Scientists Confirm Significant Global Cooling Coming

I think many of us expect global climate change. I also think that most of us expecting climate change were looking at either warming caused by pollution or cooling caused by a collapse of the Gulf Stream. Like soldiers we were secured in our position with our rifles pointed out over the open field. We waited patiently for the invading armies to come marching over the hill. We were poised to defend our position.

Then the tension is broke as someone taps on our collective shoulder. We turn around to find the invading army standing behind us.

It a not so amusing way this is what we are facing. Scientists have confirmed that we are facing significant global cooling as a result of what is expected to be a very weak solar cycle #25. It is also thought that the cooling could start in cycle #24. Cycle #24 starts this spring and the cooling could start within three years.

“We today confirm the recent announcement by NASA that there are historic and important changes taking place on the sun’s surface. This will have only one outcome - a new climate change is coming that will bring an extended period of deep cold to the planet. This is not however a unique event for the planet although it is critically important news to this and the next generations. It is but the normal sequence of alternating climate changes that has been going on for thousands of years. Further according to our research, this series of solar cycles are so predictable that they can be used to roughly forecast the next series of climate changes many decades in advance. I have verified the accuracy of these cycles’ behavior over the last 1,100 years relative to temperatures on Earth, to well over 90%.”

Source: Space and Science Research Center
URL: www.spaceandscience.net...

In May of 2006 NASA reported:

"The slowdown we see now means that Solar Cycle 25, peaking around the year 2022, could be one of the weakest in centuries," says Hathaway."

Source: NASA
URL: science.nasa.gov...

Unless you live in a cave and ride a bike you are fully aware of the rapidly rising energy prices. Global supplies are strained as demand continues to soar in counties like China. A cooling planet will put a bigger strain on energy supplies as the demand for heating oil, natural gas, and coal increases. Oil hit $100 per barrel for the first time ever just a day or two ago. Combining peak oil with global cooling is going to force difficult challenges up us.

But it could be worse right? Yes it could. And it may very well be. There are signs that the currents which drive our oceans could be very unstable. It appears the Gulf Stream has halted on more than one occasion in the past couple of years. With the addition of more fresh water the current could become even more unstable making it possible that it halts during the next solar minimum. I would call that about as close to a worst case scenario as possible. Something like this has the ability to thrust us into something far worse than the little ice age.

A little salt in the wound could be a global economy straining and about to crumble under the weight of debt. People will be forced to default on debt in order to pay for food and warmth. This however is the one area of all that can be corrected. Each of us on the individual level still has time to correct our personal debt load. This could help us adjust to soaring energy prices that will surely plague is for decades to come.

Panic is not necessary. We are smart enough to adapt and we have time to prepare. I'll post some ideas for dealing with this situation once people have a chance to read this and respond.

This report by SSRC was dated Jan 2, 2008 and is saying that both SSRC and NASA agree that the next sun cycles will be cooling and that there will be cooling effects on earth. They disagree on how soon the cycle will begin. They seem to base this prediction on the sun's surface currents and on sunspot numbers, apparently below 50 sunspots is a low cycle and predicts cooling.

Well, interesting, so now at least some scientists are saying we will be cooling rather than warming. I wonder how long the alarmist polititians types like Al Gore will take to change their repertoires and start blaming corporations and SUVs for global cooling? They have already started by calling it Global Climate Change rather than Global Warming. How convenient.

The first thing I expect to see come out is denial that cycle 25 will be a low sunspot cycle. Then I expect to see acknowledgment that it will be a low sunspot cycle but global warming will offset much of the effects. At least that was the game plan when it came to the possibility of the gulf stream halting.

So does Gore have to give his well (un)-deserved Nobel back? Just curious because his theory is complete bunk IMHO, and this adds a little more credence to what I believed in the first place.

reply to post by Indy

I'd like to make some kinda crack about them making up their minds, (Is it hot or cold already?) But this is interesting data, thanks for the post.

