Nibiru's 'First Phase' Due Fall 2009!

Originally posted by xnibirux
This just goes to show how dim-hearted people can get to not even give an inch for Nibiru's existence.

But why would we want to believe in something that does not exist?

For me? There are way too many coincidences for this celestial body not to exist.

A coincidence is a perception of reality. Facts are reality.

It is sad to see so many people turn away and against the possibility of its existence.

But there is no reason to believe it exists. No facts, no data, nothing but a belief.

On another hand, falling into a deeper sleep in reality is what I fear for many people. Me? I am wide awake to the realization that our civilization is the Age of Mind Control; a corrupted system of dishonesty that see's itself repeating generation after generation, no change. I believe having the knowledge of what is meant to be kept from the public(but is not thanks to the internet)(this may change soon) is the only way to escape the system. If every one of us takes in this 'forbidden knowledge', we can change this corrupt system in which we live. That is what I believe. I cannot see how anyone else could be blind-hearted to all of this.

Knowledge is based on learning from facts. Please present some forbidden facts for us to learn. I will gladly listen to and take in any knowledge that would help me and others.

On a separate note, you have posted previously that you only have your belief in planet x and nothing more. If I were to say I have the same level of belief it does not exist. Both of us cannot be right so how do we measure these beliefs to determine who is right?

Until I can awaken everyone, I am through talking with those that are asleep. I have a variety of print outs that will(step by step) explain certain subjects that will have people on their toes. These print outs explain other subjects that prepare sleeping minds to endure the information more openly.

Originally posted by xnibirux
Until I can awaken everyone, I am through talking with those that are asleep. I have a variety of print outs that will(step by step) explain certain subjects that will have people on their toes. These print outs explain other subjects that prepare sleeping minds to endure the information more openly.

I think I am asking fair questions.

I notice every time I do ask a question that may be difficult to answer, you reply exactly the same way by stating that you are through talking with those that are asleep. Surely your belief system is not so weak as to stand the scrutiny of a few reasonable questions?

Originally posted by xnibirux
This just goes to show how dim-hearted people can get to not even give an inch for Nibiru's existence.

Oh really? I analyzed the presented evidence as objectivelly as humanly possible. I considered ALL the possibilities and discovered that only ONE fits the observed effects.

And still i asked if anyone has a better explanation in the beginning and in the end of my post. Did you offer any?

Besides, what is the above quote even supposed to mean? That we should show some compassion for Nibiru? Or maybe that we should show some compassion to the believers?

I know that you want to believe. I know that you need to believe. I also know why. I've been there (well close) myself and i had many friends, that were in, as deep as you are now, or deeper. And because of that i also know, there is nothing that will convince you otherwise, except for the expiration date. Or maybe a couple of them...

So i was not trying to convince YOU of anything. I was just analyzing the evidence shown to us.

And i used logic while analyzing it. No insults, nothing emotional, just logic.
If you are offended or hurt by logic, the problem is not with me.

Originally posted by xnibirux
For me? There are way too many coincidences for this celestial body not to exist.

Yes, coincidences that are completelly unrelated to each other and wouldn't mean anything without a story behind them.

And many more "coincidences", that are simply made up. For example the earthquake activity increasing... I just read, that 2007 was among the more peacefull years, when it comes to earthquakes.

Originally posted by xnibirux
It is sad to see so many people turn away and against the possibility of its existence.

You mean turning away from believing in it without a reason?

For some reasons, all of you believers, no matter what you believe, think that the people you call skeptics, are believers of the opposite.

But you are wrong. We just prefer to base our "beliefs" on logic and facts and if something can not be completely prooven one way or the other, on the most probable possibility.


You on the other hand, base your beliefs on what you want to believe, on what feels good. And at the same time you think you are openminded.

But for me, open mindedness means considering ALL of the possibilities (not just the one you like) and assigning them probabilities, before deciding which one is the most likely. Oh, and to accept the most likely one, even if you don't like it.

But i don't blame you. I know it's hard to be objective. I know people often believe their emotions are the ultimate truth, without asking themselves, where these emotions originate from.
Besides, at least you are not selling books and scaring people or even brainwashing them.

Originally posted by xnibirux
Me? I am wide awake to the realization that our civilization is the Age of Mind Control; a corrupted system of dishonesty that see's itself repeating generation after generation, no change.
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That is what I believe. I cannot see how anyone else could be blind-hearted to all of this.

What's all this got to do with Nibiru?
Why do you compare not believing in a planet with impossible properties, to not caring about our civilisation?
I mean, i know why.. But do you?


The only reason you are using this comparison is, that almost ALL of the new age writers (and especially Nancy) mix such common beliefs as "Life sucks", "Our government is corrupt" and similiar factoids, real or made up in their books (or websites).

But the reason they do this is only to make you feel emotional about the subject and to create a feeling of agreeing in you. These things make you think "She is right!" or "Hmm, i agree." and "That is SO TRUE! If only people would realize that!".

This in turn makes some people believe the rest is true as well. Not to mention, that it blames someone else for their unhappyness. People always like to believe it is someone elses fault. This way they don't have to accept responsibility for their own life. Blaming others makes you feel a bit better.

