Satanic and Mind Control Manipulation in the 'Rock' Music Industry

Basically what im saying IS:

The only people who are really offended by so called satanic music are those who believe in god.

Beyond the image of the satanic bands, apart from nasty tempers and a angst driven lyrics.... all we essentially have are people playing instruments and shouting/screaming/singing about bad things.

More fool those people who think they are doing it for some fake anti-god.

Seriously, if those people would actually start singing about REAL matters then i'd maybe take them seriously... But as long as they associate themselves with satan inspired symbology then i relegate them to the 'no thanks' pile

Don't get me wrong, i love rock and metal... But the whole 'OMG i'm so evil cos i listen to slayer' , i will leave it to the thirteen year old kids...

If norwegian black metal bands want to burn churches down, then they are as stupid (if not more so) than the fools who think praying and visiting churches and singing to god is somehow going to guarantee them a place in heaven.

My conclusion: God/satan bands are a waste of time. But then again, they have every right to believe what they believe, just as much as i think they are childish, pointless fools.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
Basically what im saying IS:

The only people who are really offended by so called satanic music are those who believe in god.

Basically what you are saying is that you cannot admit you were wrong when you said there is no such thing as Satanic music.

Beyond the image of the satanic bands, apart from nasty tempers and a angst driven lyrics.... all we essentially have are people playing instruments and shouting/screaming/singing about bad things.

I do not think any of that was in dispute.

More fool those people who think they are doing it for some fake anti-god.

You should tell that to King Diamond. Apparently he believes he is really doing what he does for Satan but I am sure you know better than him. According to you, he does not even exist, nor his two bands or any of the music they make.

Seriously, if those people would actually start singing about REAL matters then i'd maybe take them seriously... But as long as they associate themselves with satan inspired symbology then i relegate them to the 'no thanks' pile

They are not for you then. That is why we are not forced to listen to anything. I would rather pull out my own eyes than listen to Jay-Z say "yeah......uh huh........yeah.......here we go.........yeah.........get ready.............mmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........uh huh...uh huh....yeah....let's go...." any more. I do not get to say that rap music does not actually exist though. My ego is just not that big. You are special.

Don't get me wrong, i love rock and metal... But the whole 'OMG i'm so evil cos i listen to slayer' , i will leave it to the thirteen year old kids...

Then you know little of Slayer. Half the writing team is Born again Christian. Try reading the lyrics some time. Most people that think that Slayer and themselves by association are evil cannot read.

If norwegian black metal bands want to burn churches down, then they are as stupid (if not more so) than the fools who think praying and visiting churches and singing to god is somehow going to guarantee them a place in heaven.

Anyone burning down anything that is not theirs to burn down is stupid. That has nothing to do with music. There are people that burn churches right here in America and from what I hear, few of them can play a chord.

My conclusion: God/satan bands are a waste of time. But then again, they have every right to believe what they believe, just as much as i think they are childish, pointless fools.

So they are both childish and pointless but one exists and the other does not? I am very confused now. I thought you said there was no such thing as Satanic music?

Originally posted by Lillydale

Basically what you are saying is that you cannot admit you were wrong when you said there is no such thing as Satanic music.

erm... no? I was saying that satanic music is a joke really, because there is no proof that satan exists. Yes there are songs about satan, but there are also songs about santa.

You should tell that to King Diamond. Apparently he believes he is really doing what he does for Satan but I am sure you know better than him. According to you, he does not even exist, nor his two bands or any of the music they make.

What? Are you for real?. Of course he exists. I just think his cause is pointless... What part of this can't you understand.

They are not for you then. That is why we are not forced to listen to anything. I would rather pull out my own eyes than listen to Jay-Z say "yeah......uh huh........yeah.......here we go.........yeah.........get ready.............mmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........uh huh...uh huh....yeah....let's go...." any more. I do not get to say that rap music does not actually exist though.

Me too... I think jay-Z is awful. Most new hip hop is abysmal too, but it exists because the subjects are materialistic (guns, ho's, money)...

Then you know little of Slayer. Half the writing team is Born again Christian. Try reading the lyrics some time. Most people that think that Slayer and themselves by association are evil cannot read.

I've accidently watched them twice i think. I personally think thrash metal isn't that good though, it has no real appeal to me. I couldn't give a shiney #e if Slayer were mormons or atheists... If they sang songs about the easter bunny, i'd still give them a wide berth.

