Nibiru's 'First Phase' Due Fall 2009!

Originally posted by SaviorComplex
reply to post by CanadianVandal

 

What does ZetaTalk have to say about being so incredibly wrong about Nibiru returning in 2003?

If these aliens are so smart, how come they got it so wrong the first time?

Zeta Talk - White Lie
As can be seen from the actions of the US and Indonesian governments scant days ahead of and continuing after our announced date of May 15, 2003, they fully intend to harm hundred of millions of their citizens through martial law, declared such in Indonesia and called terrorism level Red by Homeland Security. What is martial law, if not ordering citizens to remain in their homes? What effect does this have on citizens about within cities where buildings will tumble and crush them, or along coast or in lowlands sure to be inundated by tidal waves? Death, injury with no rescue, and massive dieoff. Is this the intent of those in command in those governments, sworn to protect their citizens and collecting taxes to this end? There can be no doubt, and one has only to read the actions of these governments to ascertain this.

Why did we allow Nancy, who has labored though the mine field and put herself at risk with ZetaTalk, to be so humiliated as to announce to a broad audience live radio show very specific dates, which were promptly missed? At a time when Planet X is so close as to be competing with the Sun at noon, visible by the unaided eye, and well tracked to this point by many sunrise and sunset sightings and photos, in the manner and in the time frame we predicted, and at a time when earthquakes have increased to the point, as we predicted, to being noticeable, affecting population centers so they cannot be denied by underreporting in the quake databases, the bad dates stand as an exception. And what is the effect of this gambit, an acknowledged white lie on our part, on those in the US and Indonesian governments who would murder their citizens by the hundreds of millions?

* They cannot closely coordinate blocking a city for a specific date and time, thus having to either order a perpetual state of readiness or be prepared to muster a quick blockade, neither workable.
* They must either share the true agenda with numerous local agencies, in order to have cooperation for a quick muster, or anticipate failure when calling a sudden and unplanned blockage.
* Local agencies would be sympathetic to the local populace and rebellion would likely ensue.
* A perpetual state of readiness requires agencies to be focused only on exercises, and not distracted from their regular work, and any natural disaster ensuing would shatter this state.
* Natural disasters such as imploding buildings in the stretch zone, or strong quakes or volcanoes in compression zones, would divert resources from the ready status waiting to blockade cities.
* The governments increasingly have to explain the perpetual state of readiness, constant exercises, in the face of a lack of actual terrorism, thus losing credibility among those required to carry out a blockade.
* Incidences of natural disasters, and increasing visibility of Planet X, change the focus from tearooms to natural disaster and thus an order to remain in their homes would seem inappropriate to citizens, who would rebel.

And what is the effect on the common man, being denied even at this late date any honest information on what is about to devastate their lives?

* For those waiting for an undeniable sight that the earth changes we have predicted, rotation stoppage followed by red dusting will be that undeniable sign, and any announced date ignored until such signs are evident.
* For those wanting to leave for a safe location ahead of rotation stoppage, but having ties to their ordinary life and obligations, rapid earth changes such as earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, as well as a perceptible slowing of rotation, will be their clue, regardless of published dates which are not palpable.
* For those who have made very early changes in their lives, moving to safe locations and settling in there, an exact date is not crucial.
* For the vast majority of mankind who has not even heard of a possible pole shift, announcing dates is irrelevant.
* For the large portion of humanity who cannot move to safe locations or make changes in their lives, as their lives are a struggle for subsistence on a daily basis, announced dates are irrelevant.
* For those who are traveling, for work or pleasure, they have chosen to be out and about at this time, or to place themselves in such a position by their employment choice, and thus are not taking the message seriously, nor would they despite any announced dates.

Thus, an announced date, where it would be convenient, does not change the outcome of preparation for the common man, where it would greatly be used by those who would murder their citizens, or take advantage of others, and thus we decline to give any dates. Watching the earth changes, and the behavior of those in the corridors of power, will be the best clues.

2003 - White Lie

As has been explained previously, all ZetaTalk information keyed to the May 15 date was part of the White Lie. This included the 7.3 weeks of naked eye visibility leading up to that date, so that when naked eye viewing of a red light fading in and out at our coordinates became visible in very late March, this brought weight to the May 15 date. All was designed to fool the establishment. We avoided, scrupulously, any efforts during the Spring of 2003 to pin us down to distance, allowing humans to speculate on the distance from Earth instead. We also refused to address the exact speed of Planet X, preferring to talk in general terms, stating it was a rapid approach to the outer edges of the solar system, and much slower when approaching the Sun due to the Repulsion Force effect. Nancy has pointed out several clues that May 15 was not and could not have been the date, in that we have stated in ZetaTalk that Planet X would dive 32° below the Ecliptic prior to passage and at May 15, 2003 our coordinates had only dropped to 7° below the Ecliptic. We also stated firmly in Nov, 2001, that no date would be given as it would allow the establishment to mistreat the populace.
ZetaTalk: Why May 15?

