UFOs Across The Timeline! Evidence Of Alien Presence?

Or Is It Pure Imagination and Myth?

It’s not really post 1950s that UFO have been ubiquitous. They have even been shown in antique oil paintings, sculpture, and cave drawings, apart from government postage stamps, official space videos and the media. A couple of days ago, I even saw a live special program on TV on strange lights (Like the Phoenix lights) hovering over the beaches of Mumbai, India. I’m trying to get the footage, so I can post it here for discussion, as undoubtedly, ATS is the best place to do it!

That said, take a look at some examples of these UFO that have been shown since antiquity. Isn’t this proof enough that the UFO phenomenon is real? Not just UFOs of earthly origin presumably made by black projects, but more importantly, UFOs of Alien origin!

So, is the UFO phenomenon a myth or is there an element of truth in it? Considering this huge, huge universe, it stands to reason that ETs are out there. If so, some very advanced cultures, probably millions of years ahead of us in technology, could have been visiting us from the dawn of civilization. Evidence?

The Evidence:

The Bible: Ezekiel

A supposed ancient record of extraterrestrial contact, is to be found in chapter I of Ezekiel, in which that prophet, in exile near Babylon, recounts a vision (Ezek. 1:4–28). Blumrich, a NASA rocket engineer, interpreted Ezekiel’s description as a UFO. Below is a diagram of the ‘spacecraft’. (Blumrich worked on the Saturn 5 rocket, the Lunar Lander and on Skylab.) However, as per the magazine, eSkeptic, what was described by Ezekiel were ‘angels’! But could angels mean aliens in those days??


A UFO as imagined in late Josef Blumrich’s 1973 book,
The Spaceships of Ezekiel (Bantam. ISBN 0553083783).
Courtesy: eSkeptic

Cave Paintings


This cave painting is c.10,000 BC and is from Val Camonica, Italy.
It appears to depict two beings in protective suits holding strange
implements.
Courtesy: Crystalinks


The Mayan Palenque "Spaceman" carving, still a puzzle for researchers. The intricate
artwork depicts what appears to be someone at the controls of a machine (UFO?).
This Color drawing is to clarify the intricate carvings.
Courtesy: onealclan

Coins


French coin minted in 1680 that shows a hovering
disc shaped UFO with what appears to be port holes.
Courtesy: Crystalinks

Paintings (15th Century Artwork)


Painting of the Madonna and Saint Giovannino,
in the Palazzo Vecchio in Florence. The upper right
section of the painting shows an object in the sky,
and below, a man and dog looking at the object.
Courtesy: ancientx

Stamps


UFO stamps of the Komi Republic, Russia.


A Soviet Union-1967-Stamp depicting a UFO and a satellite.
Courtesy: Spacestamps

Unidentified Objects: Tether Incident


Zoomed image of one of the UFO's that swarmed around the
Tether (STS-75).
Courtesy: Geocities.
(More images and footage can be found on Zorgon's
web site 'TheLivingMoon')

These are just a few of the strange images out of the hundreds, but the idea was to show the omni-presence of UFOs and aliens across a broad spectrum of time. Is it all imagination? Why have governments printed stamps and coins of UFOs? What did the artists know about UFOs to have prompted them to include them in their paintings? And why?

Cheers!

Refs:
www.skeptic.com...
www.crystalinks.com...
ancientx.com...
www.onealclan.com...
commons.wikimedia.org...

reply to post by mikesingh
Hello Mike
NIce recoup on info of UFO's from the past, reminding us of all the different forms which are given to us via paintings, stamps, cave drawings,and others to enlighten and draw our attention to this phenomenon which has intrigued those willing to spend time on this subject.
I cannot say how many times I look foward for your posts which intsruct and teach combining your insight and research.

reply to post by mikesingh

The french coin is probably a representation of Ezekiels wheel. Isnt it funny how things can be interpretated differently through the ages?

Great post mike! As usual! Im new here, but have been reading many of your posts in the past.

I think that this 'evidence' of documented sightings in the past of UFO's is misinterpretated. Its mere coninsidence that these paintings, coins, ect look like what we beielve real 'UFO's look like.

Im sure you could find many paintings and depictions of unicorns, dragons, and other bizzare creatures through-out time, but that doesnt make them real.

Many Thx for reading!

It is interesting to see the evidence of UFOs through time, but at the same time, like others said, we could just be interpreting it in the wrong way.

Good thread though, keep it up!

Nice depiction of UFO's in history always been a hobby of mine, most of the time i see things like this my mind wanders off trying to imagine why this was done,

one poster said there are pictures of unicorns and dragons etc and this does not mean they excist, i think at one time these animals did indeed excist just in a time and age that we have not discovered yet,


The Aztec picture i see as a UDA (unidentified descriptive art) i myself believe this to depict a rocket or craft of somekind, but everyones opinion will always differ and you cant change that without proof, However the other paintings you could say there is proof by word of mouth,

Incredibly thought out thread as always

Well collected posts, nicely put together.

Not sure how to quote yet, but;

azzllin said:

"one poster said there are pictures of unicorns and dragons etc and this does not mean they excist, i think at one time these animals did indeed excist just in a time and age that we have not discovered yet"

I was just using this as an example It was unrelated to the topic of UFO's etc but i was just trying to make the point on interpritation of such dipictions.
But going back to Mike's orginal post i beleive trying to say that the cave paintings from Val Camonica, Italy show ancient astronauts is taking a huge leap of faith. Its more than likely trying to show some kind of cultural dance/show or religious beleif. To assume straight away they are astronauts seems unlogical!

thanks

I found the painting of the Madonna and Saint Giovannino intrigueing.

