Huckabee: 'We have signed up to be part of God's Army, to be soldiers for Christ'

Originally posted by AllSeeingI


I am afraid Huckabee could turn out to be the perfect Republican canidate in terms of electablitly. He is fanatically religious and would without a doubt further blur the line between church and state. IMHO all major religions are bunk and I feel frustration at the persistance of the billions of followers in the world. In the USA these fools may help elect another religious idiot to the Presidency which will only further delay the progress of humanity and science.

Allow me to say I agree with you,

and allow me to say I disagree with you.

You're right, Huckabee would be a terrible President, and would be much of the same "West vs Islam" crap, except this time it would be genuine, it least on the side of the West, religiously genuine. Up to now its been nations vs religious extremists, then it would become religious nation vs religious extremists, a much more volatile situation. At least the troops would have more motivation? lol.

So I dont want him in. I've wanted Obama in since he gave the keynote speech for John Kerry at the Democratic Primary in 2004. I said to my now ex-girlfriend as we watched in awe, "That is going to be the next President. He sounds like Martin Luther King Jr!", Lol. Then we wished HE was the candidate, because his speech blew away Kerry's, and Clinton's.

But if Billary got the nominaton, I'd vote on the Republican side, or consider it, especially for Ron Paul. .. I almost wrote Romni by accident, Ron and Romni are too similarly written.

It's true though, what Huckabee said about being a Christian. Allow me to explain.. [SNIP]
You see, when you aren't a Christian, then become one, it's kinda weird. The rest of your life is pre-Christian in a sense, including your habits, behaviors, actions, relationships, and so forth. Back then, you thought all that stuff was okay to do and okay to act like that, now you know better and feel obligated.

So .. you slowly, even subconciously remove these things, people, and relationships from your life, and its painful. it really hurts. I mean think about it, you've been with the same person for over 4 years and then you break up, mainly because your behavior changed for the better and your partner was jealous, and also discouraged your faith because they had none? see, it all works itself out, you dont have to make the choices. The choices make themselves. Some things are incompatible. That is one.

And as you can and your life whirlwinds around you in change, you realize the only constant you have anymore is your self, not your ego but your self, and not only that, but its getting more and more identifiable, and more and more stronger. Before, you needed crutches, now you are walking. It hurts to walk for a while, but before you could not stand at all.

Theres a tangible "essence" around us all, and we do not know it. You start to notice the subtle things that give it away though after becoming a practicing Monotheist, or Buddhist, who are psuedo-Monotheist (hahaha, you guys are going to kill me over this one!) because even though they dont believe in "God", their teachings came from ONE man .. one teacher, one first Buddha, before the rest.

What I mean is, you'll start to notice that indeed, there is no randomness in the world. Nay, randomness cannot occur under controlled conditions, which we are in, a controlled condition. If you roll a six sided dice perfectly enough times, eventually it'll land on each side 1/6th of the time. Now let me ask, wheres the randomness in that? That is completely predictable. No matter what you do to that dice, youll eventually get a 100% predictable result.

Therefore, life is NOT like a roll of the dice.

one hundred billion dice all rolling simultaineously and repeatedly, if monitored for long enough, will produce the exact same result at least once every X number of dice throws.

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In reality there is no real sure-fire winner for the president right now. Because they all want to get rich off the American People. They do not want to help us, Now if you want a Real American President, Vote for me!!!

As President I will sit down with my financial advisor's and find a way to bring in the money by legalizing 1-3 herbs , to help the dollar.
Next I would create jobs in factories, so we can build up a stronger nation, by making space ships.
Also I would put up a fence on the south border, but along every 5 mile stretch have a entry way for people to come in. So that way we will be able to let workers come in. etc.

Thats what I want my president to do.
So if you don't like the current people, write in my name on the ballot.

Now to the Topic at hand, we do not need another religious fanatic in office, he may not even be Christian. But he is fanatical as it seems.

I still think its funny how people still hate Satanists, but preach about religious freedom, so what if someone believes in Satan, God, Allah, Buddha, Shiva, Ra, Zeus, Thor. Everyone is entitled to their own views. And if they keep it to themselves, and it does not bother you, so freaking what.