Since the inception of ZetaTalk, the passage with rotation stoppage and pole shift has been described as occurring "shortly after May 15, 2003". The Zetas declined to be more specific, citing in Nov, 2001 that the elite and those in power would use such knowledge to their advantage, and to the disadvantage of the common man. They also cited a preference for a later, rather than earlier, date, as waiting in a safe location for the date to arrive is preferable to finding time too short to make the move.

We have withheld the exact hour of passage from our ZetaTalk for several reasons:

1.

The establishment and those groups who would take advantage of good hearted folk would use this knowledge to better entrap and enslave and ensure their own survival at the expense of the good hearted.

2.

The timing of this can change slightly due to matters in the solar system, such that a mis-calculation could see us, in horror, watching good hearted folks trying to save those dependent upon them too late, by days or hours, a matter we would prefer to avoid for a later announcement, more precise.

3.

Earth changes, and the exact position of the Earth in relationship to the passing planet, will change slightly as the time approaches, so warnings for this or that part of the world may change at the last minute, or last week in any case. Best to leave this for then, so no misunderstandings can occur.

ZetaTalk: Hour of the Shift

Shortly before May 15, 2003:

* Operation TOPOFF was initiated to involve Seattle, Chicago, and Washington DC and over 100 agencies, including Canadian participation.
* Other terroism exercises followed, including Winter Sun in NYC and environs.
* Operation Planet X was run on May 15 in Iraq.

On the Lou Gentile live radio show May 16, 2003, the Zetas gave a specific date of May 27, 2003, and reasons for being specific at this time. Details such as the day a late sunset could be expected, rotation stoppage expected, and the exact number of days, in decimals, until the hour of the shift:

As explained on Gentile last evening, but repeated here as many will not be able to hear this streaming audio, we have given the dates out because the US and Indonesian governments can no longer succeed with their plans. We had held the date close, to put these governments in the same position the common man they planned to murder are in, so that rotation stoppage would happen suddenly and prevent a smooth blockading of the city dwellers. As Nancy has been able to be interviewed in the US, the message of these plans replayed around the world, cooperation by the military or locale police in such blockades are unlikely to happen. Given such orders, they would object, refuse, allow escape, as they know the true agenda. Thus, the number of people injured by withholding the date outnumbered the number that would be murdered, the balance scale tipped.
ZetaTalk: Dates, Why Now?
Note: relayed during the May 16 Lou Genitle show, and addressed during the May 17 IRC as well.

The week following May 16, 2003:

* Indonesia declared Martial Law
* Terrorism exercises were scheduled for the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco.
* Homeland Security went to level Orange, with no other excuse than recent attacks in other countries, though these attacks were not unusual. Level Red, wherein citizens can be ordered to remain in their homes, was the next step.
* Global quakes (shuttering where the whole globe participates) were occurring almost daily, per the live seismograph sites, an extreme increase from when they had first been noted in March, 2003.

Did the actions of the US Government indicate that US citizens were not going to be blocks from leaving coastal cities, so as to reduce the numbers of citizens demanding food and shelter from the White House, an act of murder by the US Government against their citizens? No! The opposite occurred, and the Zetas explain why the White Lie, and why specific dates should not be anticipated.

Following these two examples of dates given (May 15 and May 20), and the establishment taking steps in each instance contrary to the welfare of the common man, likewise continuing to disinform and uninform the public, the Zetas are advising that Earth changes be used as a guide for when to take steps, and explain why the date, and the date alone, was a deliberately confused issue.

Going into the predicted 2003 date, there were many opportunists attempting to get on the band wagon.

A review of 2003 shows that whereas the Passage did not happen in 2003, Planet X certainly arrived in 2003!

reply to post by CanadianVandal


HUH????