So they are both childish and pointless but one exists and the other does not? I am very confused now. I thought you said there was no such thing as Satanic music?

Are you twisting my words on purpose? Self-titled satanic bands exist ( i never said they didn't) but satan does NOT exist.

Thus in my eyes they are on par with those people who knock on your door whislt you are eating your dinner and try and give you leaflets on how you will be saved from a firey burning death.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
erm... no? I was saying that satanic music is a joke really, because there is no proof that satan exists. Yes there are songs about satan, but there are also songs about santa.

What do you mean "erm...no?" You just described Satanic music and Santa-ic music. What do you think Satanic music is supposed to describe that it is somehow the only genre of anything anywhere ever that requires as real live entity to exist?

What? Are you for real?. Of course he exists. I just think his cause is pointless... What part of this can't you understand.

The part where you said and then since danced around the idea that there is no such thing as Satanic music. So King Diamond exists but when I play the CDs, I just imagine the music?

Me too... I think jay-Z is awful. Most new hip hop is abysmal too, but it exists because the subjects are materialistic (guns, ho's, money)...

LOL, right, like Santa?

I've accidently watched them twice i think. I personally think thrash metal isn't that good though, it has no real appeal to me. I couldn't give a shiney #e if Slayer were mormons or atheists... If they sang songs about the easter bunny, i'd still give them a wide berth.

But you linked them into this Satanic arena that apparently does (not) exist. I am not even sure any more what you think you said.

Are you twisting my words on purpose? Self-titled satanic bands exist ( i never said they didn't) but satan does NOT exist.

You are right. I was sure you said satanic music did not exist but I see I was wrong. Interesting discussion it turned out to be anyway though since you still argued there is a difference between satanic music and music about santa because music about santa belongs with rap music where it is about things that are real. Apparently I was wrong and I apologize. Now I am even more confused as to where you went with it.

Thus in my eyes they are on par with those people who knock on your door whislt you are eating your dinner and try and give you leaflets on how you will be saved from a firey burning death.

Slayer has showed up and tried to play while you were eating dinner? That is awesome! You are lucky, it was 65 bucks the last time they were here and I do not even mean my house - dinner time or not.

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Mr. Lizard. Let me apologize for the original premise of the argument. I was absolutely wrong about what you said. Unless you edited it without the edited tag showing up, but I doubt that, I read it wrong. It still went somewhere interesting based on that but that was not the point. I thought it might be nice to visit some threads that did not have the same four trolls that do nothing but lie and argue in them so I could just be nice and enjoy ATS like I used to. Apparently I need to visit these other threads first as well as put a couple stalkers on ignore. I came here to get some peace and argued with you about what I read wrong. My bad. I am sure this confuses you as I am not sure I have ever seen it done on ATS before but this is me admitting I was wrong.

I'm sorry you are finding it so hard to understand.

I will spell it out for you...

Satan does not exist.

If people want to make music about it, fine...

But it's pointless.

If you need help understanding that then may i suggest you have your brain scanned and your eyes tested.

Thankyou.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
I'm sorry you are finding it so hard to understand.

I will spell it out for you...

Satan does not exist.

If people want to make music about it, fine...

But it's pointless.

If you need help understanding that then may i suggest you have your brain scanned and your eyes tested.

Thankyou.

Like I said, I was sure you had said that "Satanic Music" could not exist, not Satan himself. I tried to be an adult about my mistake but apparently you are a pouty child. Fine. Please prove Satan is fake then. Let me take the stance that you are just spouting your opinion for two pages and pretending it is fact for some strange reason. Your only justification is that Santa, like Rap music, is something real. Want to split that scan? Maybe Santa can rap about it for you.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
I will spell it out for you...

Satan does not exist.

You do not know that. All people of all countries have believed in things like demon posession. You have a computer and tv, and you think your smarter than every person who believed these things lol.

I personally believe there is an entity called satan, and i think people who follow him like the fact that people have become so stup1d, and there egos so big, that they think such a thing does not exist, but you now believe that aliens exist.

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...and that would be check to mister lizard.

second line

chess reference

Lillydale i'm sorry too...

My reply was actually intended BEFORE yours, so in retrospect it seems my last post was in reply to your apology which it wasn't.

Im sorry for insulting you.

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Back on topic - yes i agree 'satanic' bands can exist, but in my strong opinion satan does NOT exist.

I think satanists are a very childish bunch of people, and are on my list with any other extremist religious types.