"Yawns" same ole' same ole' this guy has a glass jaw his stance is worce than McCains on immigration and his voting record is more horrible than the rest of the schmucks they have runnig not to mention the talking heads making these guys look like saints all knowing the general population does not take time to get themselves informed about anything and only going by the fact of hes a christian or hes black or even I gona vote for Hillary because she is a female.....

Not to smart......I think folks need to go do their research and then decide before they spend their vote on someone they will be unhappy with later....Bush ring a bell??? I do not know how many people I have talked to and they say they voted for him and now they are so unhappy about what he has done.....It is the same story people are not wking up.....

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the sad thing is, just like every other election, there are no candidates worth voting for, except for the obvious...

but they don't have much of a shot we're being told.

Huckabee said the militant sounding stuff because he was giving a sermon to a bunch of supporters to his campaign, who were also hard Christians. Of course they're going to take to such language. Bush took it in 2000 similarly if you remember or not.

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Actually Bush took religious links in 2004. thats where most of his votes came during that election year and support, even preachers were backing him up while preaching to their flocks.

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Where has Huckabee called for extremism? You're taking the wrong interpretation of what a "Christian Soldier" really means. He's referring to spritual battle, not literal physical, earthly violence. Here's the lyrics to a Hymm which may give more insight to his perspective.

Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
with the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
forward into battle see his banners go!
Refrain:
Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
with the cross of Jesus going on before.

2. At the sign of triumph Satan's host doth flee;
on then, Christian soldiers, on to victory!
Hell's foundations quiver at the shout of praise;
brothers, lift your voices, loud your anthems raise.
(Refrain)

3. Like a mighty army moves the church of God;
brothers, we are treading where the saints have trod.
We are not divided, all one body we,
one in hope and doctrine, one in charity.
(Refrain)

4. Crowns and thrones may perish, kingdoms rise and wane,
but the church of Jesus constant will remain.
Gates of hell can never gainst that church prevail;
we have Christ's own promise, and that cannot fail.
(Refrain)

5. Onward then, ye people, join our happy throng,
blend with ours your voices in the triumph song.
Glory, laud, and honor unto Christ the King,
this through countless ages men and angels sing.

All the ranting and raving about God and Christ.

Why is it no one rants and raves about Allah and Mohammad or, Krishna, or, Buddha, etc.?

All I have to say is, wait until the Muslims have taken control of the country. And you thought Christians were, uh, threatening? When that day comes, one remark abourt Allah and they will track your IP address down and meet you at your door with a machete!

Originally posted by Sentinel 1
"Yawns" same ole' same ole' this guy has a glass jaw his stance is worce than McCains on immigration

Well he did a few things in the past that would make that schmuck Navarette proud, but his most recent plan is just about right:

www.swamppolitics.com...

I don't see how he can be worse than Clinton who just keeps mum on immigration. If Huckabee is at least not scared to use the "d" word (deportation), he's worth looking at.

I recommend this be read by all. It's from slate magazine regarding the man of the hour (Huckabee).

www.slate.com...

Originally posted by budski
In all honesty, this guy sounds like an al'qaeda recruiter - the only real difference is that he seems to be calling for christians to become extremists on a large scale.

Church and state holding hands = war

Exactly what I was thinking. He sounds much like an islamic extremist except that he calls on christian.

Well, actually its all the same, religion crusades rhetoric usually goes like this: We have signed up to be in ----insert god here----'s army and to be ----insert prophet here----'s soldier. We will defeat the ----insert infidels here-----

hope you are all ready for mike huckabees fir and brimstone ending if he becomes president. As he is a soldier of god im sure he sees it as his duty to carry out the book of revelations and usher everyone into the kingdom of heaven. very scary

Onward Christian soldiers--oh boy, that'll win him lots of blue-state votes.

This is the putative GOP frontrunner?

Then you have Mister 9/11, who wants to continue to scare us to death another 4 years, that Ted Danson Mormon guy who looks like he was popped out of a bubble pack, and tired ole Honest John, who hugged W twice too many times.

Not looking pretty.

Give me a break!!! Have any of you guys ever studied the origins of religion? Its a freakin' farce - a means to control. Religion has done more damage then any other entity with regards to scientific advancement, etc.