Exactly what are you talking about?
It kinda sounds like you're saying that good ole nancy scammed the world for it's own good and that explains why she posted the wrong date????

reply to post by jfj123


The Zetas are constantly at work to prevent Bush from declaring martial law before the shift and slaughtering millions. Obviously he made his move for the oil fields to early and everything is falling apart for him. They had the wrong date. The Zeta's plan certainly worked


EDIT:
"Operation Planet X was run on May 15 in Iraq"
Bush was certainly duped

[edit on 4-1-2008 by CanadianVandal]

Originally posted by CanadianVandal
reply to post by jfj123

 

The Zetas are constantly at work to prevent Bush from declaring martial law before the shift and slaughtering millions. Obviously he made his move for the oil fields to early and everything is falling apart for him. They had the wrong date. The Zeta's plan certainly worked

EDIT:
"Operation Planet X was run on May 15 in Iraq"
Bush was certainly duped

[edit on 4-1-2008 by CanadianVandal]

So you're saying that the only person that has been able to figure out the real date for the pass by of planet x is nancy from zeta talk?

and every world government has been looking to her for the correct date as they or any other private cosmological association, doesn't have the resources to figure this out, but she does?

Does this sound reasonable?

The Zetas have been deliberately lying, yes. And one of their lies is about the existence of Planet X!!!!

I was talking to one of the fluffy pink bunnies who run the fast food outlets at the alien cheese mine colonies on the Moon and he told me the whole thing was a great big wind up to see just how gullible humans were ....... we fell for it and as a result will not be invited to the Solar Games being held on Ceres in 2009. And that's the truth!

"....The Zetas have been deliberately lying, yes. And one of their lies is about the existence of Planet X!!!!

I was talking to one of the fluffy pink bunnies who run the fast food outlets at the alien cheese mine colonies on the Moon and he told me the whole thing was a great big wind up to see just how gullible humans were ....... we fell for it and as a result will not be invited to the Solar Games being held on Ceres in 2009. And that's the truth!....."

Oh c'mon...be serious here. You know darn well the bunnies would lie if the truth sounded better. Its not the Solar Games, its the X Games on Planet Mars. As usual, humans got the syntax screwed up when the Ascended put out the word through the earthly avatars. Consequently, sheep that we are, its beginning to panic the most gullible of our race.

Raf

Originally posted by Essan
The Zetas have been deliberately lying, yes. And one of their lies is about the existence of Planet X!!!!

I was talking to one of the fluffy pink bunnies who run the fast food outlets at the alien cheese mine colonies on the Moon and he told me the whole thing was a great big wind up to see just how gullible humans were ....... we fell for it and as a result will not be invited to the Solar Games being held on Ceres in 2009. And that's the truth!

You cannot just 'claim' that someone is lying and be 'right'! THINK!
'EVERYTHING' is opinionated(everyone is or has been raised by television). Planet X is a 'belief' that I 'believe'. All I would like to here you say if you do not agree is: "Well you may believe it, but I do not."
That is all, and those are the only words worth spilling in this thread if you aren't for it. Make sense?

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reply to post by jfj123


No.
Zetas not Nancy, she didn't even know
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Last week on the newsletter we discussed Planet X being captured on one of the LASCO C2 satellite images, on the right hand side of the Sun and with its tail wafting to the left. If the tail were wafting left, this would place it in front of the LASCO cameras. And this is exactly what emerged on New Year's Day! On that day, someone noticed a large orb in the lower left quadrant of a satellite camera that floats 21º ahead of the Earth in her orbit - called the Stereo Ahead satellite. Mercury was crossing the line of view of this satellite, crossing behind the Sun and moving right to left in the view. The position of the large blob was the correct position for Mercury as seen from this satellite camera.

But unlike the normal appearance of a passing planet, that appearance being a bright spot on the film, Mercury changed in appearance, became dull rather than bright, increased in size, and appeared to be rotating in a dust cloud wrapped around it. This generated a great deal of discussion on the GodlikeProduction message board. The object indeed had tracked across and just below the Sun as Mercury was expected to do from view from the Stereo Ahead satellite. But the change in appearance left many unconvinced that it was indeed Mercury. The discussion ranged from ascribing the dull, large object to be asteroid 1685Torror (which was not yet in front of the cameras), or Jupiter (which had passed from view days earlier, moved off to the right hand, and should also be bright in any case), some sort of new planet ejected from the Sun, or a large mothership. Someone claiming to have had a discussion with JPL even claimed this huge blob to be a star, though stars are bright pin-points on the LASCO images. But in that this object had tracked as expected for Mercury, appearing on the right hand side on December 22 and leaving on the left hand side on December 31, Mercury seemed to be the logical candidate. But why so dark and diffuse? And why the increase in size?

