The Vatican City Mystery -Can you crack the code?

Thank you, IvanZana.

I fear nothing especially the truth.

Pray for us all and may GOD bless us with peace and unity in the years ahead!

♥

reply to post by IvanZana



Really is no big whoop.

Saint Angel is a term that referse to "Saint Michael the Archangel", and thus they are point out the key to that understanding.

Same understandings can be found within the lost scrolls and also the urantia book.

Plus if you follow the key through the maps of old rome, through to america, you can find the birthing date, time, place, and name of the rebirthing of "the christ".

However this is the "theif in the night" aspect of the "second coming".

It will stand as a key and birthrite to the second coming of "Jesus" upon the clouds of heaven in Glory.

I read that page (I confess that I haven't read it before) and one of the first things on that page is interesting.

The story that follows has been dramatised for better reading.

So, this is a dramatised story that has as its starting point a book from Dan Brown.

I did not read any work by Dan Brown, but from what I have heard about his works I think that this start is not very promising for those who are expecting truth and not fiction.

There are four real Egyptian obelisks removed from Egypt that were rumoured to have been carefully placed in Rome that are part of a forbidden secret. Was this instigated by the Templars or was it the Roman Catholic Church?

What forbidden secret is this? Couldn't the author say what is this secret? Is it the same secret of the Vatican or is it some other secret? Or is it so forbidden that the author does not even know it? Or is it part of the dramatisation?

Also, the Nights Templar were officially endorsed by the Catholic Church, there wasn't such a difference between both organisations, at least at first.

Officially endorsed by the Roman Catholic Church in 1129, the Order became a favored charity across Europe and grew rapidly in membership and power.

Source

THE FIRST OBELISK
This first obelisk was built in honour of the Sun in 1835 BC and has been in that place since 1586.

A large pink granite obelisk can be admired in the center of the square. It was hewn from a single block and stands 25.31 m. high on a base 8.25 m. wide. The obelisk which comes from Heliopolis, Egypt, where it was built by the Pharaoh Mencares in 1835 BC in honor of the sun, was brought to Rome in 37 BC by the Emperor Caligula (37-41) and erected in the circus he built. Here it was silent witness of the martyrdom of St. Peter and of many other Christians. In 1586 Sixtus V had it moved to the center of St. Peter's Square.

Source

THE SECOND OBELISK
The second obelisk, apparently, was dedicated to Ramses II and was put in its present place in 1589.

At the center of the square the obelisk placed here by Domenico Fontana in 1589 as part of the urban plan of Pope Sixtus V. It was originally erected in Heliopolis and it was brought to Rome and placed in the Circus Maximus by Augustus. It is dedicated to Rameses II and is topped by the mountains and the star of Sixtus V (to see all the obelisks of Rome click here). The fountain which is shown in the plate near the obelisk is now in Piazza Nicosia.

Source

In the square where the second obelisk can be found, the author says that:

Wayne would find exactly what he was hoping for. In front of the obelisk above the archway of the Porto Del Popolo was a carving of what appeared to be the Seven Hills of Rome rising up to a star. The first star that comes to mind in the Christ story is the star of Bethlehem associated with the birth of Christ. Wayne had his own thoughts about the Seven Hills and the star.

He did not noticed that the "seven hills" are just six, and that they are part of pope Alexander VII coat of arms.



That face of the "Porta del Popolo" was redecorated to to its present form in 1655, when Queen Christina of Sweden visited Rome.

THE THIRD OBELISK
The third obelisk, also from Ramses II epoch, was put in that place only in 1711.

Source (in Italian)

The author shows his ignorance (or his idea of leading his readers in the wrong direction) when he writes:

The next detail that caught Wayne's eye was the name Agrippa on the front of the Pantheon. Wayne could not help wondering if it had anything to do with Heinrich Agrippa, the historical contemporary of Leonardo Da Vinci, whose Vitruvian man he also replicated.

Agrippa was the Roman General and Consul that ordered the building of the Pantheon, that is why his name is on the front of the Pantheon and not because of Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa, and that name has been there for many centuries.

THE FOURTH OBELISK
The fourth obelisk is not an Egyptian obelisk, it's a Roman obelisk built in the epoch of emperor Titus Flavius Domitianus and it's in that place since 1651.

Source (in Italian)

And I don't understand why "Wayne" would be intrigued by seeing St. Peter holding a key, that is one of the most common ways of representing St. Peter.

So, if those four Egyptian obelisks (that are not all Egyptian) are related to a secret because of their present locations, that could only have been made at the time the last obelisk was put in its present location, 1711.

Also, all those ideas behind the secret (like the seven hills that are six...) only look as a flawed and superficial gathering of unrelated facts when looked up close.

As I do not have any real knowledge of the Church's relation to any "Vatican secrets" and/or their relation to Orion (that does not look like a cross), I will stop my investigations here.

