Iraqi soldier “Caesar” killed three American soldiers as they kicked , beat a pregnant woman

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
Where are the English sources, as I cant read Arabic.

Originally posted by -Reason-
What a bunch of utter nonsense. Maybe if he had some "real" sources to quote we could take him a little bit more serious.

IRAQI SOLDIER KILLS 2 US TROOPS-Yahoo News

Again don't assume that just because it's in an Iraqi newspaper that it's pure rubbish. Thats a pretty bigoted perspective in my opinion. Just wait until more information comes to light before rolling your eyes at a very real possibility and attacking the poster for even bringing the story up.

Although I don't agree with his generalization of Americans as bloodthirsty the Iraq sources my be spot on with how this event occurred.

Good grief.

If this is true, then that guy is a hero to his own people...

If I saw ANYBODY kicking a pregnant woman, then god help them...

This may also be false, but again it wouldn't suprise me if it did happen.

Heard far worse stories about the yanks in Iraq.

Main stream version of this issue
news.yahoo.com...

No mention of pregnant women being beat >>
The shooting occurred as American and Iraqi soldiers were trying to establish a combat outpost in Ninevah province in northern Iraq.

According to Brig. Mutaa Habib Jassim al-Khazrachi, commander of the Iraqi army's 2nd Division, an initial investigation has indicated that the Iraqi soldier has links to local militant groups.

Al-Khazrachi said the shooting occurred in eastern Mosul

Why is it so hard for you Americans to belive that your footsoljiers are capable of evil things? You see the way the Pigs tazer, shoot, and beat innocent people mercilessly..what makes you think they aren't going to bring that same mindset to another country?

Especially a country where they won't be watched the same way they are here, and where they can kill and rape whoever they want without reprecussions.

So do you really think it's that hard to belive they were kicking a pregnant woman..when they used a #ing tazer on a pregnant woman here in the states?

Keep in mind..this country was founded on the rape and genocide of innocent people..don't let those history books fool you into thinking columbus was a great man..he was a murderer.

So honestly..what makes you think anythings changed in the vaules of these European decendants..in the year 2008?

news.bbc.co.uk...

The BBC aren't mentioning anything about the pregnant woman (no suprise)...

I still stand by my own opinion.

Originally posted by Spawwwn
Why is it so hard for you Americans to belive that your footsoljiers are capable of evil things? You see the way the Pigs tazer, shoot, and beat innocent people mercilessly..what makes you think they aren't going to bring that same mindset to another country?

Its a simple answer, they are ignorant selfish people in denial.

Police tazering pregnant women or small children has been a monthly news story in the states for the past few years.

Here's some video A news story of white guys matching your typical jarhead's description beating a pregnant woman and her husband, followed by video of a cop beating female bartender.

But it can't possibly happen in Iraq, because the US Government only sends angels there to do gods work.

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
reply to post by makeitso

 

I have been sitting here searching too...and have found nothing.

Im still leaning towards propaganda.

Originally posted by BlackProjects
Main stream version of this issue
news.yahoo.com...

No mention of pregnant women being beat >>
The shooting occurred as American and Iraqi soldiers were trying to establish a combat outpost in Ninevah province in northern Iraq.

According to Brig. Mutaa Habib Jassim al-Khazrachi, commander of the Iraqi army's 2nd Division, an initial investigation has indicated that the Iraqi soldier has links to local militant groups.

Al-Khazrachi said the shooting occurred in eastern Mosul

Al-Khazrachi said the shooting occurred in eastern Mosul
the article from iraqi newspaper said that the shooting happened in mosul , when the americans kicked and beated the poor pregnant iraqi woman ....
greeneyedleo ,
seems my source is not propaganda and its americans who are making propaganda by calling poor caesar a terrorist
Main stream propangada version of this issue:
news.yahoo.com...
May God Bless Caesar for his noble and courageous deed

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[edit on 5-1-2008 by manson_322]

BBC news 24 about 3 days ago reported an iraqi had been charged with killing 2 american soldiers. Gave details about 2 where shot but no mention of why.