The orb presumed to be Mercury does not have the traditional aspect of passing planets. It appears too large and loses its light halfway through the transit. What kind of dust cloud could be obscuring the view of Mercury and diffusing the light so it looks too large? What kind of dust is swirling in front of the light from Mercury that it appears to be rotating in place? The asteroid 1685Torro was thrown out as the explanation but likewise is not in the field of view per official orbit diagrams. Nor did the attempt from a NASA stooge to claim it as a star gain any advocates. What was discovered were many moon-like objects, reflecting light from the right hand side of the Sun. What is that light source? Clearly it is the object that was reflected on a December 23 LASCO image, an object with a tail drifting to the left, showing that the tail debris would logically be drifting left to be in front of the SOHO cameras. Their presence, so very much in the direction of Earth, presages another phenomena that will soon be evident to all on Earth. About this we will say little, in keeping with our desire to have the establishment discombobulated so the cover-up splits wide open like a rotten melon, spewing the truth about so broadly that it cannot be quickly dismissed.

What was discovered were many moon-like objects, reflecting light from the right hand side of the Sun. What is that light source? Clearly it is the object that was reflected on a December 23 LASCO image, an object with a tail drifting to the left, showing that the tail debris would logically be drifting left to be in front of the SOHO cameras. Their presence, so very much in the direction of Earth, presages another phenomena that will soon be evident to all on Earth. About this we will say little, in keeping with our desire to have the establishment discombobulated so the cover-up splits wide open like a rotten melon, spewing the truth about so broadly that it cannot be quickly dismissed.

Where is this leading? We have hinted that the drama is not yet over. We have hinted that earthquakes will be involved, and things seen in the skies. We are not allowed by the rules to be precise in our predictions, so cannot warn mankind of coming dangers. Regarding anything that would tend to prove the existence of Planet X and cause the cover-up to split open, we likewise do not want to clue the establishment into what that might be, as we want them to stumble. We want the participants in the cover-up to be frightened and blurt out the truth or fail to maintain the cover-up so that holes in the story line are obvious. Beyond this, it is leading to more severe Earth changes, which we have been predicting since the start of ZetaTalk. Diasasters will become so common they will no longer hit the news, and may not even be locally reported. Emergency management teams will be exhausted, and may not even notice a change in leadership in the White House during this time - Pelosi or Gore in the Oval Office at long last. These disasters, increasing at what seems an exponential rate, will morph into the last weeks we have so carefully detailed. And then the pole shift!
During the discussion on Mercury's odd appearance in the Stereo Ahead images, many small moon-like objects were discovered. These had a different appearance from the stars which sometimes appear in these images. These moons were large and illuminated on one side only. If Planet X is to the right of the Sun, then one would assume that the moons of Planet X being captured in these images would be illuminated on the right hand side, with light from a source to the right hand side and closer to the Earth than to the Sun. And this proved to be the case. These moons showed up in more than one Stereo Ahead image type, in more than one light wave length. The moons in the tail of Planet X are not next to the Sun, but are between the Stereo Ahead camera and the Sun.


ZetaTalk: Mercury's Shroud

This may very well be the event of something that happened on December 23rd 2007!

Look at December 23rd, 2007!

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[edit on 6-1-2008 by xnibirux]

Originally posted by xnibirux
Originally posted by Essan

You cannot just 'claim' that someone is lying and be 'right'! THINK!
'EVERYTHING' is opinionated(everyone is or has been raised by television). Planet X is a 'belief' that I 'believe'. All I would like to here you say if you do not agree is: "Well you may believe it, but I do not."
That is all, and those are the only words worth spilling in this thread if you aren't for it. Make sense?

Either the planet exists or it does not.
Opinion does not come in to play at all.
Your belief in it is completely irrelevant.

As of right now, nobody has presented any evidence that it exists. The only evidence that has been presented, supports the fact that it doesn't exist.

[edit on 6-1-2008 by jfj123]

Originally posted by xnibirux
Planet X is a 'belief' that I 'believe'. All I would like to here you say if you do not agree is: "Well you may believe it, but I do not."
That is all, and those are the only words worth spilling in this thread if you aren't for it. Make sense?

In that case, you (and other believers) should also only be saying "We believe in Planet X." instead of "Planet X is a prooven fact."

You have made it very clear so far, that you only want to hear supporting "arguements".

But again... There are people, who come here, fearing being killed by your belief and for them it is very important, to hear the other side of the argument. Especially if they don't subscribe to the mystic vibration crystall DNA ascension, but just the dying part instead.

I do not think, jfj123 is trying to convert you into a non-believer. He is just presenting the logical side of this arguement, for people who want the facts and not just beliefs.

