**Complete 1 Hr Video Of Nov 12 NPC UFO Conference**

Originally posted by SonicInfinity
A very interesting press conference, but it begs the question: Has it done any good? Can anybody present an update as to what this conference has accomplished in the long-term?

A good question and one that is not easily answered since its difficult to actually pinpoint its influences on recent world events.

However, what can be said is that in this year alone:-

December 23, 2007 - Interview of Dr Michael Salla and Angelika Whitecliff on UFO Global Focus on Exopolitics, Galactic Diplomacy and Earth Transformation

October 5, 2007 - First International Conference on Extraterrestrial Civilizations held in Japan

(Japan has recently made a number of press statements that bring out the issues of ET's/UFO's etc to the public attention.

Source: BBC News
This was soon followed by Japan's Defense Minister Shigeru Ishiba stating he was considering Japan's Options in UFO Attack Japan's Options in UFO Attack

May 15, 2007 -Press Release: Hawaii Conference Approves Earth Transformation Declaration.

March 2007 France becomes the first country to open all of its UFO files to the public.




These are just a few examples of noteworthy moves towards bringing this issue into the open. There are several organizations that are currently trying to bring the issues of ET's/UFO's into the public domain.

The Disclosure Project held a Press Conference May 9th 2001 at the National Press Club Conference, which was suppose to mark the start of bringing pressure to bear on the US government. But four months later it is forced on the back-burner as the events of 9/11 became the center of worlds attention.

The Exopolitics Institute Exopolitics Institue

Exopolitics is the study of the key individuals, political institutions and processes associated with extraterrestrial life.

While they too attempt to put pressure on the US and other countries to lift the 'embargo of truth' they need organizations like The Disclosure Project to bring about the official existence of alien civilisations into the open. Only once this has been achieved can they can then go about looking into the ramifications this will have on world issues and how best to deal with it.

As a rough guide to gauging the users interest in certain areas/topics, Google Labs has a feature called Google Trends that can be used to see what populour search strings have been typed into their search index. Its possible to see the highs & lows of past events.

Example 1: 9/11

Example 2: roswell ufo

Its interesting to note that the USA is only the 5th most popular country to use the roswell ufo search string..

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Nice attempt to paint me as simply a "yes-man" for Greer and Stone

You have painted that picture yourself.

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
There's plenty of corroborating testimony from many different Contactees to support Stone's concept of dozens of different species of bipedal humanoids who visit us. And Stone has also demonstrated credibility with his collection of FOIA documents.

Which "contactees"? and how do they support Stones claims of the specific number of 57 different species? If there are atleast 57 species visiting us, then how do they differ in apperance, etc? Seems like a fair question to me. Even if that somehow corroborates with his story - you've never stopped to think that maybe, just maybe he bases his "knowledge" of what just those "contactees" has said beforehand, already? Also, has any documents, pictures or witnesses been presented to back any of Stones or Greers alleged personal interaction with UFOs and ETs?

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr

There's also plenty of supporting evidence for many of the things Greer says. (Granted, not the levitating cars, guitar-playing bandits etc etc.) Of course, Greer will have to succeed with AERO/P.E.P. and get some new energy technologies properly disclosed before all us "Greerians" and "Greerites" get to have our big "I-told-you-so!".

I own 'Hidden Truth - Forbidden Knowledge' and I don't remember any of the countless personal "far-out" claims by Greer in that book could be supported with the idea of Zero-Energy, Anti-Gravity or whathaveyou. Please explain how any new technologies that already sounds plausible, would somehow legitimize all of those claims - when the 2 has nothing to do with eachoter. Not to mention those theories or ideas isn't his to begin with.

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Why thank you, Greer is an excellent public speaker!

You take pride in repeating another mans words because he is a good public speaker? You and Goebbels both I guess.

To be clear: I'm not saying that I know both of em are lieng.. But I certainly think they mix truths with half truths and lies.

Originally posted by LogicalThinker

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Nice attempt to paint me as simply a "yes-man" for Greer and Stone

You have painted that picture yourself.

Not at all. I am openly supportive of lots of people - Greer, Stone, Gilliland, Salter, Rosin, Webre, Salla, Bassett, Symington etc.

That's not the same thing as being a "yes-man" of Greer's or the Disclosure Project - which I am definitely not. I've never even met the man!

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
There's plenty of corroborating testimony from many different Contactees to support Stone's concept of dozens of different species of bipedal humanoids who visit us. And Stone has also demonstrated credibility with his collection of FOIA documents.

Which "contactees"? and how do they support Stones claims of the specific number of 57 different species? If there are atleast 57 species visiting us, then how do they differ in apperance, etc? Seems like a fair question to me.

Michael Salla has a good summation of Contactee testimony and the various ET races at www.exopolitics.org.