If it is true about them beating a prego woman then good ridance to them, hope they rot in hell.
Actualy all the u.s. forces in iraq deserve the kicking imho.

Originally posted by forestlady
Remember the atrocities during Vietnam that were committed by American soldiers?

You know that John Kerry and his WINTER SOLDIER crap was just that ... crap .. right? It was all lies and the people who were allegedly 'vietnam vets' who spoke out weren't even really vets.

Sure, some bad stuff happened. But MOST of what was claimed did not.

As for this alleged story - It's bull and it's just typical anti-american propaganda that anti-americans will lap up and claim as 'truth' even though there is no evidence to support it.

Originally posted by lee anoma
don't assume that just because it's in an Iraqi newspaper that it's pure rubbish. Thats a pretty bigoted perspective in my opinion.

Not biggoted. Just acknowledging a statistical probability. MOST of the anti-american crap that gets into print over there is just that ... crap.

reply to post by muttondagger


The sad thing is, this poor guy is now in American custody (which will probably mean torture, humiliation and possibly execution)... but at least that woman and her unborn child are alive and those two backward soldiers are currently stood in the queue to the gates of hell.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Will you please shut up with the word 'anti-american' it's a yawn inducing, way of saying 'please don't pick on us Americans, what have we ever done'... It's a media self defence weapon that categorises those with common sense against those thick skulled patriots that have never stepped outside America and seen the real world.

Stop being so anti-Iraqi, and don't bother replying to me or else I'll accuse you of being anti-English.

Good!! I hope that every Iraqi soldier with a gun kills every American solider that abuses the law and human rights. The USA has committed so many atrocities over there, so many murders, at the behest of the scum Bush and his gang of criminals that it is no wonder that the people there are getting sick and tired of seeing us abuse and kill the innocent.

Just think, if every USA unit has a few Iraqi soldiers in it we could make sure that when our guys go crazy raping and murdering the kids and women that some justice would be following..as it is the Blackwater killers get away with everything, and so do the filthy Marines and Army guys who break the law and abuse and murder. They are there to do a job, professionally, and if they cannot do that then they should not be there at all, and if I saw anyone beating and kicking a pregnant woman, I would shoot them as well..they deserve it.

We are becoming worse than anyone we ever fought against in this world....all due to the sick Bush and Clinton NWO lackeys who love money and hate liberty for anyone but them. I say let em all get killed opver there and then maybe the people will wake up and see that we are being used for LIES all over the world to make profits for the rich few. If an American soldier committs a heinous crime like kicking a pregnant woman, then I hope that those soldiers get taken out right on the spot by those with some morals. Let all the sick abusive invaders get what their bosses deserve and let the message ring far and wide: People will not stand by and allow things to get any worse...they are as bad as it gets without total revolution, and we need one.

Why are we outraged when soldiers evidence a callous disregard for life when their government and most citizens condone the murder of the unborn at home?
Get real folks this affects everyone-
if you are old, inconvenient or in need - you are in danger
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Okay, lets say the soldiers were kicking a pregnant woman. What had she done? Perhaps sitting on a couple of kilos of plastic explosives and ball bearings?

I coach high school baseball in an inner city high school, and have several of my former students (the ghetto trash) in Iraq today, I do agree that we should get out of Iraq, and leave them to productive lives they were living before we came. I personally would not trade the life of one American (ghetto trash or otherwise) for the whole country of Iraq, and that includes the pregnant ones.

My GF's cousin is a Marine in Iraq, when he was home for Christmas he told me some horrible stories. Buddies of mine that are still serving have told me some interesting things as well when they were back on leave and able to communicate without censorship.