Oh, and here's a clue - Jesus doesn't exist, neither does Satan, or God for that matter. It is what it is... I'd rather have an atheist in office ANY day then a freakin' religio...


McCain is a flip flopper, Huckabee a religio, Romney a religio, Obama weak, Hitlary nuts - the only good candidate is Paul.

Who is Barack Obama?

Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHEIST from Wichita, Kansas.
Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. Hi s father returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia.?
When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocate to Indonesia. Obama attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a Catholic school.

Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is quick to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic school."

Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that that he is not a radical.

Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's education.

Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta.

Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world. Since it is politically expedient to be a
CHRISTIAN when seeking major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background. ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he
DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran.

Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegiance nor will he show any reverence for our flag. While others place their hands over their hearts, Obama turns his back to the flag and slouches.

Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential candidacy.

The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the President of the United States, one of their own!!!!

Ron Paul 2008!



Ron Paul on Jay Leno 1/07/2008
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More Reasons to Beware of Mike Huckabee

By Pastor Chuck Baldwin

November 27, 2007
NewsWithViews.com

Many Christian conservatives see Mike Huckabee as the best candidate to deliver the GOP from an impending pro-abortion presidential nomination of either Rudy Giuliani or Mitt Romney. Huckabee is doing especially well in Iowa, particularly among evangelicals. Is Mike Huckabee worthy of this support, however? The facts say no.

I have already attempted to warn my evangelical brethren as to the dangers of supporting Mike Huckabee. However, that first column was just the tip of the proverbial iceberg. Here are more reasons to beware of Mike Huckabee.

Robert Novak recently wrote a column about Mike Huckabee entitled, "The False Conservative." In the column he said, "Huckabee is campaigning as a conservative, but serious Republicans know that he is a high-tax, protectionist, big-government advocate of a strong hand in the Oval Office directing the lives of Americans."

Novak also said, "There is no doubt about Huckabee's record during a decade in Little Rock as governor. . . He increased the Arkansas tax burden by 47 percent, boosting the levies on gasoline and cigarettes."

Novak continued saying, "Quin Hillyer, a former Arkansas journalist writing in the conservative American Spectator, called Huckabee 'a guy with a thin skin, a nasty vindictive streak.' Huckabee's retort was to attack Hillyer's journalistic procedures, fitting a mean-spirited image when he responds to conservative criticism."

Calling Huckabee a proponent of big-government is an understatement. "If you listen closely, all the things he supports increase the size, power and cost of government. From subsidies for energy research to increasing money for health care and government housing, the size, power, and cost of government will not shrink under a President Mike Huckabee; they will increase . . . Mr. Huckabee swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution when he became governor, yet many of his proposals are clearly unconstitutional." (Source: David Ulrich, Letter of the Week, World Net Daily, 10/26/07)

In addition, Dr. Jerome Corsi reports that "Financial inducements arranged by former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee to establish a Mexican consular office in Little Rock may have violated state law, according to an Arkansas attorney."

Writing for World Net Daily, Dr. Corsi exposed the fact that Mike Huckabee "worked with some of the state's most prominent and politically powerful businesses to establish the [Mexican] consulate as a magnet for drawing illegal immigrants to the state to accept low-paying jobs."

Corsi goes on to report that "Arkansas attorney Chip Sexton provided WND a written legal brief arguing the state government's sublease to Mexico of office space for the consulate was illegal under Arkansas law. Sexton contended the deal raised questions about the appropriateness of private citizens and corporations in Arkansas providing financial incentives for the government of Mexico to locate a consulate office in Little Rock."

Corsi also writes that "Robert Trevino, commissioner of Arkansas Rehabilitation Services, told WND he and Huckabee helped arrange state and private financial support to induce Mexico to establish the consulate as a business development 'quid pro quo.'

"Trevino signed on July 7, 2006, a 'Facilities Use Agreement' with Mexican consular officials to rent state government office space for $1 a year on the second floor of the Arkansas Rehabilitation Services building at 26 Corporate Hills in Little Rock."