Even if that somehow corroborates with his story - you've never stopped to think that maybe, just maybe he bases his "knowledge" of what just those "contactees" has said beforehand, already?

I've stopped to think about lots of things, Thinker.

Also, has any documents, pictures or witnesses been presented to back any of Stones or Greers alleged personal interaction with UFOs and ETs?

I don't know. Springer and Crakeur could possibly answer about documents pertaining to Stone.

Greer and CSETI are notoriously secretive about what goes on with CSETI. I believe they are very purposely keeping a low profile with that. I think the various extraterrestrial visitors and ambassadors have a preference for discrete Contact at this time - as opposed to say touching down in the middle of the Superbowl for the whole world to see.

James Gilliland of ECETI has posted a lot more evidence than Greer in that area, check it out if you're interested in that.

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr

There's also plenty of supporting evidence for many of the things Greer says. (Granted, not the levitating cars, guitar-playing bandits etc etc.) Of course, Greer will have to succeed with AERO/P.E.P. and get some new energy technologies properly disclosed before all us "Greerians" and "Greerites" get to have our big "I-told-you-so!".

I own 'Hidden Truth - Forbidden Knowledge' and I don't remember any of the countless personal "far-out" claims by Greer in that book could be supported with the idea of Zero-Energy, Anti-Gravity or whathaveyou. Please explain how any new technologies that already sounds plausible, would somehow legitimize all of those claims - when the 2 has nothing to do with eachoter. Not to mention those theories or ideas isn't his to begin with.

I'm not sure I understand what you're asking here. You are right that ZPE isn't Greer's idea; it's been around in various forms for at least 100 years.

All I was trying to say was that if/when AERO succeeds and gets some new energy technologies out, it will lend great credibility to Greer.

I don't really expect people to believe that Greer can levitate and all that, nor is that relevant or important for Disclosure.

Eventually though, people will have to come to terms with the "One-ness" of all things and all the ramifications of that - people remote-viewing and astral-projecting and levitating things and reading each others' minds and healing each other, etc etc. (Jesus and many, many other Prophets allegedly could do all these things? Hmmmm........)

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Why thank you, Greer is an excellent public speaker!

You take pride in repeating another mans words because he is a good public speaker? You and Goebbels both I guess.

No, I wasn't repeating another mans words, those were my own words! You said I sounded like Greer, and I'm saying "Why, thank you! What a nice compliment!".

To be clear: I'm not saying that I know both of em are lieng.. But I certainly think they mix truths with half truths and lies.

Sure, think whatever you like.

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Not at all. I am openly supportive of lots of people - Greer, Stone, Gilliland, Salter, Rosin, Webre, Salla, Bassett, Symington etc.

That's not the same thing as being a "yes-man" of Greer's or the Disclosure Project - which I am definitely not. I've never even met the man!

I still think you are a "yes-man" because you seem to lack any sense of critical thinking. IE, you feel the need to defend someone because he tells you what you'd like to hear. I read his book and its a pretty picture with tales of oneness, astral projection, OBEs and UFOs.. No new ideas, he just mixes belief systems and spirituality, throws in a few documented UFO events, and the only thing holding these things together is.. TADA: himself.. He never mentions where the idea of oneness comes from for example; making people who doesn't know better think its Greers great revelation.. Makes me want to puke.

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
Michael Salla has a good summation of Contactee testimony and the various ET races at www.exopolitics.org.

I couldn't find any summary, but I don't really have any time to look for it atm. Since you know where to find it, maybe you could link it for me?

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
I've stopped to think about lots of things, Thinker.

Try to be critical at times; best way to follow the motto of this site, imo.

Originally posted by MrdDstrbrGreer and CSETI are notoriously secretive about what goes on with CSETI. I believe they are very purposely keeping a low profile with that. I think the various extraterrestrial visitors and ambassadors have a preference for discrete Contact at this time - as opposed to say touching down in the middle of the Superbowl for the whole world to see.

What were the reasons for the Disclosure Project then?

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
James Gilliland of ECETI has posted a lot more evidence than Greer in that area, check it out if you're interested in that.

Saw a video of him before.. Seemed like another charismatic guy with a lot of talk and little substance. Gonna check him out more thoroughly when i get a chance too though.

Originally posted by MrdDstrbrAll I was trying to say was that if/when AERO succeeds and gets some new energy technologies out, it will lend great credibility to Greer.

AERO.. What happend to SEAS? Another project in collecting money? Give me a machine that works, or a blueprint of one that will and I'll happily kiss Greers feet and give any spare money I can find.

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
I don't really expect people to believe that Greer can levitate and all that, nor is that relevant or important for Disclosure.

No, and why should we? If he could: there wouldn't be a need for any of the projects he has started.. simple as that.