One thing I learned for sure, if Marines are anywhere nearby you need to stay the hell away. unless you like getting beat or having your car torched or having your personal goods confinscated. His team had made a game about who could take the most Iraqi headwear and they developed a point system for baseball caps, headscarves, etc etc. Womens headscarves were double points. The punching and kicking and man handling of the Iraqis seemed so routine to him that he couldn't even understand why I thought it was outrageous when he told me that a Lance Corp. had shoved an Iraqi kid away from a sidewalk and broke the kids arm. His response was "he shouldv'e known to get away from us on foot patrol, they either move or we move em" Apparently the kid was around 8 or 9. He was shocked that I was shocked!

An occupation force will always revert to treating the indigenous people like animals. That's why wars of Aggression and Invasion are iilegal by international law.

People will always stand up to their oppressors.

The solution is to bring our boy's home and to no longer have a policy of invasion and aggressive war. We're supposed to be the good guys for chrissake. Not Nazi's or Soviets, invading people around the world and sending them to torture camps.

Okay...let's make this short and sweet:

To the "I HATE AMERICA more than the DEVIL crowd", consisting of
LeeAdoma, Spawn, Legalizer, Manson 322,
Mutton Dagger, Mr. Lizzard, and Eyewitness, I have to address you first.

How does it feel to be cliches with legs? Why do you react with hating America and our brave men and women FIRST, instead of entertaining the possibility that this story is pure propaganda? Maybe the "preggo" was a month along...and a terrorist? Might be possible?

And to the real patriots on this thread: Flyers Fan, Geo57 and greeneyedleo, thank you all for your decorum and love of the greatest country on Earth. I'm so sick and tired of those commies out there that will paint with a broad brush because yes, there have been a handful of bad apples with U.S. uniforms that give all a bad name.

I wasn't there, and either were ANY of you. If this DID happen as reported, I would have wanted charges brought against any soldier that needed it. The Iraqi solder who killed the Americans should be shot, not matter what they did. He's no hero.

admin edit: Please review the civility rules of this site. While I understand you are upset with the P.O.V. of members who disagree with the U.S. Policies, we simply don't resort to name calling or derogatory modifications to member names on ATS.

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Originally posted by mr-lizard
reply to post by muttondagger

 

The sad thing is, this poor guy is now in American custody (which will probably mean torture, humiliation and possibly execution)... but at least that woman and her unborn child are alive and those two backward soldiers are currently stood in the queue to the gates of hell.

seriously , i hope God saves the poor iraqi man for such a noble and courageous deed

[edit on 5-1-2008 by manson_322]

reply to post by manson_322

These types of anecdotal stories are useless to actually determining the facts. For every story you post about Americans abusing Iraqis, I can submit ten stories that illustrate the opposite, and that can go on for years.

Manson, I know you are trying to illustrate a point, but you have to take a look at the facts:

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#1. Virtually all Americans hate the war in Iraq.

#2. Most Americans agree that going to war in Iraq was stupid, and the war has been mismanaged.

#3. Virtually all Americans hate pain and suffering and cruelty. (In this way, we are very similar to the Iraqi people.)

#4. If America was to pull out of Iraq too fast, there would be a major unleashing of violence and distruction by Iraqis against each other. We Americans don't want that.

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The problem with anecdotal evidence is that it often illustrates an exception to the norm, hence cannot be used to prove what is normal or typical.

Manson, I sympathize with what you are trying to express -- it is easy enough to understand your motives. But, even if your story is 100% true, it proves nothing -- is useful only in increasing the hatred and misunderstanding between the people of the world. Is that really what you want?

reply to post by LiamStemrad


and for what should the iraqi be shot?? saving a woman from death, man people like you are disgusting bloodthirsty warmongers

reply to post by Buck Division


sorry man, you have a point here !!

but then the CIA and US army has never stopped behaving like terrorists!!!

if american people step out and oppose such behaviour and instead of spending trillions on wepaons and pornography, and help rebuild the poor nations you devastated then people's opinion will change and i promise that