According to Sexton, not only did subleasing state government offices to Mexico violate Arkansas state law under Ark. Code Ann. 22-2-114(C)(i) which provides: "After July 1, 1975, no state agency shall enter into or renew or otherwise negotiate a lease between itself as lessor or lessee and a nongovernmental or other government lessor or lessee," but it was even more offensive in that "there was nothing in the lease or other agreements that would have prevented the Mexican consulate from providing legal assistance to illegal aliens."

In addition, Corsi also exposed the fact that Mike Huckabee worked with Mexican President Vicente Fox to help provide cheap Mexican labor for Tyson foods and other large Arkansas corporations. According to Corsi, "Trevino confirmed he was state director of the League of United Latin American Citizens, also known as LULAC, an activist group strongly advocating for the rights of Hispanic immigrants in the U.S., when on Oct. 3, 2003, he accompanied Huckabee in a state airplane to visit [President Vicente] Fox in Mexico."

There is more.

The American Spectator reported that "Fourteen times, the ethics commission--a respected body, not a partisan witch-hunt group--investigated claims against Huckabee. Five of those times, it officially reprimanded him. And as only MSNBC among the big national media has reported at an real length, there were lots of other mini-scandals and embarrassments along the way."

Plus, writing for The Washington Times, Greg Pierce quoted Hillyer as saying, "[Huckabee] used public money for family restaurant meals, boat expenses, and other personal uses. He tried to claim as his own some $70,000 of furniture donated to the governor's mansion. He repeatedly, and obstinately, against the pleadings even from conservative columnists and editorials, refused to divulge the names of donors to a 'charitable' organization he set up while lieutenant governor--an outfit whose main charitable purpose seemed to be to pay Huckabee to make speeches. Then, as a kicker, he misreported the income itself from the suspicious 'charity.'"

Mike Huckabee's beliefs and actions even border on the bizarre. According to David Keene, Chairman of the American Conservative Union, "GOP presidential wannabe Mike Huckabee suggested that as president he would, for the good of the people, support a federal anti-smoking law. You see, as governor, Huckabee supported such laws because, well, he doesn't like smoking and doesn't think folks should indulge in so heath-threatening an activity. If he could move on up to the presidency, he would continue his abolitionist crusade at the national level without giving much, if any, thought to the question of whether the Constitution or anything else would legitimize a federal ban on smoking."

I have yet one more word of warning for those evangelicals supporting Huckabee because he is pro-life: Mike Huckabee will most definitely support Rudy Giuliani should Giuliani obtain the Republican nomination. Count on it.

I ask you, how could a committed "pro-life" conservative support a pro-abortion, pro-gay rights, pro-gun control liberal such as Rudy Giuliani? He couldn't.

At the end of the day, however, there is absolutely no question that Huckabee will support Giuliani (or any other pro-abortion Republican), because, when all is said and done, Huckabee and his fellow big-government Republicans have no real commitment to the life issue or to any other conservative principle.

Let's say it plainly: Mike Huckabee is just another big-government, establishment politician who will do nothing to stem the tide of socialism or fascism (pick your poison) emanating from Washington, D.C., these days.

Dear Christian friend, don't be duped by Mike Huckabee.

© 2007 Chuck Baldwin

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I agree with some of the earlier posts stating that religion is holding back humanity. If not for the dark ages we would be hundreds of years more advanced than we are now and would probably be colonizing planets and such. If we advanced even a hundred years beyond what we are now, most people wouldn't even believe religion anymore, or at least not in its current structure or current regimes.
What is so important about the crusades that they can't simply end it once and for all? Unless there is advanced ancient tech, or libraries of ancient knowledge in the holy land then what possible modern day reason do they have to fight over it?
Soldiers of Christ? Not me, not my family. Nice try though but i believe in science and reality.

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I agree with many points here. His economic record and criminal justice records are pretty weak - certainly not what a conservative would want in a candidate. He reminds me a little of Jimmy Carter, which is pretty scary.
I'd still prefer him to any of the democrats though, as they'd expand the government/taxes at least as much.

Well, I hope that the forum does not mind, but afterall it is such a degree of a question, that it all stems from a lack of communication.

