Is the whole "F.A.S.T." Interstellar project a hoax? Some evidence provided here

How about this one?



It has two full length solar panels when viewed from the other side... and its pretty big too... I wonder what the other one behind it is though...

(and who took the photo)

Originally posted by stikkinikki
reply to post by ngchunter

 

Sorry but you are wrong. The pictures were taken with a fuji F480 8.1 MP digital camera and then zoomed in on the computer. They were taken North of Mount Washington in very clear air in early October.
Here is another photo that I have zoomed in on. No it was not drizzling.

[edit on 22-12-2007 by stikkinikki]

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Here is the first image I posted of the ISS zoomed way in. Hopefully the pic is big enough that you can see that there are indeed different colors and the background stars are visible as smaller blurs.

[edit on 22-12-2007 by stikkinikki]

I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Those aren't stars, that's noise in the image. The ISS is a streak, it should be a point light source to any regular camera properly tracking it, even at 8 megapixels. There is just no way to get the arcsecond resolution required to make out the ISS from that kind of setup. If you could, you could also easily see the rings of saturn. Try to take a picture of saturn and see what you get.

“…He got a few 'welcome to ATS' howdy-doos & then like a pack of wolves, moderators included, you viciously attacked the man, have tried to discredit him, and went as far as to slander him & his incredible contribution to the field of Ufology ..”
but, that’s not possible,mr tiangle; the moderators would have been all over the “ dogs” like that in a flash!!!*************


read this..
UFO Forum READ BEFORE Posting **02/18/2007 UPDATE*** BY SPRINGER
“..While "slugging it out" over what is and is not a real UFO may be an admirable trait in some quarters it's not happening here. This site is not for the dog eat dog CRAP we see almost everywhere else in the UFO "field" ...

The civil and courteous discussion of ideas, sightings, reports, beliefs, opinions and stories is what this forum is for. It is NOT a bully pulpit for or against the potential reality of aliens from extraterrestrial origin.

Whenever we catch someone attempting to hoax this community we ban them straight away. By "hoaxing" I mean imparting information as fact when it is impossible to back it up in the hope of convincing people to act or support the information in some overt way.

That is NOT the same as presenting your life experience or opinions/beliefs on the subject as just that, your opinions, beliefs and experiences and I will not tolerate ANYONE getting rude or acting uncivil toward those who would share these things with our community.

If the Members don't want to read the information they won't and the thread will die, we do NOT need some sort of self appointed vigilante group policing threads on ATS, we have a great staff that handles that business for us…”

******************* was that a joke? I’ve never seem a more blatant assault by a pack of vultures, who (the bulk of, and whom I am refering to), had no intention of being open and impatial, and had only one intention.
and that thread from the word go, was the best example of this being seemingly a lie of a statement.

And, in my honest opinion, the moderators were a lax, (and at times seemingly biased).
(I just the statement read it again. Was it a joke?? or just cheap window dressing?)


and as for Jose not being particularly interested in the ATS points system, i'd say you are right.
i myself see my -3000 as a badge of honour. and happy to make it more at the drop of a hat.
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(and if it was me recieving all that abuse, i would of... )

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and iohen, i think your recent comment on this matter was seemingly unbiased, forthright, and honestly, most appreciated.

(and love the ‘boss’ cat



[edit on 23/12/2007 by livo74]

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To be fair, the staff did start implementing stricter moderating policies against "uncivil" posts, so that's one good thing that came out of JE's brief stay here, at least....

It just sucks that he got himself banned just when he was starting to upload evidence for us like he promised.....

Originally posted by Europa733
Hello everyone,

I'll just say 2 things :

NGChunter for President

Trying to duplicate the videos is going to be much harder or impossible. There are so many ways to actually "screw" what you're filming thru a telescope that even trying is almost a nonsense and will probably lead to a dead end. In other words, people could always try but if they do not succeed it doesn't mean that the videos are showing the objects like they are supposed to look like in reality.

I verified what I have just said with quiet a few people involved in astrophotography and NGChunter might confirm this as well.

This needed to be said before we can move on.

Peace




[edit on 22-12-2007 by Europa733]

Thanks for the compliments! I agree that duplicating his videos would be exceedingly difficult not knowing exactly what he was using. I wonder if you could get strange looking stuff like that by pointing at very distant ground light sources, either arranged to look odd in the dark, or at such a distance and low magnification that it just looks odd. Something for me to try next time I get my scope set up. I like a challenge, especially an astronomy related challenge. Nothing would satisfy me more than to duplicate these odd results, either by proving that they're satellites of some sort or a complete hoax, and either way I'll just be happy to have the case settled once and for all.

