Nibiru's 'First Phase' Due Fall 2009!

Originally posted by xnibirux
ok i get the idea, planet x does not exist

Look, xnibirux... That post wasn't meant for you..

I was just trying to explain my position to Alex, since i had the feeling he doesn't understand me.

As i told you before, i don't want to try to convince you of anything, and in fact, i even understand you. I had a very good friend, just like you. Also in Ashtar Command..


All i want to know, is that you are going to be ok, if it should turn out not to be true.. Otherwise, believe whatever you want to..


But you have to understand, that some of us are always going to test theories, before believing them. It's not, that we want to disproove it, it's just verification. And so far, from the data we got, i simply don't see any proof for it. That's all...

Originally posted by deezee

Look, xnibirux... That post wasn't meant for you..

I was just trying to explain my position to Alex, since i had the feeling he doesn't understand me.

As i told you before, i don't want to try to convince you of anything, and in fact, i even understand you. I had a very good friend, just like you. Also in Ashtar Command..


All i want to know, is that you are going to be ok, if it should turn out not to be true.. Otherwise, believe whatever you want to..


But you have to understand, that some of us are always going to test theories, before believing them. It's not, that we want to disproove it, it's just verification. And so far, from the data we got, i simply don't see any proof for it. That's all...

I have many beliefs concerning the year 2012, all of which cannot be supported with proof. I believe nothing can stop the depletion of our ozone layer and nothing can stop us from reaching the peak of our evolution.(The link doesn't wanna work) Go to youtube search david wilcock 2012, watch all parts. Intriguing

[edit on 15-2-2008 by xnibirux]

Xnibirux:

We are not fighthing you to believe us its not real, the problem is that right now there isnt any significant data to pounder this idea to further debate. You know every day amateur astronomers finds new comets, new meteorites and even new extra solar planets that are very far away, why can we see this and we cant see coming a planetoid thing..or brown dwarf or whatever you may thing PX is....why is so special that nobody in the world cant see with telescope but then we see reports of people seeing it with just plain eyes...???? or even photos (from the ingamous ZT site) that they think its pX and in reality are sundogs......


If you can find some real good data then we will investigate further, but right now i have not come with any significant one to say..woow wait a sec maybe this things is not entierely wrong...

Originally posted by AlexDJ
Xnibirux:

We are not fighthing you to believe us its not real, the problem is that right now there isnt any significant data to pounder this idea to further debate. You know every day amateur astronomers finds new comets, new meteorites and even new extra solar planets that are very far away, why can we see this and we cant see coming a planetoid thing..or brown dwarf or whatever you may thing PX is....why is so special that nobody in the world cant see with telescope but then we see reports of people seeing it with just plain eyes...???? or even photos (from the ingamous ZT site) that they think its pX and in reality are sundogs......


If you can find some real good data then we will investigate further, but right now i have not come with any significant one to say..woow wait a sec maybe this things is not entierely wrong...

Well I understand enough that you believe nibiru isn't out there....... next idea? Earth reaches its Zero Time Reference.

[edit on 15-2-2008 by xnibirux]

reply to post by harddrive21


I dont have any comment on this thread but the Russian Academy of Sciences is a very reputable school of higher education. You might want to look things up before you make blanket statements. Just because something is in another Country doesnt mean its bogus. Deny Ignorance

People I dont care what proof anyone gives on this site it will never be proof enough. I have taken statements that people made about subjects right off CNN and/or Fox and put them on this website and other members will question the statement in to the ground, even with a date time group of the show or If another member says they saw it also, we even have moderators that will ignore the mention of an article or statement and say you are ludicrous in your hypothesis of an event. If you U2U them, they wont answer you. People are not objective, not because they cant be, because they dont want to be. As far as all these people with SCHOLAR on their profile....I would like to see SOME PROOF OF THAT because there are some ding dong scholars on here that would not research anything if you gave them a link, a book or even a mind beam.

Now that I am done with that.

1. It does seem to me that it would be logical, from the size of the object being reported, that amateur astronomers would be all over this.