So did a little research, there does not seem to be anything definitive on this but I think most people agree it is part of the painting, ie it was put there by the artist.

One line of thought seems to be that Saint Giovannino was one of Leonado DeVincis students and Saint Giovannino wanted to make a dedication via a representation of one of his war machines.

This being said I doubt if we will ever know as the artist is dead, he may well have been painting a UFO.




I think it looks pretty cool.

Mike I have always been intrigued in your posts!
I might as well add some more and we can make thing a UFO time line thing





This one was from the history channel.

abidos.jpg (11369 bytes) Found on the walls inside a 3000 year old ancient Egyptian temple at Abydos, several hundred miles south of Cairo and the Giza Plateau. Helicopters and various other flying machines on the walls show our "modern" trechnology isn't so modern after all!

Sou rce

That Egyptian wall carving has be debunked hundreds of times! Everything by that guy, Van whomever has been discredited so many times.
I beielve that what you see as a Plain, Sub, Helicopter etc was proven to be two Glyphs carved onto the same place!

reply to post by DarkWanderer


You are right I just read that! What about everything else can you debunk them?

Well the paintings & Egyptian glyphs have been debunked already and the cave paintings are probably more to do with the supernatural rather than sightings & interactions within our reality. I don't know why people waste their time trying to prove the existence of UFO's as neither pictures or video are definitive proof as they can easily be hoaxed or faked using computers. I think credible witness testimonies & NASA video footage is the way to go, but even then I can't see disclosure coming anytime soon.

reply to post by mikesingh

Although many claim that these crafts are extraterrestrial in origin, I can't help but wonder how many of these may have made here by those stranded or left behind. Some of these strange looking crafts it would seem may have also been balloons or dirigibles, especially since Leonardo Da Vinci was so inventive and brilliant. There must be hidden or lost literature and drawings somewhere about these crafts. The materials such as silks, were not beyond their capabilities back then either.

Here's an interesting link. I was gonna post pictures, but my onfinite image account is bugged atm.

www.internationalnewsagency.org...

But what i wanted to show is a little down the page, the metal pre-inca airplane figurines.

Also the Dropa stones at the top of the page look alot like those objects that were flying all around during the whole space tether incident.

But those airplanes are supposedly very very old, theyre just amazing.

Good thread as usual Mike

I believe that some of it is taken out of context . But imagine if some future civilization found our artifacts after the next ice age .

Now imagine if they took all our movies/books to be historical evidence of actual things/events .

Everyone has an imagination .
And i assume they(We) have been pondering "What if" ever since they started communicating with each other.

Now theres no way to measure imagination and or its progress through history.
You can also deduct that artists (as the source) Would have great imaginations.

Maybe even far surpassing there time .
Even today there are people imagining things that are so far out that its baffling to try and conceive it as real. And/or possible.


So i say "plausible" However there isn't enough proof either imo.

Great post tho.


Edit: Also thanks for that link Nola213. Was a good read . Makes ya go "hmmmm"


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I've been looking at these types of images for some time now, glad to see this post, Mike. As a fine artist, myself, I'm most intrigued by what could have been the creative catalyst behind these artists' decisions to include such (out-of-place?) imagery in their works, particularly the cave dwellers, which -- obviously -- various representations of what was seen daily could easily be interpreted onto the cave canvas, but not figures not found in the tribe, nor in nature. What I don't get at all is why the cave artists would insert what appears to be glass helmets, as well as apparent space suits, when no person of those ancient times was likely wearing much clothing to begin with, far less odd suits with transparent domes around the head.

As well, what source of inspiration would allow a pre-industrial artist to clearly define a circular mothership-type appearance in the sky, when no engine-based vehicle of any kind was supposed to even be on earth, historically speaking? People rode camels and horses, did they not?

And I love how we've "debunked" the Egyptian helicopter wall (abydos), particularly if one is using the very logic that it's unclear what was meant by the original artist ages ago, at least when discussing other ancient artwork which clearly show (imo) space tech in the backgrounds.



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Nice post proof is in the pudding. They were drawing and talking about this stuff long before planes existed. To me its a no brainer.

OptionToChoose , please try to be at least logical with your questions.

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"As well, what source of inspiration would allow a pre-industrial artist to clearly define a circular mothership-type appearance in the sky, when no engine-based vehicle of any kind was supposed to even be on earth, historically speaking?"

Who said what they were trying to draw as a circular mothership? What an assumption. Maybe its a comet of some kind? Painted in a way which makes it look magical ect.

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"And I love how we've "debunked" the Egyptian helicopter wall (abydos), particularly if one is using the very logic that it's unclear what was meant by the original artist ages ago"

Use the ATS search function. its been debunked soo many times, im not even gonna bother posting the numerous links.

I think the ufo's over the centuries are from the devils domain when he was cast out of heaven- a third of the angels were cast out with him
...and Ezekiels account is correct except the description is of the righteous throne of God the Father of all creation- so its not your run of a mill ufo as implied
..it is God's throne and vehicle and unique to all creation
I think the ufo's could be from escapees from the pre antedeluvian flood
This is my take biblically as the book mentions in Genesis the daughters of men and giants or angels having extraordinary offspring that were the basis for the greek myths- they were demonic which makes the ufo drivers as well
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