I'm 100% sure that one of the images of supposed "spacecraft" he briefly "flashes" in a compilation video is nothing more than a star that's completely out of focus; it's a classic "donut shape" produced by the reflection of a Schmidt-Cassegrain's mirror. It's seen at 3:37, 3:38, and an overexposed version at 9:31 in this video; youtube.com...
Not sure if it's featured in an entire video of its own or not. That part is certainly a "hoax," regardless of what the other stuff is or is not.

am glad to hear somehing good may of come out of it, mr d.

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Not correct... We had to implement strict enforcement in the 9/11 forum, after doing that we realized it would be good across the board.

To say the "Mods were slacking" during that drama bomb is a pure insult. It IS the Holidays we do have LIVES and the VOLUNTEER staff shouldn't have to babysit people who AGREED to act a certain way when they joined.

If you want to keep up with Jose he has a site, follow his exploits there and stop trying to put other people's BAD behavior on the staff's plate. It's called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, we gave Jose EVERY break in the book, and we did the best we could trying to keep the uncivil critics from getting out of hand.

Bottom line is that based on the preponderance of the EVIDENCE the man tries to present moths, bees and other insects along with over exposed stars and satellites as UFOs on video, he's going to have a hard job to do ANYWHERE critical thought is employed.

We gave him specific instructions on how to keep his account privileges here and he failed to do it, he didn't even ask for an extension, which I would have given him, not only that he threatened one of our members with physical harm. THAT doesn't happen here PERIOD.

Springer...

reply to post by Springer


Understood Springer.

As I said, it just sucks that he got himself banned right when he was just starting to upload evidence for us like he kept promising.

I wish he would have waited to start threatening people until AFTER he was done uploading evidence

Ah well.... life goes on....

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Good grief!

What a bloodbath this is turning out to be!

Can't we all just get along?

I'm done with this one. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays everyone! Vultures included!

Looks like crap to me guys, sorry.
Doesn't look like anything real to me, looks like a big ol' hoax.

Originally posted by ngchunter

Originally posted by Europa733
Hello everyone,

I'll just say 2 things :

NGChunter for President

Trying to duplicate the videos is going to be much harder or impossible. There are so many ways to actually "screw" what you're filming thru a telescope that even trying is almost a nonsense and will probably lead to a dead end. In other words, people could always try but if they do not succeed it doesn't mean that the videos are showing the objects like they are supposed to look like in reality.

I verified what I have just said with quiet a few people involved in astrophotography and NGChunter might confirm this as well.

This needed to be said before we can move on.

Peace




[edit on 22-12-2007 by Europa733]

Thanks for the compliments! I agree that duplicating his videos would be exceedingly difficult not knowing exactly what he was using. I wonder if you could get strange looking stuff like that by pointing at very distant ground light sources, either arranged to look odd in the dark, or at such a distance and low magnification that it just looks odd. Something for me to try next time I get my scope set up. I like a challenge, especially an astronomy related challenge. Nothing would satisfy me more than to duplicate these odd results, either by proving that they're satellites of some sort or a complete hoax, and either way I'll just be happy to have the case settled once and for all.

I'm 100% sure that one of the images of supposed "spacecraft" he briefly "flashes" in a compilation video is nothing more than a star that's completely out of focus; it's a classic "donut shape" produced by the reflection of a Schmidt-Cassegrain's mirror. It's seen at 3:37, 3:38, and an overexposed version at 9:31 in this video; youtube.com...
Not sure if it's featured in an entire video of its own or not. That part is certainly a "hoax," regardless of what the other stuff is or is not.

good work, ngchunter

when you look at the you tube video, you can clearly get the impression that the objects´ allover physical appeareance seems so ´ghostly´, strange just because of this optical effect.
That came to my mind when I saw it the fist time, just too unreal, artificial, phantasy-like.

besides, that dont ´debunk´theories about secret black space projects. that ones would be disguised better, my 5 ct.;-O

[edit on 24-12-2007 by anti72]

Hello,

To zorgon : Well, the Hubble telescope might be a better call as it is in LEO* but it's shape is not very weird at all.

kinda' off topic :

I could not resist, here is the best ISS & Atlantis photo I've seen so far :
blog.wired.com...
I quote : "Makes one wonder what certain military/government instruments can do in similar situations," Actually, we needn't wonder too much. The USAF's adaptive optics telescopes have apertures of 3.5 meters or a tad more and are designed to get close to diffraction-limited resolution in visible light. So at the range of this shuttle/ISS image, they'd be getting something like five or six centimeter resolution.

LEO : en.wikipedia.org...

I'll send the bliptv videos to the French Air Force and to the ESA (European Space Agency) just to see what they think about it. I know this all story sounds like a joke and all the red lights are flashing but I cannot resist.


Peace and Merry Christmas,

My apologies to Jose Escamilla, I forgive him for his threat and I hope he will forgive me as well for my insult. We are just humans and Ufology is our common "love", that's the main reason why it got out of hands.