2. There are some weird phenomina that has yet to be explained about the orbital rotation of Uranus and Neptune and that an object of proportional size would explain this.

3. Absurd or not it does pose some interesting question about our universe, it also poses possible questions of disinformation and to the nature of Conditioning of threats to the Earth. None the less it is an interesting concept and good conversation.

wow.. amazing some of you can actually tie your shoes in the morning..

and I agree with the line "let's see the proof".. it's lazy and ignorant.

alot of people on here say "amateur astrologist cant see it, it must be fake."

why the hell do you you think they built a big deep space telescope at the south poll? because thats the direction that it would be coming from..

read some books people.. do some research... just cause you disagree with it doesn't make it wrong or not true!
this place as lost its "deny ignorance" and has just become "deny thought or discussion."

I personally am still on the fence when it comes to planet X just from the fact that it is VERY possible.
though, the more I read on it, the more possible it seems.

as humans, we know little

ok...something isn't adding up to me...and please by all means let me know if I missed something somewhere or whatever:

OK, you see this mystical body out there, along with the sun. Great. But then it just disappears? Something that size would not be able to be seen only once a day, and then an hour later disappear. There would have to be evidence of it at some other point in a day. It just doesn't work like that, unless it is inside the orbit of mercury, and that has yet to be proven.

A possible solution to what you saw was glare (especially if you look through glass) or sun dogs.

Now don't get me wrong...I want to believe there is another planet in our solar system. But until I see irrefutable proof, I just ain't gunna buy it...sorry folks!

That is all I have to say, thanks for your time


Oh...and don't you think they would have seen it by now if it was by mercury? they take enough pics of the sun....

[edit on 27-2-2008 by unknownfrost]

Originally posted by pynner
why the hell do you you think they built a big deep space telescope at the south poll? because thats the direction that it would be coming from..

There is no reason for an object to be invisible from other points on the earth. It's impossible for something to hide, because it's coming from "below"...

This excuse only works for people, who don't understand, that the earth goes around the sun. Similiar to the one, that Nibiru is hiding behind the sun..

Wherever it comes from, it would be visible MOST of EACH year.


Do you really think building a tellescope on a pole means some sinister conspiracy?

There are MANY other reasons for putting a tellescope there.

Several months long nights are one of them. Clean air and no light pollution is another.

Originally posted by pynnerread some books people.. do some research...

Most of us did.

And then we noticed, that the so called "facts" about PX don't even fit together with themselves, never mind each other.

Originally posted by pynnerjust cause you disagree with it doesn't make it wrong or not true!

You are right.. But it works the other way around as well..

Also, simply because a new age author and a dellusional "contactee" are saying so, also doesn't make it true.


I've seen proof of Stitchin making up his picture of the ancient "rocket ship" from two other pictures, that don't contain anything futuristic.

And once you see one dellusional person in real life, as opposed to just reading their prophecies, certain things become painfully obvious.

Originally posted by pynner this place as lost its "deny ignorance" and has just become "deny thought or discussion."

So you believe bringing logic and science into a discussion is the same as denying discussion?


It's believers, who don't discuss the thing they believe in, as soon as any real questions are asked. They just state their beliefs, and ignore everything that may oppose them, if looked into.

Originally posted by pynnerthe more I read on it, the more possible it seems.

You know, i know you won't believe me about this, but i know why you feel so and i understand why.

When you read about things like that, or watch videos that put forward what they call "facts", people start getting this feeling, that it may be true..

And the more you watch, the stronger this feeling becomes.


I've went through a similiar thing many years ago, and also lost a friend to it..


Still, when i started watching the PX videos, and read people's thoughts about it, i got this feeling again.. I actually thought it might be true..


But then i started doing some real research, not the kind of "research" in which you only look into the supporting books and videos.

In real science you always have to look at both sides of the argument.. Otherwise you can't be objective.. Never mind if you let emotions into the mix...


Besides, people have a tendency to believe negative things over positive ones.. It's an old survival mechanism.. It was better to believe in a non existing danger and be too carefull, than not to be carefull enough.. If you forgot to be carefull only once, your chances of dying immediatelly increased.