And then the book (or site) offers some absolution from the suffering. You don't have to do anything but wait and believe. Like "Jesus is going to come and wipe away the evil and we will go to Heaven" or "The photon belt is coming we will ascend to a higher dimension." or "The Ashtar Command is coming and we will all just have to step into the beams of light to ascend." or "Nibiru is coming, our DNA is crystalyzing...." You know the rest.

It's always the same methods and the same scenario. Only some minor details are different.


And the people saying this often believe what they are saying. If you only knew, how often they are dellusional....

Many of these people are so miserable and incapable of dealing with their often traumatic past and accepting responsibility for their lives, that their brain makes up a story to make them feel better. It can even make them hallucinate. Often they use certain "things", to help them hallucinate and believe stuff like that. Because these beliefs make them feel at least a little bit better, they simply don't want to let go of them. That's why it is sometimes completely impossible to help them.

And then there is another group of people, who are not that miserable, but just unhappy enough, to want to believe the first group of people.


When such a belief system destroys itself, because it sets an expiration date on itself, the crash can be horrible.

And believe me, when i say, i don't want that to happen to you.


There is one thing that can help with this. If you realize, the only thing that can make you happy or unhappy is you yourself, you can slowly but surely crawl out of it. It is a belief that is making you feel better - your belief, your brain. It CAN do the same WITHOUT Nibiru!

It takes a lot of time and a lot of work, but it is more than worth it.

Besides, you're doing it all the time anyway.. It's called thinking. If you just switch the content for a pleasant one, everything can change.

You were taught your way of thinking and feeling and it took time before it took the shape it has now. You can teach yourself a different, positive and encouraging way of thinking and feeling. It takes time, but every moment you spend trying makes it worth your while.

I only know of a few people including myself that even know what will happen in 2012, and no one else can see that because they aren't open to believing anything unless there is proof or 'evidence'. I cannot prove anything that hasn't happened yet. So it is all based on intuition, and no one would agree with me on this because they are too caught up in their own physical system of reality that they refuse to believe anything unless they can actually see it, other than using their intuition as their support.

Originally posted by xnibirux
I only know of a few people including myself that even know what will happen in 2012, and no one else can see that because they aren't open to believing anything unless there is proof or 'evidence'. I cannot prove anything that hasn't happened yet. So it is all based on intuition, and no one would agree with me on this because they are too caught up in their own physical system of reality that they refuse to believe anything unless they can actually see it, other than using their intuition as their support.

So you're 1 of only a few people on earth, out of the 6 billion plus people, who are open minded enough to know what's really going on? That basically gives the knowledge of a god. Doesn't that seem like a bit much?

How do you resolve the fact that the science of this universe does not bare out your conclusion?

Originally posted by xnibirux
I only know of a few people including myself that even know what will happen in 2012, and no one else can see that because they aren't open to believing anything unless there is proof or 'evidence'.

See.. You believe you know everything. This means you are not open to any other possibilities.

Can i ask you just one question? What if nothing happens in 2012?
What will you do then? How will you feel then? What are you going to believe then?

Can you even imagine this possibility? If nothing else, please answer this one question. It's a simple "what if" question..

Originally posted by xnibirux
I cannot prove anything that hasn't happened yet. So it is all based on intuition,

How do you tell the difference between intuition and your emotions?
Or for that matter, how do you tell the difference between intuition and your wishes?

All the "end of the world, ascension" people before you also followed what they thought was their intuition. What makes you think you will be the first one to be right?

Originally posted by xnibirux
and no one would agree with me on this because they are too caught up in their own physical system of reality that they refuse to believe anything unless they can actually see it

Did you really just say we are too caught up in reality?
Too caught up in reality, to believe someting that isn't real?

In that case, yes, you are right...


BTW: Did you even read what i wrote to you in my previous post? Or do you always just read the first few sentences and reply with something unrelated?

You know, i'm not trying to mess with you. I'm also not trying to make fun of you. When i say, i understand you, i am being completely honest.

Are you even trying to understand me?

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Well, why dont you explain in detail what is going to happen. You claim to be an expert so I want to see what backing evidence you have.

I do have to say though that many people are having visions including Nuns. Which makes me wonder more and more about 2012. But either way the only thing at this time that can be proven beyond anything else is the fact that the sun will cause changes in 2012 to start another small ice age. this has been stated by NOAA and by NASA. Many different Scientists have also proven that we will enter the Milky way at that time as well. So truthfully those 3 things put together should put enough scare into us to know something will happen. Even if it is not Nibiru it will be something.

Hilda

Originally posted by hildar
I do have to say though that many people are having visions including Nuns. Which makes me wonder more and more about 2012. But either way the only thing at this time that can be proven beyond anything else is the fact that the sun will cause changes in 2012 to start another small ice age.

Please provide scientific evidence of this.

this has been stated by NOAA and by NASA.

Please post the NASA related info for review.

Many different Scientists have also proven that we will enter the Milky way at that time as well.

The earth is now and has always been in the milky way galaxy.