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Again Lillydale, please accept my apologies - i'm having a rather hard time with life and i think im very angry and disillusioned with the world.

peace

Originally posted by andy1033

Originally posted by mr-lizard
I will spell it out for you...

Satan does not exist.

You do not know that. All people of all countries have believed in things like demon posession. You have a computer and tv, and you think your smarter than every person who believed these things lol.

I personally believe there is an entity called satan, and i think people who follow him like the fact that people have become so stup1d, and there egos so big, that they think such a thing does not exist, but you now believe that aliens exist.

I DO know that... satan and god are excuses, blankets and scapegoats for the wrongs and rights of humanity.

All people of all countries used to believe that the sun used to hide behind the mountains and that ships could fall off the edge of the world.

I don't need a computer or a TV (i don't have a TV incidentally) to tell me what to believe, just in the same way i don't need a preacher, a celebrity or an outdated religious text to tell me what to believe.

This is the problem here.... I am an atheist. If i make a mistake, i don't insult people's intelligence by saying 'satan' made me do it.... I'll hold my hands up and say 'yep i messed up'

at the same time, if something beautiful occurs, i'm grateful for the moment but i don't throw false prayers around...

I don't need any preacher telling me to worship the god or the devil or the tv or the pound coin.

Whether that preacher be a priest or a musician.

Originally posted by downtown436
"Black Metal" comes mostly from Northern Europe, and is satanic.

Some BM bands can be quickly labeled "satanic", yes, but.. if you dive just a bit deeper in the whole BM scene you can categorize it quite perfectly with the term "Romanticism".

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i do agree that music bigwigs are destroying music. but i dont think they are the ones who are making music incredibly heavy. look at all that pop rock crap on TV. it is 2 taps, 3 claps "happy" sounding sh*t. yesterday i watched the "40 best vids of the year 2009" on VH1. it was a pathetic compilation of pop punk, recycled indie alternative, nasty Disney pop vids. that`s evil. not heavy music.

as for bands that preach Satan`s ways i don think there are many aside from Norwegian Black Metal. there are Christian Death Metal Bands. how about that?

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When I first started learning bass guitar, I was a HUGE metal fan. (to be fair, im still into metal on occasion but I just dont play it) I joined a metal band and played many shows and went on tour with different bands throughout my career. About 2 years ago I started getting really bored with the same old repetitious sound that rock, metal, and other hard rock was producing. And I was getting REALLY disenchanted with the negative lyrics and the propaganda I was hearing on the mainstream radio .Nickelback is a perfect example, the majority of what they sing about is parties, stupidity, getting sh*t face drunk and having sex with whoever, every night. No big deal.


Thats when I started creating relaxing and beautiful music, capable of healing and meditation: Instrumental, and full of complex rhythms. I figured making sad, depressing, and ''scary'' music doesnt contribute to ANYTHING, just more sadness and depression. My music isnt happy, but contemplative and relaxing, I try to bring you into yourself to be more introspective and alert. Most music just promotes losing yourself and becoming whatever is currently ''cool'', so you can mold yourself to that identity and be a slave to it.

-Tan

[edit on 19-12-2009 by Tanulis]

Originally posted by Tanulis
reply to post by NewWorldOver

 

About 2 years ago I started getting really bored with the same old repetitious sound that rock, metal, and other hard rock was producing. And I was getting REALLY disenchanted with the negative lyrics and the propaganda I was hearing on the mainstream radio .Nickelback is a perfect example, the majority of what they sing about is parties, stupidity, getting sh*t face drunk and having sex with whoever, every night. No big deal.


Thats when I started creating relaxing and beautiful music, capable of healing and meditation: Instrumental, and full of complex rhythms. I figured making sad, depressing, and ''scary'' music doesnt contribute to ANYTHING, just more sadness and depression. My music isnt happy, but contemplative and relaxing, I try to bring you into yourself to be more introspective and alert. Most music just promotes losing yourself and becoming whatever is currently ''cool'', so you can mold yourself to that identity and be a slave to it.