This is also the reason, why we see faces and other forms in random patterns.. It's better to see a lion in a bush, when there is none, than not to see it when there is one..


Still, a bad feeling in your gut, after reading many books, doesn't make it true..


If you think your belief is well grounded, well then please be the fist believer to answer the logical questions, instead of ignoring them or bursting out with insults..

If you can present support for PX in a way that makes sense, i'll be the first to admitt there's something to it.

But if all you have is the same old explanations (excuses) that were used as facts so far, well.. We looked into them long ago, and they don't fit together, as i mentioned before.

There seems to be confusion among the 'believers' about where this mysterious planet is approaching from. Some suggest it's hiding behind the sun but a little study of orbital mechanics shows this to be impossible 365 days/year. Others suggest it's approaching in the deep southern sky so those residing in the northern hemisphere have no chance to see it yet but remember there exists a southern hemisphere and guess where I live - 43 degrees south with an excellent view of the south celestial pole and surrounding sky. That's a particularly empty part of the sky and anything out of the ordinary there would be immediately obvious.

Something I raised elsewhere is related to 'phases' of the object. If it's approaching from outside the solar system it wouldn't have any 'phases' (like the moon has phases) and would display a fully illuminated disc to us at all times just as the known outer planets do because we see them at night with the sun always behind us at that time. This aspect makes it impossible for any large reflective object to 'sneak up' on us unobserved.

If there ever was a planet-sized intruder to the inner solar system that may have caused chaos on its entry like earthquakes, floods, destruction, pole shifts - I believe it's already here and has been for a very long time. I see it every day and it's been named Venus. Note it rotates on its axis in the opposite direction to all the other planets and shows signs of superheating of a frozen world that came in close to the sun's heat and was captured in an orbit. Maybe we see Nibiru every day and even make wishes on it

Originally posted by Pilgrum
There seems to be confusion among the 'believers' about where this mysterious planet is approaching from.

Well, if you consider where most of their "data" is coming from, the reason for this becomes painfully obvious..

When a dellusional person is "channeling" information from aliens, they make this information up in a way, that it makes sense to them. And since their knowledge about these things is often very limited, you get things like "phases", hiding behind the sun and hiding below the north pole..


But believing this,requires you to be completelly ignorant of even the simplest astronomical facts.

i dont think its coming...i heard it was DISINFO to make the masses panic and look what its doin right now????
Overall i hear it is rather a 2nd sun or somethin im not too sure but you folks should read the Projectcamelot.org site and look up the norwegian politician that talks about Planet X....i dont even know what to believe anymore
kinda confused with all that disinfo and mishaps...what do some of you folks think????

Anyways heres this letter that was sent to Projectcamelot.....and this was around dec of 07 i believe....the only part i believe so far was the SEED BANKS in the Svalbard area because that was confirmed with sources and it was also on the NEWS LMAO....

I am a Norwegian politician. I would like to say that difficult things will happen from the year 2008 till the year 2012.

The Norwegian government is building more and more underground bases and bunkers. When asked, they simply say that it is for the protection of the people of Norway. When I enquire when they are due to be finished, they reply "before 2011".

Israel is also doing the same and many other countries too.

My proof that what I am saying is true is in the photographs I have sent of myself and all the Prime Ministers and ministers I tend to meet and am acquainted with. They know all of this, but they don't want to alarm the people or create mass panic.

Planet X is coming, and Norway has begun with storage of food and seeds in the Svalbard area and in the arctic north with the help of the US and EU and all around in Norway. They will only save those that are in the elite of power and those that can build up again: doctors, scientists, and so on.

As for me, I already know that I am going to leave before 2012 to go the area of Mosjøen where we have a deep underground military facility. There we are divided into sectors, red, blue and green. The signs of the Norwegian military are already given to them and the camps have already been built a long time ago.

The people that are going to be left on the surface and die with along the others will get no help whatsoever. The plan is that 2,000,000 Norwegians are going to be safe, and the rest will die. That means 2,600,000 will perish into the night not knowing what to do.