THe fact there are Miles and Miles of private archives dating before the crusades and the templars is undeniable.

Source LinkSecret Archives Accessible Online


VATICAN CITY, JAN. 10, 2006 (Zenit.org).- The Vatican Secret Archives may now be visited on the Internet.

After selecting the language on the Holy See's site (www.vatican.va...), a click on the Focus section of the home page offers a virtual walk through the archives' age-old halls amid frescoes and documents.

One may (virtually) page through documents such as the 14th-century Parchment of Chinon, which records the absolution of Pope Clement V of the leading members of the Templar Order. Also accessible are the proceedings of the trial against Galileo Galilei.

Among other treasures, the Vatican Secret Archives include key documents concerning the history of single nations.

"Moreover, for some countries, the Vatican documents are the oldest ones, which even mark the beginning of their own national history," explains the Web page.

The archives include about 85 linear kilometers (52 miles) of shelves. The oldest document dates to the eighth century, while the archives have an almost uninterrupted documentation starting from 1198.

The archives are primarily used by the Pope and the Roman Curia. In 1881, by decision of Pope Leo XIII, part of the archives was opened to be consulted by scholars, "thus becoming the most important center of historical research in the world."

Some of the history that is said to be housed is a detailed record of of the antedeluvian world (pre-flood).



One can only imagine the information that has beem hidden during the last 2 thousands years.

The knights Templars, and crusaders, travelled the world searching for all antiquities not pertaining to the Catholic agenda. Such as the mayan records, egyptian , etc. All the information had to underprotection throughout the thousands of years of global wars and power transfers i am sure. Where,is the mystery.

What do you expect from a 'religious' country that has anough money to feed all the hungry many times over. But they being religious i guess its beeter to hord all the earths antiquities , wealth, and history.



[edit on 1-1-2008 by IvanZana]

[edit on 1-1-2008 by IvanZana]

reply to post by IvanZana


Interesting find, I wasn't aware that they were put onto the internet. ATS should put up some things they find in the Vatican Internet Archives. There are likely to be some things that could spark some nice discussions.

SOURCE....There have been several attempts to create indices by past archivists, but they were incomplete to begin with. The archives have been moved and looted several times during their long history. Most of the medieval records that survived the Babylonian Captivity were lost during the Sack of Rome in the sixteenth century; Napoleon took them to Paris in the eighteenth where many volumes were recycled into butcher paper; and much fell into the hands of the Italian government later on.

That is a pretty good reason to hide the important earth records in myteries rapped in enigmas.

Butcher paper? wow

reply to post by IvanZana


85 linear kilometres is not that much for an archive of that type.

The company where I work makes and sells software for archives, and only the archives of the last 350 years (and older than 30 years, I think) of the Portuguese army have at least 15 linear kilometres.

I think that they have more than those 85 linear kilometres...

Originally posted by ArMaP
So, this is a dramatised story that has as its starting point a book from Dan Brown.

If you'll notice, the name of the character in the dramatized story is the same as the author of the website. Therefore I think that it is a dramatized account of his own explorations.

reply to post by queenannie38


OK, but how much of that story is true?

And how can we know?

Even if the information that he gives was correct, how can we know if it was written in that way because of the dramatization or not?

Early modern (Renaissance) fortresses - including towns (like Palmanova, in northern Italy, for example) - were regularly built in the shape of "stars".
It's a convention in military architecture: the shape of the ramparts makes it much easier to defend it and much more difficult to conquer it.
(Which was all the more important because Italy, especially, saw countless sieges in its long and bloody history.)

If you read any treatise on military architecture, the reasons for such a shape will become perfectly clear.

As to what does the "key" unlock... Why, the lock of Saint Peter's gates, of course.

Originally posted by ArMaP
OK, but how much of that story is true?

And how can we know?

That's up to the each of us, I am sure!

Even if the information that he gives was correct, how can we know if it was written in that way because of the dramatization or not?

Personally, I am just going to take the author at his word - that he wrote the dramatization to try to make it more interesting to the reader.

From the end of the XV Century, the Pontiffs kept the most sensitive documents for the protection of the rights and the interests of the Holy See at Castel S. Angelo, that was changed into an archive by Sixtus IV. Initially, it was arranged geographically and according to the subjects, then with Clement VIII the archives were divided into two series of Armaria: 12 Armaria superiora, marked with the letters A to M and mainly containing the diplomatic correspondence of the Holy See, and 18 Armaria inferiora. The documents inside these cabinets were kept in over 200 wooden capsae or capsulae (capsules). In 1798, the Archive of Castel S. Angelo was transferred, for safety reasons, to the Vatican Secret Archives and it is now one of its most precious fonds

asv.vatican.va...

Ivan thank you for posting this, I really am intrigued. I will look through all the links provided and see what I come up with. As a landscape Architect this kind of design really fascinates me. Thanks for the puzzle. Salutations~Animal