A cold spell soon to replace global warming

Originally posted by apc
Scientists like Abdusamatov, as all the others, are the Einsteins

Yeah, going to his deathbed crying 'god doesn't play dice with GHGs' whilst the new science moves forward...

God plays dice with greenhouse gases?

Cool.

Does he play roulette with the sun, too?

Originally posted by apc
Does he play roulette with the sun, too?

Nope, craps.

You do know that comparing these dudes to Einstein is a 5 point score on the crackpot index? 10 points if it's a self-reference. But a big 40 points for the eco-nazis reference.

math.ucr.edu...

Not that I advocate anything like that, of course.

[edit on 3-1-2008 by melatonin]

Sheesh you just have to hang on to that half of the analogy. I totally wasn't talking about that. You people... you're good at reading way too far into things. I swear.

Listen. If I could think of another rational thinking scientist who fled to escape the tyranny of a rising fascist movement that, coincidentally, also used science to support their malicious and oppressive actions, I'd use him. But I can't, so there you go. Einstein.

I wonder if Al Gore claims to have invented global warming as well as the internet. Ya might wanna take a look at what he's getting out of all this global warming business. ( I mean the behind the scenes stuff)

Ok, we've covered the extremes.......

Now I'm going to someday in the future post this thread as soon as I can back it up:

"Global Temperatures Become Perfectly Normal"

The problem you see, is this headline will probably never happen because it is human nature to draw attention to deviation. But I'm willing to bet that despite Al Gore's Global Warming Scam and the hippies of the 70's predicting another Ice Age, mother Earth is just being herself despite our puny presence who happen to be hitching a ride on her at the moment! We have NO clue what normal truly is!

reply to post by Astron938


No, global warming was invented by Arrhenius in the 19th century. Gore, like all politicians, just jumped on the bandwagon when it suited him.

I'm not sure why any sceptics/deniers ever bring his name up though? Maybe it's because they can't counter the science behind climate change?

(Yes, I know Gore popularised the issue in the USA, but at best he's just an attention seeking messenger. And you know what they say about attacking the messenger )


As for solar cycles bringing a cooling phase: maybe they will. But there will still be an underlying anthropogenic warming going on. It just means instead of global temps falling 1c they fall 0.6c (for example) - and after the natural cool phase has ended, they'll rise again to even more than they were before ..... Likewise if we're currently in a natural warming phase, that warming phase will have been amplified by human activity. So even if most current warming is natural there is still an underlying anthropogenic warming trend.

Originally posted by apc
I'll give you $3.50.

Nice. So if this report is correct, when the average temperature starts to drop in a few years, Man is still the bad guy. Or rather, all those who don't bow down to the econazis are the bad guys. I wouldn't expect anything else.

Econazis! Well I never. Let me guess global warming is an econazi conspiracy. We're either nazis or commies, make you're mind up skeptics.

I note yet again the predominantly US nationality bias to the global warming skeptic voice. I wonder how long it is before you wake up..... No let me guess the 250million US folks are in the right whereas the 5750million non US are all wrong, sorry econazis.

Let me remind you that at the last climate conference you were all alone and roundly booed. HELLO wakey wakey you're WRONG!

And you wonder why there is some joy at seeing the US economy/dollar slide towards oblivion. You cannot be that naive can you?

This doesn't suprise me at all. One day they say global warming another day they say global cooling. We have alot to learn about how the earth works. The earth is very old and we are trying to use our perception of 80 years of life to make conclusions on the earth and how it works. It seems logical that we will have cooler periods of time and then warmer periods of time as well. It all balances out.

as long as global cooling is not used as a means to ending state soverignty and consolidate power, i don't give 2 #@ about that or Global warming for that matter, the facts for DRAMATIC man-made GW are invisible.
But the threat of politicians and those who structure society using the fear of GW as a means to herd the sheeple is real.

i think food shortages and unemployement should soon be front page news and don't worry this will be linked to global warming, not monsanto or weather expts.

The debt= wealth game has reached it's clilmax, this is important because this holds the structure of society in place. A new means for maintaining order in this world is in the making. it will involve an all credit society and some will reject this and try to ride it out "off the grid" and others will probaby go hungry and perish. those that survive will most likely be herded back into the all credit society IMO

[edit on 4-1-2008 by cpdaman]

So, even though I live in a place that rarely see's snow, I should get skii's?

Cool, I have never seen a "white christmas." Maybe I will in the coming years.