All the sectors and arks are connected with tunnels and have railcars that can take you from one ark to the other. This is so that they can be in contact with each other. Only the large doors separate them so that the sectors are not compromised in any matter.

I am very sad. Often I cry with others that know that so many will learn too late, and then it will all be over for them. The government has been lying to the people from 1983 till now. All the major politicians know this in Norway, but few will say it to the people and the public - because they are afraid in case they too will miss the NOAH 12 railcars that will take them to the ark sites where they will be safe.

If they tell anyone, they are dead for sure. But I don't care any more about myself. Mankind must survive and the species must survive. People must know this.

All the governments in the world are aware of this and they just say it is going to happen. For those of the people that can save themselves I can only say reach for higher ground and find caves up in the high places where you can have a food storage for at least five years with canned food and water to last for a while. Radiation pills and biosuits are also advisable if your budget allows it.

For the last time I say may God help us all... but God will not help us I know. Only each person individually can make a difference. Wake up, please...!

I could have written to you using another name but I am not afraid of anything any more. When you know certain things, you become invincible and no harm can come to you when you know that the end is soon.

I assure you 100% that things will happen. There are four years to prepare for the endgame. Get weapons, and make survival groups, and a place where you can be safe with food for a time.

Ask me anything and I will answer as much as I know about the Norwegian connection to all this. And just look around: they are building underground bases and bunkers everywhere. Open your eyes, people. Ask the governments what they are building, and they will say "Oh, it's just storage for food", and so on. They blind you with all the lies.

The marks of the alien presence are also there, and I often see the Norwegian elite politicians are not what they say they are. It's like they are controlled in every thought, and what they have to say is just as they are told to do things in such manners. It is clear for me who they are, and who they are not. You can see it in their eyes and in their minds.

Remember that those who are going to be in and around the city areas in 2012 are those that are going to be hit first and die first. Later the army will purge the rest of the survivors and they have a shoot to kill order if there is any resistance to bring them into the camps where every one will get marked with a number and a tag.

I also see that Benazir Bhutto is spoken of on your site. Her death was tragic. I have met Benazir, as you can see. You will also see from the photographs that I have met with a number of other notable politicians and world leaders.

The public will not know what happens till the very end, because the government does not want to create mass panic. Everything will happen quietly and the government will just disappear.

But I say this: don't go quietly into the night. Take precautions to be safe with your family. Come together with others. Work together to find ways to solve all the many problems you will face.

Kind regards

[Name and proof of identity supplied]

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From immediate further correspondence, and in response to our specific questions, we can add the following clarifications in our source's own words:

I have been to several underground bases [number given]. We used the railcars to get around. Only a few special people were selected to be shown around. Those that run with the elite know of this.

I have evidence of my claims. I trust my sources 100%, but they are afraid to tell what they know. People are afraid for their lives and that is how it is. I just also want the public to know what the hell is going on. I am not afraid of death or any other thing.

All the elite politicians in Norway know of this. They also know that if they reveal anything they will be removed from office and will be denied access to the different underground bases when the time is up.

The NOAH 12 railcars are transport railcars between the different bases underground. They have a support system of these all around from one base to another. They are mainly used by the military and they control all of them. There are orange triangle symbols in each base and the check-ins are a kind of energy field that everyone has to go through.

The future for my children is all I think of - and that for all the other children growing up in the new world. We have to make a difference for them so that they grow up knowing what their parents did for them, such as giving this information to people like yourselves.

In 2009 the government of FRP will come into power and Siv Jensen will be elected Prime Minister. This is already known. It's important to understand that. The elections are all fake and the same persons and power elite get elected each time in turn. Look up the political history of Norway, and the people that run the country now.

Please share this information with the rest of the internet. When the time comes people will survive because of the information they have learned from the different sites on the net.

I will not get anything but trouble from posting this, and I have no need to mislead anyone. I do this only to expose what is to happen in my country and that maybe some people will survive what is to come.

Kind regards

[Name supplied]

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After posting the above, we presented more questions to our source, who replied with the intriguing information which follows.

