right? Can't you see by the rest of them it's obviously a bear?" replies Science.
"You just don't want to admit it's a unicorn! Your arrogance is getting in the way!" screams Dogma lividly.
Science just shrugs, and continues with the puzzle.
Originally posted by XyZeR
Wow i never thought i would get this much reaction with this thread. It's obvious that for the most part intelligent people can see the difference between regular christians and extremists. Yet judging from some of the reactions, a lot of the posters feel attacked for some reason....
I never meant to attack anyone with this thread, i made it to point out, that certain elements within the "cristian" movement are (becoming) extremist, which is always dangerous.
Dismissing evolution is dangerous.
"From: "Andrew Boyle"
To: "Positive Atheism"
Subject: Are There Values In Religion That We, As Atheists, Are Missing? Date: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 11:02 PM
Even today, religion impedes the advance of science and the betterment of the human race. Genetic experiments on human beings have been outlawed for "ethical" (read moral) considerations.
"The right thinking and intelligent people of the Earth must no longer tolerate the Tyranny of the religious! To regard religion as a harmless eccentricity is a deadly error of the first order: Religion is a world plague! It is the mental retardation of the human race: a tumor in the brain of humanity, a tumor which must be excised!
It is the duty of the enlightened to mercilessly attack the benighted enemy
Religion in All its Forms must Be Destroyed!
www.positiveatheism.org..."
"
"From: "Fred Hermon"
To: "Positive Atheism"
Subject:
Date: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 10:45 AM
I'm 55 years old. If someday I'm on my death bed and fundies approach me I intend to have an aluminum baseball bat under the sheets with which to beat the living crap out of them!"
"From:
To: "Positive Atheism"
Subject: Re: Coping with Christmas --
Date: Saturday, December 02, 2000 12:51 PM
I personally don't observe any holidays but I don't see why atheists cannot "hijack" Christmas/Yule from those who hijacked it from the pagans. Instead of it being a day to celebrate religious convictions we can observe the holiday as a day of recognition of people's belief in non-existent beings or patently absurd ideas. We could keep Santa Claus as our icon/mascot (or perhaps put bigfoot in a santa hat) and come up with our own carols and stories ("The twelve days of Roswell" or "Deck the halls -- then deck Pat Robertson" -- you get the idea)."
"Christianity has a long history of violence, oppression, and imperialism. Are we supposed to believe that those kinds of activities will suddenly stop? I have been moving further away from the classic "live and let live" attitude and closer toward a "Let's extinguish the scourge of religion from the face of the planet -- we'll all be better off." But these are two extremes within a very wide range.
I am finding it harder and harder to politely listen to people spout off about God, being blessed, etc. I am more frequently challenging people (as part of casual dialog, as friendly as possible) on their beliefs. We all know that the theistic standpoint is not defensible, and it crumbles rather quickly in the face of reason. That's why there's so much talk about faith. That's why it must be constantly reaffirmed. However, people seem singularly unwilling to relinquish this security blanket. That's really up to them, but I believe theological forces play a sinister role in society, and serve only to restrict society's growth.
www.positiveatheism.org..."
"Mary:
If there was a god who would protect me, my loved ones, and everyone else on earth, that would be marvelous. I'd love to see an end to the news stories in the paper and on tv about people who've been murdered or killed in accidents or by diseases. That would all certainly stop if my pretend god existed. And then no one would have to cry when someone died because we would all know that that person was going to heaven -- no loving god would send his/her children to fry ... the children would be forgiven no matter what and end up in heaven
www.positiveatheism.org..."
"Jessica:
I think it is too much for us to comprehend about god or life after death or anything of the sort. Who really knows what is real and what isn't. For all we know we could be someone's dream or someone's science project. I mean are we really real? Think about it. What if everything you believed in was false? It is really hard for me to think about your question because I don't know what to believe and I don't know. I hear so many different stories and some make sense and some don't. I believe a lot of religious beliefs are false such as the rapture and # like that. I mean if there was a god and people that weren't saved would be damned to an eternity of hell and not be allowed into heaven wouldn't that make the devil more powerful than god? I mean 99 percent of the world wouldn't go to heaven or when the saved people were suppose to fly away when the rapture came about there would be a hell of a lot more people on earth than in heaven. I mean so much about religion doesn't make sense. I prefer to look at everything from a more open mind and not so close-minded as most religions and their beliefs. What is god really and what is religion? Also I this world is really horrible in certain ways such as poverty and murder and all sorts of sins. Since god is suppose to know everything why would he create and let us corrupt ourselves and why would he create the world and everything in it by destroying his creation with damning most people to hell and stuff like that. I don't know what to believe anymore and god just doesn't seem real to me anymore like he use to because it seems that my prayers are never answered and religious beliefs just don't make sense. Especially ones that tell you how to eat and to dress and crazy stuff like that. Religion is not suppose to be like a dictatorship.
I mean are we really real?"
"Ted:
This is really what we (humankind) has done, isn't it? If I now had a choice about it I would much prefer not to have any (God). I would , I am sure, find myself in endless arguments with Him over His decisions, and would constantly be asking "Now why did You do that?" I am not good at just surrendering my own judgement to saying "I guess I just can't fathom your ways, but it must be okay because you're God! I haven't even learned to do that with my wife. I only see it making my life more complex and unhappy. "
"I always want to answer your questions but I never have been good at putting my thoughts onto paper -- but for this one I think it deserves at least a try.
I cannot imagine anything better than our world. We may have troubles and we have no one but ourselves to blame but on the other side of the coin -- we have a world and a universe so wide and full that we can appreciate and marvel at. It is world where we have the power to wonder and explore: our minds, each other's minds, the universe. There are no answers unless we believe them, we find them. I would say that having a God would only make our lives less exciting, unanswerable questions would be automatically answered -- "It is God's will, God created it." We would no longer search for the beauty that is in each atom, each relationship. We are not a species that should be led like lambs in a herd. The greatest thing about an unanswered question, a puzzling prospect is that we hold the power of curiosity, the power to ponder and dig deeper to find the truth. I think that a world where a God would exist would take this away. We would lose what makes us human."
"March 14, 2002
Yes. If there was a god this world would be an infinitely better place. A personal god who cared for His or Her creation would be too wonderful to imagine: no war, famine, or disease. Imagine that!
Imagine a god who existed and did not hide Itself from us?
Of course I would reject any god who threatens people with eternal pain and torture.
Gregory
"From: "Positive Atheism"
To:
Subject: Re: WebMaster:_Positive_Atheism_Index
Date: Sunday, December 12, 1999 12:06 PM
Please remember that an atheist does not necessarily state "There is no God." The traditional definition for "atheist" is one who lacks a god-belief (for whatever reason). In this sense, if one is not a theist, he or she is an atheist.
You can see this view defended quite handsomely in George H. Smith's article, "Defining Atheism." and I suggest that you at least puruse this piece and its companion so that you don't fall into the trap that many theists (and agnostics) do in defining atheism as the positive belief that no gods exist. "
"Somehow, we need a humanist community churchoid organization if the movement is ever going to grow. I think growth and the promotion of atheist identification, that is, having people who would be willing and happy to say they belong to such and such a humanist organization because it is doing something they enjoy, is a worthwhile goal and one of the best ways to undermine church and Christian influence"