Originally posted by MrdDstrbrEventually though, people will have to come to terms with the "One-ness" of all things and all the ramifications of that - people remote-viewing and astral-projecting and levitating things and reading each others' minds and healing each other, etc etc. (Jesus and many, many other Prophets allegedly could do all these things? Hmmmm........)

Jesus, Buddha, Mohamed, Greer (Wait! Wasnt that guy just a simple country doctor from Virginia?)

[edit on 30-12-2007 by LogicalThinker]

Originally posted by LogicalThinker
I still think you are a "yes-man" because you seem to lack any sense of critical thinking.

We're starting to get way off topic here.

What difference does it make what *I* think, Thinker? A person of no special consequence or significance?

You are drawing a false dichotomy here, where people either believe in these advanced spiritual concepts or they are "critical-thinkers", but no one with "critical thinking" skills is allowed to Believe.

People have been reporting these sort of mystical/spiritual/psychic experiences since the dawn of time, Thinker. There is abundant anecdotal evidence for these things - and now with some of the new quantum physics research, we are finally starting to establish a scientific basis and paradigm for them as well.

Just because they don't talk about these things in school, and the "Reality Box", the TV doesn't tell you about them either, does not mean these phenomena don't exist!

IE, you feel the need to defend someone because he tells you what you'd like to hear. I read his book and its a pretty picture with tales of oneness, astral projection, OBEs and UFOs.. No new ideas,

No, you are right, no new ideas - because these ideas, these phenomena, have been around for THOUSANDS OF YEARS!

Various mystical circles have been practising these abilities almost since the dawn of time, Thinker.

It's just that most people don't know about them, because they've been distracted away from them by Britney Spears, "Pimp My Ride" etc....

He never mentions where the idea of oneness comes from for example; making people who doesn't know better think its Greers great revelation.. Makes me want to puke.

No, not "Greers great revelation". The concept has been around in things like Zen and Buddhism and Taoism and all different mystical/spiritual circles for millenia.

Greer and CSETI are notoriously secretive about what goes on with CSETI. I believe they are very purposely keeping a low profile with that. I think the various extraterrestrial visitors and ambassadors have a preference for discrete Contact at this time - as opposed to say touching down in the middle of the Superbowl for the whole world to see.

What were the reasons for the Disclosure Project then?

The Disclosure Project is more political and oriented around the witnesses and whistleblowers. The idea is not just to disclose the fact that UFOs and ETs are real and we are not alone, but also to expose the government cover-up or "truth embargo", the black covert projects which are hoarding exotic classified technologies, the various hidden agendas of the PTB such as the staged "War On Terror" and the possibility of a staged "War On Aliens", etc etc.

The testimony of the witnesses and whistleblowers is in many ways MORE important than the idea of making contact with and interacting with ETs - which has actually been happening for thousands and thousands of years anyway and is nothing new at all. The ETs didn't just find us in the 1940s - they have known about our world all along, and have been visiting and interacting with us all along!

All I was trying to say was that if/when AERO succeeds and gets some new energy technologies out, it will lend great credibility to Greer.

AERO.. What happend to SEAS?

I'm honestly not sure. My guess is that they needed to change SEAS into an LLC, hence the birth of "AERO".

Eventually though, people will have to come to terms with the "One-ness" of all things and all the ramifications of that - people remote-viewing and astral-projecting and levitating things and reading each others' minds and healing each other, etc etc. (Jesus and many, many other Prophets allegedly could do all these things? Hmmmm........)

Jesus, Buddha, Mohamed, Greer (Wait! Wasnt that guy just a simple country doctor from Virginia?)

LOL!!!!!

For the record, I don't actually believe in Jesus.

Or rather, I don't believe in Jesus as the "Son Of God who IS GOD" concept. There may have been a Prophet that did exist at that time, but the Truth of who and what he was got twisted around by the Roman Catholic Church for their own ends.

For the record, ALL of us have the potential to develop these "psychic" abilities through study and practice. Which is precisely what Greer claims to have done.

What also happens is that every once in awhile a "Prophet" or "Avatar" or "Star Child" comes along who seems to be BORN with these abilities. Who can levitate things, or heal people, or read minds, almost effortlessly. (The Force is strong in his family!!)

What causes that? Not being the "Son Of God", that's for sure! More likely, an abnormality or enhancement in their DNA.....

when i found out that James Fox, the producer of the movie "out of the blue" was running the show it lost all credibility for me.

this is just a way for him to make money....he is gonna use this conference in his next movie !!!!!!!.....its all about making a movie and making money.......thats why it wasnt put out to the public while it was hott. he doesnt care about disclosure.........its the money

i got the same feeling from the disclosure project also...it was all about making money. yes it may have helped the cause of disclosure but that wasnt the objective if you ask me.