The paragraphs indented and marked with an asterisk (*) constitute further supplementary information received after we had asked a number of additional clarifying questions.

When I was in the military I was in the [name of service given]. At one point we were given a task to get something out of a base and deliver it to another base.

We were told: "DO NOT ASK ANY QUESTIONS. JUST DO YOUR JOB." Later, when we landed outside the base, we were taken by trucks to outside the base where there were large doors heavily guarded by other military personnel.

Or it seemed like they were military, but they had different suits on them: orange and black suits with the orange suits having a golden triangle on them and the black suits having a green triangle.

* As far as I can remember the triangle went downwards, like a pyramid but facing down and had some weird kind of sign it it. To me it looked like the letter 'E', but the lines were not connected in the 'E' like we write the letter 'E'. It was shaped like the 'E' and in the middle the letter 'E' was pointing inwards... not as in any language I can read or understand, and certainly not in Norwegian.

* The signs were as far as I can remember not on the arms because I saw them clearly... they were at the left side of the black suit just over the chest area and on the caps they had on. The signs were not that big - just as a regular sized patch is, but clear enough to see them.

We went through the large doors. I was thinking what the hell is this, and I felt a bit scared at first. It was like something out of a science fiction movie. This was the first time I was in such a base.

We then came to a 500 meter long tunnel and there were more of these military personnel waiting with guns and transport for us. We were divided up in groups. Some went another way, and I and my group were asked to come with the black suited guards so they could take us to another location. When we came to the end we were asked to put on some masks "for our own protection".

I was thinking for our own protection... aren't we already protected by being inside this huge underground complex and by guards with weapons?

We were then asked to step inside a railcar... and this is what I know of the railcars. They are run by some kind of blue crystal energy, I think, or at least that is how it appeared. Then we sat in the cars and I asked one of the guards "What is this?" He replied, "You don't need to know this, sir."

* At the front where the operator sits there was a box with a window just besides him, and just when before powering up you could see the large purple-blue crystals emitting a purple-bluish light... not blinding you but quite beautiful to watch indeed. I have never ever seen such energy light or crystals anywhere. I was thinking that must be the power source.

* Later on in the base I saw that some people were working on these purple-blue crystals. They were larger than the ones I saw in the railcar - ca. one meter in length and they were lined up one after the other. They were taking some light through them. They were in fact purple-blue and when the light went inside they turned more blue and had a stronger color - the people had white masks on and goggles standing away from them when the light was going inside the crystals. I was about 20 meters from them and we were quickly rushed along when they said "Move on now."

* I also think that the energy fields that we went through before entering the check-in were powered by these crystals, because it was the same kind of light - or so it seemed to me. If I remember more I will let you know.

I could see that there was a tube-like system and the other railcars were just going so fast you just saw a light going by. I think this was a vacuum tube system where there is no drag.

* The railcars were just like the tube itself but inside. The tube was a bit larger. The main car or transport shuttle was I think ca. 12 meters in length and had a pointed shape in front and back and had seating for 10 people with the operator. You could drive them both ways and it was not necessary to turn it around. It was sealed from the side after you go inside and was quite okay... but the speed was too much, and I got sick after the ride.

* There was also some room for some cargo that you could take with you, but not much. There were a lot of these railcars around, as it seemed, and they just went passing by just like a light passes by in a flash. But you don't get to see the other rails either, because it's so fast that you forget to look and rather concentrate on your stomach when inside one of these.

Later on, after I went into politics, I found out what was inside of the rest of the base and what the bases are for, which I have already told you. I know that when this railcar moved - and it moved fast - I had never seen anything like this before. Later when we arrived at the end station I was feeling sick, and the other people that were there also felt the same way. One of the guards said it happens the first time to everyone.

When we came outside we were given goggles and asked to go through a security check. This is where it all gets weird.

There were guards with weapons all over the place... and remember I told you about the energy fields that one has to go through. I was thinking I should not be here at this place, and I was a little scared.

Then we got through this energy field and came to another room. I saw that there was a screen on the side of the wall that said HUMAN - NOT HUMAN - PURE - NOT PURE.