We can probably leave Gore out of this discussion. Whether he is due a prize or not isn't the issue. The issue is whether solar cycle number 25 will be a lower sunspot cycle and how it will impact us. Politicians and the like will make sure they are provided for. We as individuals need to plan for ourselves.

In your opinion does this cycle pose a threat to you and your family. If you feel it is of no concern please state your reasoning behind it. If you feel it is of concern it would be great to hear your reasoning as well. I'd also love to hear how you plan on coping with the change.

Thanks for psoting, flagged, everyone should read about it. I remember reading something about this very recently on ATS, maybe in Alt. News.

Anyone have any idea what kind of temperate we would be expecting to have at the peak, which could be 14 years away?

Yeah, it's predicted to be as low as 1910, we'll need to wrap up well...

Either hot or cold, limits have to be put on pollution and resource waste.

SUV's are a resource waste and the people who abuse the gasoline resource
because they can afford it, upset the prices for the rest of the people.

Most posters here apparently don't live near industry.
They don't have smokestacks spewing toxins into the air in their line of sight, so they assume its all good.

Its not.
Find pollution and contaminants in your neighborhood

If those frigging Geico cavemen never drove their SUV's "back in the day" we would still have the woolly mammoth.

It's a shame we never learn from history.


en.wikipedia.org...

[edit on 5-1-2008 by Dulcimer]

Wow! That's wonderful!
So this coming summer will be cooler than last summer?

Once again, that's great news! Whew! I was going through the motions of moving to Alaska but good to know that things will be cooling down now! So how much cooler will it be next summer anyway?

[edit on 5-1-2008 by Palasheea]

Indy great post!

I feel Global Warming/Cooling is more of a Natural Cycle and mankind may impact to some degree. As far the Solar Cycle, No. 24 started yesterday and I have provided a link, use Jan. 5, 2008 archive for article!

Jan. 5th Archive Spaceweather.com

[edit on 1/5/08 by mel1962]

Originally posted by Legalizer
Either hot or cold, limits have to be put on pollution and resource waste.

SUV's are a resource waste and the people who abuse the gasoline resource
because they can afford it, upset the prices for the rest of the people.

Most posters here apparently don't live near industry.
They don't have smokestacks spewing toxins into the air in their line of sight, so they assume its all good.

Its not.

Oh boo-hoo. Is anyone else tired of the hearing the blame the SUV owner song and dance. Some people require these types of vehicles. If we're going to lay blame on vehicle decisions then be sure to add mini-vans, school buses and trucks. I will continue to drive my gas guzzler because I'm prepared to pay the increased price so that I can do the things the majority of smaller vehicles can't. Hell it sounds like if things are going to get cooler then my 4x4 SUV might just come in handier than ever before.

BTW great post indy i'm anxious to see the Al-Gore bleeding hearts trump this.

brill

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Thanks for the post Indy.

Interesting reading, to be honest after the heat wave we've been experiencing here in Melbourne AUS, it's welcoming news, until you think about the global impact.

Who the hell is "Space and Science Research Center"?

It's something ascientific and bogus. They barnacled themselves to keyword searches with NASA (like flaky dot-coms did) but there is no actual science there.


Here is the "theory".

www.spaceandscience.net...

It's just plain nonsense.

Here is what NASA actually said:

science.nasa.gov...

There's nothing about "global cooling" whatsoever.

In any case, it is irrelevant: a solar cycle is a cycle and if you get extra cool on one side you will get extra warm on the other side. All of it will just add to the longer term trend from greenhouse forcing, and you will eventually end up in the same place (damn hot) no matter what.

The interaction between solar cycles and climate is much more complicated than people think. (Firstly, higher solar activity means more sunspots, and this means LESS optical radiation emitted for the simple reason that sunspots are darker and lower temperature than the rest of the photosphere. )

And yes, people who actually work on climate have already taken the Sun into account using actual quantitative measurements.