So truthfully those 3 things put together should put enough scare into us to know something will happen. Even if it is not Nibiru it will be something.

Well we know for sure 1 of those three are wrong so maybe we can now concentrate on the other 2. Please post evidence supporting the other 2 remaining ideas.
Thanks.

www.spaceandscience.net...


Its maximum will be in 2011 or 2012
www.noaanews.noaa.gov...


As for your statement on the Milky way your off a bit. Figuring we have never been inside the milky way before we have always been on one of the arms we are now going to be entering the Milky way soon. 2 planets have already done this and soon it will be us that will do it. They also have had physical polar shifts when doing so. Please go back about 4 pages and you will see where I put that in here for you or someone else before the same with these links.

Hilda

Originally posted by hildar
. Many different Scientists have also proven that we will enter the Milky way at that time as well.

Hilda

I dont know what scientists you are talking about. The Earth has been in the milky way galaxy for...gee i dont know.....since it was formed. I really wish you would do more research as your lack of knowledge about astrology and our own solar system just cements that most the stuff you post is crap

Originally posted by OzWeatherman

Originally posted by hildar
. Many different Scientists have also proven that we will enter the Milky way at that time as well.

Hilda

I dont know what scientists you are talking about. The Earth has been in the milky way galaxy for...gee i dont know.....since it was formed. I really wish you would do more research as your lack of knowledge about astrology and our own solar system just cements that most the stuff you post is crap

Nope it just proves you are full of it and know nothing at all. Proof is what I work with daily because my husband is a PI so therefore I have to have proof otherwise its no good to anyone.

Hilda



[edit on 21-1-2008 by hildar]

Originally posted by hildar
Nope it just proves you are full of it and know nothing at all. Proof is what I work with daily because my husband is a PI so therefore I have to have proof otherwise its no good to anyone.

The earth is situated towards the edge of a spiral arm in the Milky Way Galaxy.

He's not "full of it" at all. Hes right.

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Nope it just proves you are full of it and know nothing at all. Proof is what I work with daily because my husband is a PI so therefore I have to have proof otherwise its no good to anyone.

Hilda
[edit on 21-1-2008 by hildar]

I am full of it? Then i suppose the earth isn't situated in the edge of the orion arm of the milky way galaxy?

Just because your husband is a PI, does not mean that you know anything about astrology, unless he locates mssing quasars and investigates infidelity between the moons of Mars. Does he plant hidden cameras in black holes by any chance?

Originally posted by hildar
www.spaceandscience.net...


Its maximum will be in 2011 or 2012
www.noaanews.noaa.gov...


As for your statement on the Milky way your off a bit. Figuring we have never been inside the milky way before we have always been on one of the arms we are now going to be entering the Milky way soon. 2 planets have already done this and soon it will be us that will do it. They also have had physical polar shifts when doing so. Please go back about 4 pages and you will see where I put that in here for you or someone else before the same with these links.

Hilda

Those arms are part of the spiral in the galaxy. If we're in an arm, we're in the galaxy. This is not an opinion but fact. Ask ANY real astronomer and they'll tell you the same thing.

Originally posted by hildar
www.spaceandscience.net...


Its maximum will be in 2011 or 2012
www.noaanews.noaa.gov...


As for your statement on the Milky way your off a bit. Figuring we have never been inside the milky way before we have always been on one of the arms we are now going to be entering the Milky way soon. 2 planets have already done this and soon it will be us that will do it. They also have had physical polar shifts when doing so. Please go back about 4 pages and you will see where I put that in here for you or someone else before the same with these links.

Hilda

Your 2 links mention solar cycles only. Solar cycles have always been part of our suns life. No big deal.

Maybe this map will help

Originally posted by OzWeatherman
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Well, why dont you explain in detail what is going to happen. You claim to be an expert so I want to see what backing evidence you have.

Basically the magnetic radiation emitted from all electronics are causing the depletion of our ozone layer(also cancer in people)The sun's radiation will be so intense by 2012 that global blackouts will occur. The electrical power grids worldwide will shutdown and we will have no more batter power or electricity, so we better get used to farming and living with nature now, that way we can be accustomed to that style of living and the shutdown won't be as hard on us. That is what will happen in 2012. So we better start preparing now.

Originally posted by xnibirux

Originally posted by OzWeatherman
reply to post by xnibirux

 

Well, why dont you explain in detail what is going to happen. You claim to be an expert so I want to see what backing evidence you have.

Basically the magnetic radiation emitted from all electronics are causing the depletion of our ozone layer(also cancer in people)The sun's radiation will be so intense by 2012 that global blackouts will occur. The electrical power grids worldwide will shutdown and we will have no more batter power or electricity, so we better get used to farming and living with nature now, that way we can be accustomed to that style of living and the shutdown won't be as hard on us. That is what will happen in 2012. So we better start preparing now.

what you are explaining is measurable. Please provide scientific evidence of this. Thanks.

Originally posted by jfj123

what you are explaining is measurable. Please provide scientific evidence of this. Thanks.

I promise you NASA has stated this, but now I can't seem to find that evidence on the internet. I have the statement printed out, but now the information seems to have 'vanished'.