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Textbook tactic when trying to discredit someone - accuse them of being disingenuous and trying to milk people out of their money.

Ufology is hardly a cash cow by any stretch of the imagination, and there are far, far more efficient ways of making money than selling Ufology books and DVDs....

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you just said it......"far better ways to make money then by selling books and dvds"

when he makes this movie....he is gonna be selling dvds....its a huge business

i believe he seen the the success the discloser project had and is trying to do the same thing. its really a great way to make alot of money.












[edit on 31-12-2007 by easynow]

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There are also a LOT of expenses involved in gathering all these witnesses together, holding a major press conference at the NPC, and in producing a film!

I highly doubt this will be a major cash cow for any of the people involved....

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www.outofthebluethemovie.com...
Out of the Blue | News



have you seen this site called out of the blue news ?.........it even says they just signed a huge distribution deal.... and i really like the BUY NOW buttons on the page....lmao

this is so obvious that there after the money it isnt even funny anymore.

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So what?

These press conferences aren't shown in their entirety on TV - this one wasn't, and May 2001 wasn't either.

Distributing it by DVD is the logical way to get the message out and also make some $$$ so as to compensate for costs and expenses.

Just because someone sells books or DVDs does not automatically make them a scammer. And I wish people would stop trying to generate all this needless paranoia just because people sell DVDs.

Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
We're starting to get way off topic here.

What difference does it make what *I* think, Thinker? A person of no special consequence or significance?

You are drawing a false dichotomy here, where people either believe in these advanced spiritual concepts or they are "critical-thinkers", but no one with "critical thinking" skills is allowed to Believe.

you're constantly putting words in my mouth. And as soon you cant answer a question or challenge an argument: you either change the subject or turn to mindless rants alá Greer. It makes no difference to me what you think, MrDstrbr; it bugs me however when you cant differentiate belief and truth when the two are not the same. I'm not challenging "advanced spiritual concepts", because I have insights in that field (and actually knows more about it then what Steven Copy-Cat Greer says) - I challenge Greers personal credibility. How about that levitation, MrDstbr? I've gotten off my chest what i've wanted to say and further discussion is pointless.

When you get proof of Greers levitation, PM me and I'll come here and apologize to you. Until then, I'm not holding my breath

Originally posted by LogicalThinker
you're constantly putting words in my mouth. And as soon you cant answer a question or challenge an argument: you either change the subject or turn to mindless rants alá Greer.

This thread isn't about ME, Thinker! Nor my style of arguing.

And I'd be careful about calling my posts "mindless rants", as that could be construed by some people as a personal insult/attack

If you'd like to have a conversation or argument about ME, feel free to U2U me.

It makes no difference to me what you think, MrDstrbr;

The feeling is quite mutual!

it bugs me however when you cant differentiate belief and truth when the two are not the same.

How do you know I can't? Are you an expert on all the Truths of the universe?

I'm not challenging "advanced spiritual concepts", because I have insights in that field (and actually knows more about it then what Steven Copy-Cat Greer says) - I challenge Greers personal credibility.

So do lots of people. Congratulations on joining the club!

How about that levitation, MrDstbr? I've gotten off my chest what i've wanted to say and further discussion is pointless.

I think you're right about that.

When you get proof of Greers levitation, PM me and I'll come here and apologize to you. Until then, I'm not holding my breath

It's not my job to prove Greers levitation to you, Thinker.

You accused me of being Greer's, and Stone's, "yes-man".

I'm simply trying to point out that there is a very broad base of supporting evidence, spanning thousands of years and thousands of people, to support some of these concepts - remote viewing, telepathy, precognition, levitation, telekinesis etc.

Believe it, or not, it makes no difference to me. It's your loss if you don't.

I'm sorry if I was rude.. I get a little to passionate sometimes. Peace

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It's all good, LogicalThinker.

A lot of people don't understand why I'm so supportive of Greer.

Part of it is because, I have talked openly about some of these concepts here where I live - and faced a backlash of malicious gossip, ridicule, tauntings, harassment etc as a result. It has been terribly difficult to deal with, to say the least!

So when Greer says in "Hidden Truth" that he has been harassed and badgered and threatened constantly since 1990 - it's really true!

It takes tremendous, tremendous courage, willpower and integrity to do what Greer has done and step onto the international stage and speak openly about all these things, in the face of constant, intense ridicule and harassment and persecution. Most people don't have even the slightest clue! They just join the club and ridicule him like everyone else....

I respect Greer for the courage and leadership he has shown, even if he and CSETI have made some glaring PR mistakes They're only human, after all....

I back you 200%

Here is what steven greer thinks of the fox npc conference.

www.zpenergy.com...

There are fortunately some very smart and pro guys in the field like him and stanton friedman.