I have my own thoughts about all of this, and i think it all comes down to money. How much can i make if i can get the mass's to think the way i do. And buy into the fact that everything we are doing, the products that we use today, and the beef that we eat and raise is causeing all of these problems. (it has been told that that cows are one of the big causes of global warming) Could it be that what we are told is only a prelude to selling us something else to replace the last thing that was better for the invironment. It seems to me that as soon as we have it all figured out and it works good we have to move on to something else, that replace's what we had. Only problem being, we have to spend more money to get it.
We have a good life, we are only going to live until we die, so we should injoy what we have.

Originally posted by lifeisgood
(it has been told that that cows are one of the big causes of global warming) Could it be that what we are told is only a prelude to selling us something else to replace the last thing that was better for the invironment.

Yeah, I wonder if the makers of Bocca burger paid Al Gore to endorse this theory.

The earth is flat.

End of thread.

I can take the advice of lobbysists, I can take the advice of scientists, or I can take my own advice based off my own research and observations. In the end it is highly likely that we will ALL be wrong. We know preciously little about how this planet operates, despite what popular science would have you believe. Just think ... if we took all this time spent on arguing/campaigning for and against GW/GHG/Climate Change and, say, helped out people in Kenya or Darfur, etc wouldn't that be time better spent? Or worked toward getting away from oil. Etc.

The whole topic seems to be a blatant diversionary "slap in the face" away from other important topics. Then again maybe my BS-dar is just a bit off these days ...

I've personally come to the conclusion that no one does, will, or CAN know what is the EXACT cause of temperature changes on a global scale on this planet ... just way too many variables that people haven't taken into account, can't account for properly, or (most importantly) don't even know about because they do not exist yet according to human knowledge. Just my opinion.

life is good you are right, it all boils down to money, and power.

The earth is warming you are all going to die, give us money and we will help you take care of it. It is the same old fear mongering under a different banner. I do wholeheartedly believe that we need to respect the earth and do everything we can to keep our foot print as small as possible. But the earth is going to do what it is going to do, and at this point there is too much on both sides of the argument to have any solid proof.

Like I said we need to respect the earth, live in harmony with the earth and with eachother. I just have no faith in government officials scare tactics to line their pockets, and get us to submit to their "saving" power. They had to find something to scare the whole earth, terrorism could not raise fear throughout the entire world, but with a global problem they could lure everyone into their webs of deceit.

[edit on 4-1-2008 by gunner36]

Well they can't really get it wrong now can they....

Its either going to be warm or cold, they're bound to be right at some point in time...

Its all just so they can say "I told you so" to boost their reputation

(Spot the person who makes her opinion heard )

Laura x

One day its going to be cold, and next it will be warm. Man can we ever get even 7 day forecasts right before 100 years ahead. The problem with these is who do you believe.

Does this mean we will continue to see the same SUVs at the Global Fr-r-r-r-eezing Conventions?



Al Gore at Marin Civic Center

[edit on 4-1-2008 by Alxandro]

Originally posted by Essan
As for solar cycles bringing a cooling phase: maybe they will. But there will still be an underlying anthropogenic warming going on. It just means instead of global temps falling 1c they fall 0.6c (for example) - and after the natural cool phase has ended, they'll rise again to even more than they were before ..... Likewise if we're currently in a natural warming phase, that warming phase will have been amplified by human activity. So even if most current warming is natural there is still an underlying anthropogenic warming trend.

Beautifully and succinctly put

Originally posted by Blue Ridge

A cold spell soon to replace global warming

en.rian.ru

Astrophysics knows two solar activity cycles, of 11 and 200 years. Both are caused by changes in the radius and area of the irradiating solar surface. The latest data, obtained by Habibullah Abdusamatov, head of the Pulkovo Observatory space research laboratory, say that Earth has passed the peak of its warmer period, and a fairly cold spell will set in quite soon, by 2012. Real cold will come when solar activity reaches its minimum, by 2041, and will last for 50-60 years or even longer.

(visit the link for the full news article)

It frustrates me to see everyone jump on this global warming bandwagon, yes its happening, but we're not the reason its happening. Just seeing these so called professionals try to sell us the idea we can prevent Global Warming from happening is laughable, and I have only one question to them, can you prevent a Ice Age?

Its a NATURAL occurrence... Global Warming and Global Cooling is nothing new, expect for the fact the time frame between cooling and warming is getting shorter and shorter as the Article above suggests, to 50 years, from 300 to over 700, to over thousands of years.

To put it out there for those that dont understand, Earth in a billion years could look a lot like Venus does today for us.


We're naturally getting warmer, cause our sun is naturally getting warmer and is producing more heat then it did 3 billion years ago, when in theory Earth was just one big Ice Sheet.