Originally posted by Europa733
My apologies to Jose Escamilla, I forgive him for his threat and I hope he will forgive me as well for my insult. We are just humans and Ufology is our common "love", that's the main reason why it got out of hands.

Props for that, Europa733. Not many have the courage and grace to make a public apology like that

To all that are wondering....It is me that Jose's threats were against. He made physically threats not only to me but as well as my children. What kind of person makes threats against children. He also made threats to against my I.P. address. I.E. tracking me down and finding out where I live. When you work within the I.P. industry, as Jose does, that is not a wise move.

So no! Jose will not be getting a public agology from me. The proper authourities have been notified. Criminal complaits have been made against Jose and his entities. He will be contacted by them in a timely fashion.

The reason I have done this is because you never know how far someone is willing to take things until it becomes to late. I may have been negative towards him from the beginning about Interstellar and all within the t&c's, but I didn't take it as far as he did.

I can state this all as truth as the 3 Amigos know this to be the case.

[edit on 24-12-2007 by gauncents]

[edit on 24-12-2007 by gauncents]

Can anyone propose how the videos were hoaxed if indeed they were? Putting aside CGI, which may be the most obvious choice, I would consider the possibilty that these videos are in fact of diatoms and other microscopic "thingys". The way they float across the screen reminds me of things in space and things seen under a microscope.

I'm kind of persistant but I try not to be disruptive. Hopefully I don't have to change my av to the rollie eyes emoticon.

reply to post by stikkinikki


I would like to comment on how they (spaceships) float.

It really seem they are floating in space. The direction and speed of their movements is constant and the telescope has to be constantly re-adjusted, I think manually. The servos can be heard on some ocassions and it really looks like a manuall adjustements, since the automatic tracking would try to keep the object in the center and would move continiously with the object.

This also speaks for the credibility of the technicque that was used to produce the vidoes (not talking about the actual content), which seems genuine.

This is a picture from Episode 36, it show the software, which is being used by JLW, I am not familiar with it or don't know if it's a specialized program for astronomers, but someone else here might know


I am also trying to find out the scene where JLW is moving from the telescope live monitor to his PC monitor, or the other wy around, but am having no luck finding it. Can someone help? I could take a closer look at the screenshots, maybe figure something out.

Take care, y'all

Even that this is stamped as a hoax, i still find interest in the technique that would be required to make a thing like this.

The implications of a device being able to track and film space objects seems like going from a bestseller at christmas to a pain in the ase for high brass millitary.

but the proposed technique seems likely to be able to do something, -imagine, the "lucky" technique is based on taking as many frames as possible of an object and using advanced computer software to illiminate the distordance of the atmosphere. i read some specs about HD cams, one of them, a japaneese, had 79.000 ANSI, a ccd computer card capeable of receiving 100 fps would be able to capture from a specially engineered telescope.

there was posted a link to a club for this kind of technique, dont have it on this computer, but its interesting how this lucky technique is being used and if so, what are the results, do they seem to find strange things up there, and is it possible to make live streaming video of space if the technique is perfected.. breing down the distordance of the atmosphere to a fraction, and doing this with basicly using some gaffatape a computer pci card and some split apart survailance/web -cams.

still i think the computer software is the trick to make good graphic video, the program could be receiving 100 or 1000 of frames per second be able to revert the effect of blurring, choosing only clear shots and by laying images on top of each other.

i do belive that the Abovespaceandtime evidence has same flaws, one film shows an alien inside a spacecraft, that must be level 10 or they have been spiced up to sat the least, actually i have watched many of gridkeepers movies to try to find out a little, its easy to label it a hoax, this is because its very hard to verify, but it seems strange that a man told about the same kind of things in that area of the sky in 2004, (it was in other thread, sorry im new, cant link yet) Could someone with a telescope and some CLEAR SKY please point it at Arkturus and look for something which looks almost like a normal star...

would be nice to be able to say nothing is up there..
but i guess most of the people in here have seen theirs,
so for many anything is possible,
and you sometimes have to get hoaxed even its a waste of time.

its a good story though, stuff for a bestseller right there just by reading the 100 pages of different threads, the end is a bit boring, well its not over yet, but sad the main players have left the discussion,

Is somebody in this forum experimenting with the Lucky technique which makes is all possible (or some of it at least) ?

But i guess this thread is made only for proving the hoax, sad not to keep the discussion alive, i think the comet holmes video by F.A.S.T was real, with the object in front and all, that comet looked like an airplane headlight, it was very bright and looked somehow unnatural

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i think it was one of the early ones,
and i hope you've got fast broadband

abovespaceandtime.blip.tv...

from
'i was not, here, you did not see me,
and this was just a dream'.