After I saw this I was thinking: Are there 'NOT HUMANS' too ??

* At the energy field check-in there was a screen, which I mentioned before. There was a weird language on the screen. I have never seen this before. Underneath it stood letters that were like the 'E' I told you about - but the only thing I could read was HUMAN - NOT HUMAN - PURE - NOT PURE.

[ Project Camelot note: we are seeking further clarification on this ]

The guards stopped us and told us to change clothes inside another room and come with them. When we had done so they said that it was time to go further down. Again, I was thinking how large is this place? We just came out of a rail system that runs for miles and miles... and then there is more?

We were then taken to a lift system, with seats, that was going to take us down... or, this is what I thought it was going to do. But it went sideways for about three minutes. In this place, time was not known to me because we had no way of telling what the time was. They had taken everything away from us at the check-ins.

* At the lift I remember I saw a letter that look like a headphone - like the hearing phones you have on your head when listening to music. It was just bent like that if you see it from the front side and pointing down.

All I can say is that when our job was done I was thinking that the world is not as it seems to be, and that many things are hidden from the public. It makes me sad and scared.

Later, when I got into politics, I began digging into this because I needed more answers. What I found out was that these bases were Arks for the government and some of the people and military to survive inside. There was a threat from outside that was going to be in the year 2012 and that the human species had to survive.

The 'Planet X' I learned about is from all what I have seen till now. The government knows this and are keeping it from the public. They have been tracking this object for a long time now and were given the first warnings from the USA.

I know that 18 bases exist in Norway. I don't know what many of the dangers are because I am not a scientist. But what I know is that before 2012 the different governments are going to leave for the bases that they have built for the last 40 or 50 years.

If this object goes by, there will be a lot of problems on the surface of the Earth. That is all I know. This is why they go underground.

If such an event comes, they have made sure that five years or more underground is going to be what they need to avoid this. When they know it's safe to surface, they will rebuild again. We were just told that we have to leave before 2012 and that there is something in space that is going to cause much destruction.

* I don't know if there is a threat from the sun itself. I am not so much into the science of things. I am just telling what I have seen and nothing more.

I can say that I have already said too much, but the people are now warned about this...

I have no need to make this up or create mass panic. I just want to tell the public what is to come, and I have done what I can from my side.

There are things in this world that are not known to the public. And there is one thing I can say about all this:

Be ready and have faith in yourself. There is no help in trusting the governments. Trust only yourself.

Kind regards

[Name supplied]

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Comment from Project Camelot:
There is no 'hard' scientific data in our source's warning. The information does not explain exactly how or why 'Planet X' is such a threat (although we may guess). There is also no specific information about the exact need to go underground.

Our source is saying exactly what they know, and no more. It is very plausible that that as a politician the message's focus is on vital sociopolitical issues rather than science.

For more information about 'Planet X' and what it may or may not be, please visit Andy Lloyd's excellent website here, or Marshall Masters' website here. We were told by Henry Deacon (and this has also been widely reported by others) that the South Pole Telescope has been built to track what Henry called the 'second sun'. We urge readers to do their own research.

Between now and 2012 and beyond, many differing views, channeled messages, and insider revelations will come to the fore. Project Camelot is working hard on a documentary that will cover both positive and not so positive projections of our future.

It goes without saying that it is our sincere hope, prayer and full intention that the events portrayed above will not come to pass.

We are all co-creators of our world, from moment to moment. We urge each and every one of you to participate in consciously co-creating a bright and positive future for humanity, and to work with us in waking the sleeping and bringing to light the truth - wherever it may lead.

Ok, just watched part 1 of this Planet X thing.

First off:

Mega tsunamis as a word was introduced after the 9.6 quake in Indonesia.

Storm Surge has been around for a VERY long time.

Severe flooding is just that, nothing special and again has been around for a very long time.

Super Quakes is an expression used for earthquakes above 8.

Killer heat waves is caused by in part global warming and solar flares.

The reason why they have implemented more earthquake warning systems is to reduce the loss of life by pre warning.