So, was the answer given a couple of decades ago? Yes, it is one of the 500 rated best songs ever -- and at the time -- viewed probably to be Radical. But then one has to consider who deems it through his/her opinion to be "Radical"! What the heck is he (I am) talking about?

Perhaps the story first, a little of it. A boy is born, but his Dad has to go off to War, or is in a War ( only my little story, I am sure the story is included somewhere). To me, the kid is looking for some kind of love out of adults, but only finds out that the adults are kind of a bully. Those adults to me are actually placing their Fear into the kids on a whole, and this leaves the kids growing up to be treated as some kind of an adult already when of course they are only kids in the first place. Later on the kid grows up into an adult, gets in trouble with drugs, because he is a rock star and encloses himself brick by brick inside a wall. He becomes mad in a sense and kind of insane because still the world does not really understand him has a person but only sees him as what he has become - a rock star and the world looks, well phoney, to him. The movie that came out about the song is that. I still have it, but actually only watched it the other night all the way through. It was watched by quite a few people at the time it came out, I bought it for VHS in about 1982. The album came out in 1979. Of course, not all people view it as being a problem, I guess in some sense, the song and movie does in a sense represent an extreme condition about life in the sense, that any person can have many emotional feelings attached to the song and movie in the first place. Denial or Approval is not really needed by anyone, afterall it first and foremost is about Roger Waters time in school and afterall about actually his life, as he preceives it to have been. The history then, which can also be read about in this day of the Internet.

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PINK FLOYD LYRICS

"Another Brick In The Wall (Part II)"

We don't need no education
We don't need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey teacher leave them kids alone
All in all it's just another brick in the wall
All in all you're just another brick in the wall

[chorus at end by pupils from the Fourth Form Music Class Islington Green School, London]

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"We sang like the school choir," says Caroline. "They said: 'No, we don't want you to do that, we want you to sing like you're in the playground.'"

Waters says he will always remember the first time he heard the final recording of the song.
"I still have hairs standing up on my arms and everywhere just remembering the sound... hearing those kids sing."

Roger Waters – Pink Floyd

That is about it! I still have the hairs standing up on my arms and everywhere just remembering the sound - the sound of the speeches on how some political candidates actually talk in this Election. I sure Huckabee likes to play bass, but afterall, singing "Rudolph, the Red Nose Reindeeer" when I was three, it only seems to me that actually some bass players in this world, have more "Ego" than actually practical ability with music as a whole. Not all of them, but I am leary of having a Church Band, not being able to play this song. Really
I, myself, would have never thought to write a song such as Roger Waters of Pink Floyd did. I guess that is the difference then. Roger Waters had something to say.

"Teachers, leave them kids alone"!
Exactly, really we all are still kids, children of God even as Adults.

Those who actually think that they are teachers, especially in the case of ministers of a church or any other profession, we just are not here for "Thought Control".
I am sure that most people have the ability to actually think with their brain, even growing up with the negativity of this World. It is a natural thing all people do -- look for communications -- whether we think we are doing that or not.

That is why I can think if political candidates are actually meaning well or not. Perhaps they actually think that they are, but lets all not try and deceive ourselves too much in this world. Although any person can do that, at least, you ought to know at sometime in your life, if you really are doing that or not, as well as communicating or not, or just conclude that since others are doing that, you might as well do that also. Whatever anyone wishes to call it, a bass guitar does not make you any more wise than a piano or an organ or a guitar, or singing in a choir. It just makes anyone another person in this world, according to your own views about life and the general condition that makes up this world anyway.

"Hey teacher leave them (us) kids alone!"
All in All, it's just "Another Brick in the Wall"!

Thank you for your time in reading this if you read this!





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As a christain I would love thy neighbor. Help him anyway I could, and have with nothing in return. This makes since. Even if the country does not agree with you or your religion, he will see that what you stand for. Where did Jesus say slay the muslims, I did not read that anywhere. Love concurs all that. If there for we have slighted them, then we need to fix that as a nation. Talk, trade, and have meaninfull dialog. We should never ever as christains say things like you are going to hell because you believe in what you believe. Live by an example for them to follow, if they do not, its not your fault and let GOD do the fighting for you. That is what a true christain is supposed to do, instead of concurring.

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