-Tan

[edit on 19-12-2009 by Tanulis]

first off, RIAA is evil.

rock and metal dont sound repettitve. today there are bands like Mastodon and Gojira, for example, making absolutely beautiful metal music with clever lyrics. i dont think lyrics about the fact that you have power to heal yourself are negative.

also Nickelback is VERY bad example of a rock band. it`s a so called post grunge band that contributes zilch to music in general. absolutely unoriginal and boring. it`s a recycled shi*t of 100000th freshness. there are better bands like Alice In Chains or Soundgarden.

there are subgenres of rock and metal called POST-ROCK or POST-METAL majority of which is pure majectical instrumentals. there are 10000000000xxxxxx bands that play post rock. at the end of the day there is space rock and kraut rock

also there are incredible amount of bands that fuse jazz and metal, flamenco and metal for instance. experimental and avant garde are blooming like never before. new breeds of prog bands...

but people are reduced to listening to 6th grade garbage of current mainstream like Nickelback.

edit:

if you decide to check em out and go to youtube, check out"Global Warming", "The Art Of Dying", and "Esoteric Surgery" by Gojira- they are all different and and much better than overrated pop metal sh*t...

[edit on 19-12-2009 by marsvolta]

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Hehe. I own ''From Mars to Sirius'' by Gojira. =) They have some great time signatures and the drums and guitars are really unique.



I know rock and metal are 2 different things also, I was a huge Cradle of Filth fan back in the day, as well as Meshuggah and some others. I guess what I mean is (especially with Cradle) I got tired of the constant attempt to make ''scary'' music. It got really boring.


Me: OK, I see youre playing the open note again, with some keyboards, didnt we make a similar song...uhh... for the past 12 songs of our album?

Black Metal guy: But its different this time! Look, Im making a mean face and putting my hand out as if I'm holding an orb of darkness! YEA!! METAL! GUNSHOT TO YOUR FACE YES!!!

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NewWorldOver

 

Talent, if you want to call it that. A certain ability, to go on some sort of rant, almost like a trance, like witch doctors putting on a show. Channeling spirits, but ending up being something disgusting. I suppose that is a form of mind control. So I have read, in articles on the subject. As if grossing you out breaks down certain barriers and opens you up to suggestion.
There are definetly satan worshipers who support financialy, or with drugs, certain Rock artsts and bands, because they believe they advance their cause. There goal is a lot of out of control partying.

[edit on 1-1-2008 by jmdewey60]

I believe this is also prevalent in the rave culture.

[edit on 19-12-2009 by nexus13]

Originally posted by Tanulis
reply to post by marsvolta

 

Hehe. I own ''From Mars to Sirius'' by Gojira. =) They have some great time signatures and the drums and guitars are really unique.



I know rock and metal are 2 different things also, I was a huge Cradle of Filth fan back in the day, as well as Meshuggah and some others. I guess what I mean is (especially with Cradle) I got tired of the constant attempt to make ''scary'' music. It got really boring.


Me: OK, I see youre playing the open note again, with some keyboards, didnt we make a similar song...uhh... for the past 12 songs of our album?

Black Metal guy: But its different this time! Look, Im making a mean face and putting my hand out as if I'm holding an orb of darkness! YEA!! METAL! GUNSHOT TO YOUR FACE YES!!!

oh that`s cool. Gojira is a fantastic band. Gojira "steals" some riffs from Meshuggah here and there, but it`s more of a tribute thing. actually Meshuggah somehow got away from heavy odd time sigs thing because it became a fad. there are million copycats of Meshuggah now. also Cradle Of Filth is nothing special. about black metal, i have never been fond of their image and shrieking vocals. also what do you mean to say by that example of black metal guys? that there are no great new bands? just because some black metal or emo posers do sh*t music the rest of today`s music is sh*t too? there were tons of image bands before that werent any good either. Poison and Motley Crew for example.


some post rock and math rock here for instrumental (they arent heavy, maybe a little bit):

Maybeshewill
Auto!Automatic!!
Battles
Explosions In The Sky
This Will Destroy You
Hella
Mogwai
A Silver Mt. Zion
Giraffse?Giraffse!
Godspeed You! Black Emperor
Sleeping people
Tera Melos

also you can look up some neoclassical instrumentaion as well as mind blowing instrumental pieces from Fredrik Thordendal, Buckethead, Omar Rodriguez Lopez, John Frusciante, Jeff Loomis, Ron Jarzombek, Luke Jaeger...