Let's make sure to be able to distinguish puffery from a self-styled baloney "institute" from actual science done by actual scientists.

This is kind of old news really... it is surprising how little attention it gets though... This article from 2004 predicts UK to be in Siberian like state by 2020:
www.guardian.co.uk...

Here is the thread on ats from then as well:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

There is some good info on page 2 of that thread...

Originally posted by Indy
If you feel it is of concern it would be great to hear your reasoning as well. I'd also love to hear how you plan on coping with the change.

Thats just the thing - I've been trying to find out what those changes have install for those of us that live in Australia. I like to prepare for anything, better safe than sorry, but prepare for what exactly?

What effect will a cooling period have on Australia?

ATM we are in the middle of the worst drought in our nations history. Added to that right now, we are smack in the middle of a VERY strange summer across the nation. Just yesterday major parts of New South Wales have been declared natural disaster areas after heavy rain and severe flooding. Right now Australia's weather is actually upside down. The northern part of the country, which is usually dry and hot this time of year is being flooded and temps are lower than normal. Down in the south of the country where temps are meant to be lower, there have been heatwave after heatwave.

So some parts of the country are getting flooded, yet the parts that need the rain are getting extremely high temps - its all backwards and upside down.

So what happens when this cooling phase kicks in? Do the rains return?
Australia is a pretty hot and dry land as a whole. But down south where I am from in Victoria and especially Tasmania, we get some pretty nasty weather come up from Antarctica in the winters.

I find it all rather confusing.

its funny because when I was like 10 or so, whenever I'd ask what people would do when the next ice age came, I'd get the old "well it wont be until after were all long gone" and "people wont live on Earth anymore by then" then of course none of the adults/teachers could tell me when the next ice age would be. maybe sooner than anyone thought?

Originally posted by mbkennel
Let's make sure to be able to distinguish puffery from a self-styled baloney "institute" from actual science done by actual scientists.

So I assume this means we can ignore the tripe that gets published by the IPCC right? After all they are a government organization. Why do I suspect had this organization just repeated something that the IPCC said you'd be screaming "look here!!! global warming!!!"

If you look at the long term temperature trends you'll see that there is something very cyclical about climate change. Like it or not man has nothing to do with it. Man isn't responsible for any of the climate changes of the past. He isn't responsible for this one. He didn't cause previous global warming. He didn't cause previous global cooling. When you look at the Vostok temperature plots you will see e very regular cycle. Right now we are at the very top of the mountain. Without exception there is a sharp fall that follows. But why is this? It seems interesting that we are at the point where the fall is expected to come if you go by historic records and now that seems to jive with the prediction of a solar minimum.

Global Warming supporters will be fuming over this. They will come up with nonsense replies like the one I am responding to that tries to attack the messenger because the report is damaging to their beliefs. This is much in the way people in the past were attacked for research because it was felt that such worked diminished god somehow. GW is like a religion to these people and they will protect it at all cost.

Indy, this isn't damaging to anything.

It is based on a prediction from NASA solar scientists, it is just another prediction based on models.

But, of course, solar models good, climate models bad, to some.

The prediction shows a cycle of about 60-70 sunspots, which is comparable to the cycle around 1910. Indeed, the fall from this cycle to 25, if the prediction is correct, would be similar to that from the late 1800s to 1910.

That period showed a reduction in global climate temps of about 0.2'C, if we assume it was solely due to solar influence (which is unlikely, as I think there were a few volcanic eruptions around then).

So, if everything stays equal, we might have expected a similar fall at most - it would take us back to temps around 1990. But it isn't, as we have other positive forcings.

The funny thing is that if these predictions are reliable, and we do get a period with a little drop in temps, I'm sure some sophists will use it to suggest the science for GHGs is wrong. Which would be a complete misrepresentation, but some never miss a trick.

So I think this thread is just a bit exaggerated to say the least.

[edit on 5-1-2008 by melatonin]