Originally posted by deezee

Originally posted by xnibirux
Planet X is a 'belief' that I 'believe'. All I would like to here you say if you do not agree is: "Well you may believe it, but I do not."
That is all, and those are the only words worth spilling in this thread if you aren't for it. Make sense?

In that case, you (and other believers) should also only be saying "We believe in Planet X." instead of "Planet X is a prooven fact."

You have made it very clear so far, that you only want to hear supporting "arguements".

But again... There are people, who come here, fearing being killed by your belief and for them it is very important, to hear the other side of the argument. Especially if they don't subscribe to the mystic vibration crystall DNA ascension, but just the dying part instead.

I do not think, jfj123 is trying to convert you into a non-believer. He is just presenting the logical side of this arguement, for people who want the facts and not just beliefs.

Also to jfj123:

This thread is not for arguments, which is exactly why I stated that those against the belief say so otherwise, but say nothing else. This is NOT why I created this thread, and once again I did NOT create this thread to drive fear into people, only simply to inform them of what may exist. "What cannot be proven does not exist", THIS statement is absolutely false.

[edit on 6-1-2008 by xnibirux]

reply to post by xnibirux

This thread is not for arguments, which is exactly why I stated that those against the belief say so otherwise, but say nothing else.

I'm sorry you are finding my posts argumentative. They are only meant to encourage the search for truth whatever it may be.

This is NOT why I created this thread, and once again I did NOT create this thread to drive fear into people, only simply to inform them of what may exist. "What cannot be proven does not exist", THIS statement is absolutely false.

Or what may not exist. There have been quite a few posts on your thread that were blatantly false. Do you want false information on your thread ?

Also, keep in mind that sometimes threads evolve a bit so all who read it can get the whole picture. Sorry you feel like your thread has been hijacked. Just so you know, my only agenda is to the truth.

So...you created this thread so you could.."toot your own horn" then? Not taking into consideration that many would not agree with your conclusions. And if they did disagree, you say they hijack your thread?

The minute you post something into ATS, it goes up for discussion. In directions you may or may not like. Your personal belief system has no bearing on what may actually be the truth. If you can prove your belief, then by all means, show us. That we can look at your evidence, and possibly, come to the same conclusions....or not.

The problem with most proofs in forums like these is that they are more references or links to other websites spouting the same and not providing any more actual proof than yet more hyperlinks to questionable websites.

On the other hand...can you direct us to qunatifiable studies by known astrophysicists, astronomers or other scientists?

Raf

reply to post by CanadianVandal


Who are the Zeta's? How does nancy know him/her/them???

reply to post by jfj123


I believe she has a similar relationship to them as I do to the fluffy pink bunnies fomr the Moon.

Except, of course, the fluffy pink bunnies are real - and no-one can prove everwise!

A reply to jfj123:

When someone claims something to be false, it is nothing more than 'opinionated'. If you disagree that if something cannot be proved then it does not exist, then Planet X would be considered nor true or false. That I believe. IT IS A BELIEF. THEREFORE PROOF IS IRRELEVANT! You believe it, or you don't. Making statements claiming that someone is 'wrong' or promoting 'false' information because that information (in this case 'belief') lacks 'PROOF' is 'targeting' the belief and simply working against it. What? IT DOESN'T MATTER IF BELIEF LACKS PROOF! My point is that 'Planet X' is nothing more than a belief.

and a reply to Raf_50:

I do not care if no one has a strong belief in this or not. If you read my reply to jfj123 then you'll understand completely.

[edit on 6-1-2008 by xnibirux]

reply to post by xnibirux


But do you understand that your belief in planet x's existence doesn't make it exist?

All beliefs are based on something. Just so we can understand, and not ask you the wrong questions or make the wrong comments, what are you beliefs based on?

Also, I don't think until this point anyone has said, "I have no evidence that planet x exists and is only my opinion". Most people seem to expressing the existence of planet x as a fact and that is just wrong.

Originally posted by jfj123
reply to post by xnibirux

 

But do you understand that your belief in planet x's existence doesn't make it exist?

All beliefs are based on something. Just so we can understand, and not ask you the wrong questions or make the wrong comments, what are you beliefs based on?

Also, I don't think until this point anyone has said, "I have no evidence that planet x exists and is only my opinion". Most people seem to expressing the existence of planet x as a fact and that is just wrong.

jfj123 I know my belief does not 'make it exist', that's preposterous. The reason I believe in Planet X (and the only explanation why) is because I've read a magnificent book 'The Return of Planet X' containing many prophecies and ancient civilizations that foretold this. I do agree that people have no evidence, but it is my belief, not my opinion.

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