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LOVE This Topic! ThankQ! S&F!
"This is a brand new thing" and "This is a new new age thing"
Nope. Its not new at all. It used to be underground or "occult science" or "secret science". Take for example the 1930s book called
"Thoughtforms" by Leadbeater/Besant (Theosophists) which teaches that thoughts can densify and become physical matter. But its even older than that.
As far back as the 3rd Century kabbalists were talking about "visualizing things in order to create them" (see for example interpretations of the
ancient book sefer yeritzah)
This is not a new idea or concept though.....you are very accurate & open minded. I like that.
I would like to relate an experience however, just to get your theoretic response on it for I do not believe there is a true
logical/scientific/religious explanation despite having witnessed and been a part of it. Yet I do understand it, just not the same way as most people
would as I am not of religious beliefs or non religious beliefs either way and remain indifferent to both inspite of this old/ancient phenomena's
fairly frequent occurrences.
Deep breath lol! Now:
I HAD to take 8 years of Theology as part of my University course as well as Aboriginal Studies, ( Which I believe should be called Multiple Cultural
Studies for that is truly what it entails ), to better understand people on a somewhat more personal level which actually is very useful and I am
disappointed they are now only an asset, not mandatory, albeit they are not why I am not of religious beliefs or non religious beliefs either way and
remain indifferent to both.
We were taught 1 that encompasses it all though we were taught a different spelling and somewhat different meaning.
Ellegory. = According to the Pentecostal Reverend Linklater and the Hopi Natives/Star Children and other native tribes, True Ellegory is ONE
collective THOUGHT enmass, that manifests into the reallity of a GROUP thought such as rain dances, a group dancing, thinking or chanting ONE prayer
for rain and the rain will manifest into a reality, or in Faith Healing/ridding people of bad health, home situations, etc, by a Group of a
congregation, ALL linking hands into a linked circle ALL with ONE thought or chanting prayer for whichever person in the circles center of whom needs
the healing of health or unstable, oft dangerous problems, and that ONE ELLEGORY of thought or chanted prayers for the person in the center until it
' manifests into a reality and that person is healed mind, body, heart and soul, or a sudden drastic change occurs for the improvement or
disappearance of that person's potentially dangerous, otherwise difficult woes.
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NOT Allegory.
al·le·go·ry
ˈaləˌgôrē/Submit
noun
1.
a story, poem, or picture that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one.
"Pilgrim's Progress is an allegory of the spiritual journey"
synonyms: parable, analogy, metaphor, symbol, emblem More
In the history of Biblical exegesis allegory represents a distinct type of interpretation, dating back to pre-Christian times, practiced
particularly by the Alexandrian Jews, and adopted by the early Church Fathers and still practiced and defended by the Roman Catholic church. This
method insists that the literal sense, particularly of historical passages, does not exhaust the divinely purposed meaning of such passages, but that
these latter also include a deeper and higher spiritual and mystical sense. The fourfold sense ascribed to the Scriptures finds its expression in the
well-known saying:
Littera gesta docet; quid credas, allegorica; moralis, quid agas, quid speres, anagogica ("The letter shows things done; what you are to believe, the
allegoric; what you are to do, the moral; what you are to hope, the anagogic"), according to which the allegorical is the hidden dogmatical meaning
to be found in every passage.
In the history of Biblical exegesis allegory represents a distinct type of interpretation, dating back to
pre-Christian times, practiced particularly by the Alexandrian Jews, and adopted by the early Church Fathers and still practiced and defended by the
Roman Catholic church. This method insists that the literal sense, particularly of historical passages, does not exhaust the divinely purposed meaning
of such passages, but that these latter also include a deeper and higher spiritual and mystical sense. The fourfold sense ascribed to the Scriptures
finds its expression in the well-known saying:
Littera gesta docet; quid credas, allegorica; moralis, quid agas, quid speres, anagogica ("The letter shows things done; what you are to believe, the
allegoric; what you are to do, the moral; what you are to hope, the anagogic"), according to which the allegorical is the hidden dogmatical meaning
to be found in every passage.
al•le•go•ry (ˈæl əˌgɔr i, -ˌgoʊr i)
n., pl. -ries.
1. the representation of spiritual, moral, or other abstract meanings through the actions of fictional characters that serve as symbols.
2. an allegorical or figurative narrative, poem, or the like: the allegory of Piers Plowman.
3. emblem (def. 3).
[1350–1400; Middle English < Latin allēgoria < Greek allēgoría, derivative of allēgoreîn to speak so as to imply something other = all- all- +
-ēgorein to speak (see category)]
Random House Kernerman Webster's College Dictionary, © 2010 K Dictionaries Ltd. Copyright 2005, 1997, 1991 by Random House, Inc. All rights
reserved.
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Bibliography Information
Orr, James, M.A., D.D. General Editor. "Entry for 'ALLEGORY'". "International Standard Bible Encyclopedia". 1915.
I thought myself an atheist or agnostic. I didn't know that though I'd been baptized Roman Catholic, that I was neither. I was/am merely
indifferent. I am the way I want to be. I always, right from my 1st spanking at 9 months old & up, never liked ANYTHING forced on me. It is my 1st
memory. Someone had littered on the floor of our family business. It was a toy. I WAS going to pick it up, look at it, maybe play with it if I
liked it. Then I was going to hand it over to one of my now late parents. NOBODY ever understood how difficult it had been on me having a mostly
absent Father while he worked away from the business/home till it was all paid off and a mostly absent Mother who left me alone in the house part of
our business while working in it, having about 10 different relatives pop in and out on me till the boy who was already a serial killer by age 12,
also no deceased, would get out of school and come baby sit me till the business closed at 3 or 4 am. I was lucky he thought of me as a baby sister
he never did get. He talked though out doing his homework, cooking, cleaning and play games with me as like today, I never did sleep much to the
annoyance of my parents.