Originally posted by NewWorldOverIt is a devolution of society and the art of music for the purpose of LOWERING the vibration of consciousness.

this 'raise your vibration .. lower your vibration of your consciousness crap is getting on my nerves.
Not so much in the respect that it's a fallacy.. but in the respect that people use it so vaguely as in a de-facto terminology to determine absolute GOOD or absolute BAD based on how it makes the observer feel.
it may make many people feel real good.. for good reasons.
metal doesn't make me feel frustrated or angry.. it resonates with the anger or frustration already there.. and gets it out.. then i'm done listening.

however.. most aggressive music as of late that i've been into has more positive lyrics and actually makes me feel incredibly spiritual and uplifted... in a triumphant glorious warrior type way.
ie: fighting for good and truth...

are these same christian metal-haters going to tell the Vikings not to scream as they go into battle to defend their land?
are they going to say please hush hush to the war cries of the G.I.s that fight for their very freedom to say 'hush hush' ?

it's primal and it has a place...
i think it's important not to limit yourself to metal.. but to every type of artistically valuable music.

Led Zeppelin and other well known devil-rockers of the past, (and these bands were considered the epitomy of evil by the religious right).

Ever listened to the songs "The Battle of Evermore", or "Tangerine", or "Going to California", or gosh.. the whole beginning of "Stairway to Heaven" ?
I'm sorry but those are just delightful and uplifting softly performed pieces of musical jewelry. If it raises my spirit and makes me feel warm inside, it's not because some demonic being is tricking me, it's because these guys knew what was up.

Heavy metal has become something of a demonic tour de force and many people revel in this fact, openly flaunting it.

Yeah but this is from the perspective of someone completely uneducated in modern metal obviously.
Sure when you look at the pantheon of acts out there, you can pick out these satanic psychologically disturbed people and put them in your crosshairs as far as who you want to point the finger at...
but the more popular bands nowadays in the metal arena.. are ones that actually sing about positive messages and concepts, with deeply insightful lyrics.

Take Killswitch Engage or Shadows Fall for instance...
let's look at some of their lyrics...

KILLSWITCH ENGAGE - REJECT YOURSELF

Their cries are blown away with the wind.
How passive can we be before humanity is lost?
Turning our backs on those who need love.
We must not rest while healing is needed.

Tear down the veil.
That bars your heart from feeling this.
Dedicate yourself.
Give your soul to compassion.
With open arms, embrace this heart.
With open eyes, behold the truth.
Embrace this life.

So little time is left.
We must be relentless in our pursuit of those in torment.

Can you reject yourself?
Can you feel their agony?
In a world that feeds on disregard.
HEAL the broken-hearted!


SHADOWS FALL - BURNING THE LIVES

Soon a darkened Pyramid will rise
There will be
No escaping from the all seeing eye
Lost In Blindness
Serving shielded masters
Still unknown

Chaos is their goal
Corrupt you heart and soul
The air is getting thin
Will you give in?

All the voices of the lost and forgotten
Still lay in their graves
they've been silenced for their thoughts
Lost In Blindness
This history is written
In their blood

Chaos is their goal
Corrupt you heart and soul
The air is getting thin
Will you give in?

Burning the lives and the pride
Of the innocents
Tearing down all that we built

Originally posted by downtown436
as a heavy metal fan, I find it to be very uplifting for my spirit. I have gotten through some tough times by listening, and playing Thrash, and Heavy metal.

totally.

most people that fear and demonize metal seem to completely miunderstand the depth of the culture surrounding this type of music.. many i see seem to be very fear-addicted anger-ridden black-souled cold hearted christians that want to pick a fight all the time... and can't ever turn the finger to point it back at themselves.... looking inward for their own inequity... meanwhile in their stereotyping of a huge amount of people under one archetype, they ignorantly are blind to the brilliant minds, creative beauty, and spiritual-growth oriented individuals that are behind this type of music..
Metal can act as a valve.. a venting method for the frustration of growing up in a messed - up world.
It can act as a tool to get frustration out in an exciting and constructive manner, as opposed to letting it pen up inside and destroy your personal life by spewing out in negative emotions in your relationships...
you GET IT OUT through the music... so that the rest of your life isn't tainted by those tendencies.... that's the point.
people don't understand this .... that most people i've been around in my life that are into heavy music.. are THE most grounded people i've known... granted i am picky even within that group.. and tend to attract intelligent creative insightful people not just 'fans' ... but either way... it's a useful tool that can help in balancing your emotions.
let alone the deep comradery and fun the metal scene has brought millions of people.

effing MET-AL! \00/





oh P.S.....

Trust me, I'm not going to hell because I listened to "Slayer".

God Listens!

....TO SLAYER!



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