Farmlands are being lost due to the increase in planet temperature. There is also scientific proof that the earth goes through a period of natural warming and cooling every x amount of years, but amplified by global warming.

This is a long thread,

I do not have much input either way at the moment. There is enough information to read for a while, which should give insight.

I have been aware of changes going on within us. How I know is not for this thread.

op- when you talked about dna changes, and energy grids, this is what I have been dreaming about, being in our near future.

Thanks for the heads up

ps. if any of you want your own answers....just ask

Regarding the posted letter, I have a few concerns.

I deal with allot of foreigners and have studied linguistics (my vocab has sucked lately due to non-practice, but for those curious: German and Japanese). A friend of mine was a Russian linguist in military intel (was basically a secretary who mowed the lawn and spoke Russian.), he lived in Finland for a few years.. I have spoke with many non-english speaking people. This letter from a "Norwegian politician" just smells wrong.

It is too meticulous, it was written by a native English speaker. Europeans learn the Queens English with certain idiosyncrasies due to it being formal form. IE: Contractive prose is very unusual.
Also: Language changes behavior and structure of the way ideas are presented:

People who speak Spanish (Mexico-spanish) and Japanese tend to be a bit vague. Japanese natives will presume you are talking about the same topic until something is expressly stated otherwise. The Mexican/Latinos that I know will pick up a conversation we last had 3 hours previously then back track after they get stared at with cow eyes... etc..

There are certain keys in the way people express ideas. The person who wrote that letter was born into American English. Also: Politicians tend to use passive form writing-it's all a testimony, that is very active tense while the verbiage was present tense. I will leave it to you to look up the strengths and uses of each. Ultimately: Non-native speakers keep the habits they pick up by their first few teachers-this is true of all.

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Science question regarding this:
I had been wondering: Regardless of the direction the Planet X is supposed to be coming from, why do we only detect perturbations on two of the planets? If coming from below, why isn't it present on all? Any ideas?

Right, I'm just popping into this thread once again to say:

* Planet X is a hoax
* It's not coming
* 2012 is going to be just another year

The Oort cloud extends a quarter way to our nearest star. There could well be something hiding amongst all of that, but I doubt we'll ever find it in the next hundred years.

In the mean time, we have other things to worry about in space.

Originally posted by mattguy404
Right, I'm just popping into this thread once again to say:

* Planet X is a hoax
* It's not coming
* 2012 is going to be just another year

The Oort cloud extends a quarter way to our nearest star. There could well be something hiding amongst all of that, but I doubt we'll ever find it in the next hundred years.

In the mean time, we have other things to worry about in space.

Yeah, every time I hear "2012 is the end! This Calender or that one mysterious ends!"..Well... theres only so much space on a rock for dates, Im sure they thought theyd be around to make another or similar.

Still find it interesting to read about.

My proof that what I am saying is true is in the photographs I have sent of myself and all the Prime Ministers and ministers I tend to meet and am acquainted with. They know all of this, but they don't want to alarm the people or create mass panic.

I'm laughing at the ridiculous suggestion that this is in any way "proof" that Planet X is coming to get us !

Absolute rubbish.

Originally posted by lordtyp0
I deal with allot of foreigners and have studied linguistics
This letter from a "Norwegian politician" just smells wrong.
It is too meticulous, it was written by a native English speaker.

Thank you for your analysis! I wanted to comment on it as well, but not from this angle.. I'm very glad you did..


Otherwise, this letter from a "Norwegian politician" just stinks of a hoax.. But i think, it is most likely, that it was created by someone, who believes in the PX thing, and thinks, it's a good way to warn people.

Believers often do things like this... They create a "hoax", but don't think of it that way. They believe it's for a greater good.. I've even seen them completelly believing in their own made up stories..


There was a similiar or identical letter a while ago, in relation to a seed vault being built in a bunker in Norway.. Someone must have read about it, and his/her paranoid brain made click.

Saying it is from a Norwegian politician, is just a pathetic attempt, at making it seem more real. I know it works on some people, but if you know, how these people think, it is very obvious..