So my parents, upon my birth, found out they'd never be able to have more children together, decided I would never become, " One of those spoiled
only child type person. I must have learned things from the boy who babysat me.
So because my parents didn't know it wasn't my toy, tried to make me pick it up. Even though I'd been about to, once they told me to, I refused.
I think it was their tone. I had just began walking, and tried to walk away but my Mom held me and my Dad spanked me. I was out of diapers already
so it hurt but I wouldn't let the see me cry and didn't. I'm sure I didn't understand any principals for my behavior yet though. When one parent
was there the other wasn't. Both Alcoholics, my Mom an addict. I got blamed for EVERYTHING wrong, never credited for ANYTHING good, leading to many
spankings, groundings, all girls Roman Catholic School, me running away from it at 14 and an arranged marriage at 15 to an alcohol, mean, abusive,
slut, Minister's spoiled, troublesome son, ending in divorce and 2 little girls by 28. Got my life together, University, great job, only to be
struck with Multiple Scleroses which may be be L.E.M.S instead, yet I prevail, and at 49.5, no respect for whiners.
So early in an already bad marriage, I was a volunteer at an old folks personal care home after school and on weekends.
One Sunday I was asked to bring 5 old folks to the Pentecostal Church for a special service.
That service was 4 hours of their definition of Ellegory.
Not only did I witness it being reality, I was made to be part of the circle and to enter the circle by a friend.
I felt the power of unity almost like electricity and I got a scholarship for 4 years of collage to 1 great job, then another scholarship to 4 years
of total University in the same field, to another great job enabling me to take my 2 little girls and divorcing the guy I was married to. Things were
great for 31+ years before falling apart in 2001 May 6th.
Even though my ex-husband had my girls baptized at 6 months old, I let them decide whether or not they wanted to attend. They tried in their early
teens and I naturally attended with them, though Saturdays was Pentecostal and Sundays were Anglican.
One daughter kept going to the Anglican Church and had my 1 Grandson and Grand-Daughter baptized there at 6 months 2 years apart. My daughter is far
from an Angel and though I don't like thinking it, never mind saying it, she is a hypocritical, trouble inducing, has everything alcoholic, secret
addict, cheating wife who pays no mind to her very intelligent children, married to a guy just like herself, yet she is not happy or satisfied despite
life being a cat walk for her, never letting on how hard I had to work keeping her out of juvie and then jail, ungrateful I used every contact I had
to keep her uncharged and free. She's the one who looks like me but is her father and my parents,
My other daughter only went to the Pentecostal church till no longer interested in summer camp held close enough she could sneak off to Classic Rock
week with her friends and other activities they used to bring the young in, in hopes they'll continue. her life revolves around her children, my
other Grand-Daughter, Grandson, fiance,( As she divorced the creep her father insisted she marry of whom is just like him), her home, not rich but
very community orientated, happy, and is leaving baptisms up to her children when they are old enough to decide for themselves and remains like me and
close to me even though I am no longer the girls bank. She is not clingy like her sister used to be, she has never been in serious trouble and strives
hard for what she wants as I did, not expecting everything handed to her on a silver platter. She's the one who looks like her father in a very
petite way, yet is mainly me and my late father in his latter years.
They are different as day and night, they used to look identical but now one is like Marilyn Monroe and fair, while the other is more similar in
appearance to Judy Garland and darker.
Yet they were raised the same.
Yet all in all, WE were the ones who've made thing we want manifest. By the way we act, the things we do, the 3 of us can picture what we want and
obtain it. However, it is not out of Majick. It is STILL under our understanding of Ellegory. In other words we decide, not actually wish, we set
goal we know we are capable of, WE strive toward our goals till they manifest, we don't sit back waiting.
All aspects of the 3 constants in life, ( We are born, we live as best as we can, we die ), understanding our mistakes are our own, our achievements
our our own, how easy it can be to fall into routines and cycles, trials and tribulations, and if all the roads and paths are filled with hurdles,
going around and or over them, and though the respect of our peers can lift us up, we can live without it if it means injustices need be to gain them.
We know we are human with flaws and faults and we know we are not better than others, that our lives have purpose we may never fully understand for
life is too short to sweat the little things no matter their impact and anyting IS possible. And Karma is very real in the now.
After 3 years bound to a wheel chair, I've been out of it, walking for the last 8, but knowing people were pulling for me along with me, helped
largely, yet knowing I could be back in it at anytime, strive not to be, that we all have a number and when it's called, it is what it is so enjoy
whatever joys life brings no matter how small for there may not be many at all, and we could be gone any moment, day, week, month, year, and though we
may not exactly know when, there is a when which we have an idea of but don't say though we know ....... And if were strong we see it through anyway
we can even through suffering, one smile can make it all worthwhile. If we are weak, we 1st rely on others or give in and die without suicide. So
knowing we can will our own demise, why not will our lives?
My paternal great Grand-Father used to say, " Maybe Yesterday, Maybe Tomorrow." I understand that. Do you?